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WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:07 am

WestJet Announces Additional United States Destinations!


JULY 6, 2004 - 11:00:10 ET
CALGARY, ALBERTA--(CCNMatthews - Jul 6, 2004) - WestJet today announced
the addition of three new cities in the United States to its network:
Tampa, Florida; New York, New York; and Palm Springs, California.

WestJet will begin non-stop service between Toronto and Tampa, and
Toronto and New York in fall 2004. WestJet will begin non-stop service
between Calgary and Palm Springs in January 2005.

WestJet will also begin non-stop service between Toronto and Orlando,
and Toronto and Fort Lauderdale in October 2004, and non-stop service
between Vancouver and Los Angeles in December 2004.

- Effective September 20, 2004, WestJet will offer 12 non-stop flights
per week in each direction between Toronto and New York (LaGuardia) with
low introductory one-way fares of $49.

- Effective October 1, 2004, WestJet will offer six non-stop flights per
week in each direction between Toronto and Orlando with low introductory
one-way fares of $59.

- Effective October 31, 2004, WestJet will offer four non-stop flights
per week in each direction between Toronto and Fort Lauderdale with low
introductory one-way fares of $59.

- Effective October 31, 2004, WestJet will offer four non-stop flights
per week in each direction between Toronto and Tampa with low
introductory one-way fares of $59.

- Effective December 19, 2004, WestJet will offer six non-stop flights
per week in each direction between Vancouver and Los Angeles with low
introductory one-way fares of $69.

- Effective January 7, 2005, WestJet will offer two non-stop flights per
week in each direction between Calgary and Palm Springs with low
introductory one-way fares of $59.

Introductory fares are available for sale until July 12, 2004 for travel
between the launch of service and December 15, 2004 to New York, Tampa,
Fort Lauderdale, and Orlando. Introductory fares are available for sale
until July 12, 2004 for travel between the launch of service and
February 28, 2005 to Palm Springs and Los Angeles. Seats at these fares
are limited and some restrictions apply. Connections to destinations in
the United States are available through Calgary and Toronto from most
WestJet Canadian destinations.

Clive Beddoe, WestJet's President and CEO, said today, "I am very
pleased to announce the second phase of our transborder schedule launch
which includes service between the major Canadian and American business
centres of Toronto and New York. The support of our initial phase of our
U.S. market launch, which includes flights to San Francisco, Los
Angeles, Phoenix, Orlando, and Fort Lauderdale, has been outstanding
with Canadians taking advantage of the opportunity to fly their airline
of choice, with low fares, to many great sunshine destinations.

"These new destinations will enhance the scope of our operations as
we strive to be the airline of choice for low fare, comfortable, fun
service between Canada and the U.S.A."

Details of WestJet's new transborder schedule and fares are available on
www.westjet.com and flights can be booked today. A complete list of
WestJet's schedule changes is available in the accompanying New Schedule
Backgrounder.

In conjunction with these schedule changes, WestJet will be also be
increasing frequencies on many routes in its existing transborder and
domestic route network.
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:14 am

LGA! YEAH YEAH YEAH...
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:48 am

- Effective October 31, 2004, WestJet will offer four non-stop flights
per week in each direction between Toronto and Fort Lauderdale with low
introductory one-way fares of $59.

This is very good for 4 pre weekly service from YYZ-FLL and would be good with WS. I am sure will competition of AC already service to FLL, right?
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:05 am

Excellent! Competition against AC is always good.

This renders AC's recent business plan outdated and inaccurate for any revenue/yield projections on these routes, particularly YYZ-LGA.

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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:22 am

With destination like Tampa, Orlando, Ft Lauderdale, Palm Springs it looks like WJ is entering full speed into the leisure market. I wish then good luck although I think they are stretching themselves a little too much.

I was hoping to see more like Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton to Chicago/New York/Denver/Boston/Minneapolis/Washington.

Everyone seem to have Toronto on sharp focus these days !




 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:56 am

I know LGA is preferred for the shorter business routes, but I figured some airline would eventually give YYZ-JFK a go. Esp. since LGA has 3 other airlines operating this route.
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:29 am

I was hoping to see something out of YEG, especially to SFO,LAX and maybe ORD. And also YVR-SFO, PHX and ORD, too.

You can bet that YEG's airport authority will harp at WestJet to put in a nonstop transborder route or two out of YEG, preferably to the US airports I mentioned. Especially when AC doesn't give a rat's ass about YEG and America West's CRJ-700/900s not being exactly a popular aircraft with passengers comfort-wise on long routes over 2 hours.
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:33 am

Can anyone confirm that they actually have the LGA slots...12 is an a lot...
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:30 am

Wonder when they will open up YYZ-LAS?
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:39 am

Can anyone confirm that they actually have the LGA slots...12 is an a lot... K

I was wondering that also Slawko. They had applied for 12 daily slots (sufficient for 6 daily flights) but I heard no word on whether they have been approved.


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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:58 am

Well since they are selling seats on the above mentioned flights, you can that they have the slots to operate them! lol  Smile
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:14 am

HAHA You would think, but I would be surprised if they got 12 slots, or any yet for that matter. Remember Canada World a few years back? They started to sell tickets without an OC.
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:18 am

Guys,

Read it again......

Effective September 20, 2004, WestJet will offer 12 non-stop flights
per week in each direction between Toronto and New York (LaGuardia) with
low introductory one-way fares of $49.


It's 12 flights per WEEK, not per DAY. I would imagine each flight operates 6X per week, with alternating SATs and SUNs off.
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:37 am

It's 12 flights per WEEK, not per DAY. I would imagine each flight operates 6X per week, with alternating SATs and SUNs off.

Yes, we know that. Westjet still applied for 12 DAILY slots to LGA, enough for 6 dailies.

It appears they have only been granted 12 weekly slots, or have chosen to commence LGA ops with fewer than 6 dailies.


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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:42 am

I went to their web site and tried to book travel from LGA-YYZ, but it doesn't give me an option to originate my travel in the U.S.

Is it me, am I crazy,or is there a problem?

 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:15 am

That's a good question Spinkid... I would try calling our sales centre and see if they can't help you.
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:15 am

Where does it say LGA? All I read is 'New York' which could also mean JFK or EWR.

Why does this stupid spell checker always suggest 'egotist' as a replacement for WestJet? I could understand it being offered as a substitute for 'Beddoes' Big grin
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:52 am

This renders AC's recent business plan outdated and inaccurate for any revenue/yield projections on these routes, particularly YYZ-LGA.

How do you know what provisions are included in AC's business plan regarding additional competition over the next few years?

As for YYZ-New York/Newark, there are currently about 30 flights a day each way, of which AC/Jazz has about a dozen. I can't see WS's 2 flights a day having much of an impact.

 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:56 am

Okay, does anyone else think that Westjet is starting to spread itself a little thin here? Getting a little to big for its britches? They're going head to head with Jetsgo, Canjet and of course Air Canada on A LOT of routes now. I don't think we'll see the level of growth/yield that we've been used. Not that I'm 'anti-Westjet'...............it's just I don't think all this expansion by the Canadian airlines is sustainable.
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:04 pm

To all of you Edmontonians....

Please boycott WestJet. Edmonton has been supportung Westjet ever since its inception. The new schedules keep coming out and Edmonton has not seen anything for years from WestJet.

Everything is out of Calgary and Toronto.....

I just flew WestJet (YYZ-YEG) and back last week. For the price that is higher than Air Canada, not woth the support anymore.....
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:12 pm

Yegbey01 Westjet is based out of Calgary and Toronto that's why everything is out of there, yes, true there might be a demand for flights from Edmonton to the new US destinations but the airline would make more money if they route flights to the US through either Calgary or Toronto. And I am sure that people in Regina or even Winnipeg are saying the same thing about there cities about being left out of this don't just think that this is just an Edmonton problem.
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:24 pm

Fiedman-WS is based out of Calgary only. YYZ is their eastern hub, but not a base.

I think the routes make sense. After all, they are in business to make money, and if the money is from YYZ then good for them for recognizing that and going after it.

I'm glad to see them on the YVR-LAX run. By a rough count (from the YVR website), that makes 101 flights per week each way between YVR and LAX.
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:47 pm

As for YYZ-New York/Newark, there are currently about 30 flights a day each way, of which AC/Jazz has about a dozen. I can't see WS's 2 flights a day having much of an impact.

It's a foothold in the market, from which Westjet will grow.

Where does it say LGA? All I read is 'New York' which could also mean JFK or EWR.

In the press release: Effective September 20, 2004, WestJet will offer 12 non-stop flights per week in each direction between Toronto and New York (LaGuardia) with low introductory one-way fares of $49.

Okay, does anyone else think that Westjet is starting to spread itself a little thin here? Getting a little to big for its britches? They're going head to head with Jetsgo, Canjet and of course Air Canada on A LOT of routes now. I don't think we'll see the level of growth/yield that we've been used. Not that I'm 'anti-Westjet'...............it's just I don't think all this expansion by the Canadian airlines is sustainable.

I'll agree with you when WS start losing money. If any airline is spread thin, it's AC -- AC is bankrupt and close to liquidation.

Please boycott WestJet. Edmonton has been supportung Westjet ever since its inception. The new schedules keep coming out and Edmonton has not seen anything for years from WestJet.

So, you're saying that WS needs to be taught a lesson? That WS is somehow deliberately avoiding YEG expansion? Nonsense. It's based on market demand. When YEG warrants addl service, WS will provide it. The market place may not be pretty to home-town advocates, but it does rule.

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Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:39 pm

HEHE Looks like a YULvsYYZ war is starting out west too!!! GO CALGARY!!!  Big grin
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Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:55 pm

Just read the news in the Tampa Tribune about WestJet coming into TPA. I love to see new airlines come into TPA just wish we could get something larger than the 767's and single BA 777. Oh, forgot the daily Fed Ex DC-10.

Even before the Lightning played Calgary for the Stanley Cup, I wanted t make a trip out there. On TV, pictures, etc, Calgary looks like a beautiful place to visit. I have yet to step foot in Canada and hope that Calgary will be the first place there to visit.

Maybe one day there could be enough volume for a non-stop TPA-YYC.

Thanks WestJet, hope we in TPA can make it worth your efforts here.
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Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:19 pm

Cool! Love to see WestJet into LGA. Anybody knows if it will be then possible to fly Coast to Coast say LGA to LAX on West Jet via Canada with fares similar to Southwest or JetBlue? Thank you in advance for answering.
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:23 am

As much as I also would like to see some direct flights out of YEG to the US destinations, I understand why there isn't any. Any major airline will work a system of hubs, and unfortunately YEG is not a hub for Westjet. Yes, Edmonton definitely has the population to support the flights (just under 1 million in the metro area), but it makes no financial sense for Westjet to have two hubs so close to one another. As annoying is it will be, all us Edmontonians will have to connect through YYC, YVR or YYZ - if we want to travel on Westjet to the US. I'll still fly on Westjet, despite YEG being overlooked....
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:53 am

One has to remember that WS's main hubs are YYC and YYZ, so it's going to take time for YEG to get any new nonstops. I know the demand's out there in YEG, as Edmonton metro has actually gone over 1 million now and is doing very well economically. Otherwise HP would not have bothered to fly into YEG from LAX and PHX (rumour has it that HP may upgrade the equipment to PHX from the CRJ-900 to the A319). I'd still bet on new nonstops to SFO or LAX.

I know some people who have been burned by AC to the point where they'll boycott AC outright or only fly it if they have no choice, despite WS's fares being often higher than AC's. My sister is one of them. With AC's service reputation going down the crapper, it'd be way harder to get people to boycott WestJet.
 
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Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:43 am

Not that I'm 'anti-Westjet'...............it's just I don't think all this expansion by the Canadian airlines is sustainable.

Growth by Canadian carriers is not sustainable, and one's bubble will burst, most likely in this winter or spring. Domestic capacity alone is up 20% year-over-year. Three out of four airlines are also raising fares to increase yield, I wonder who the forth one is??
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:43 am

Thought I'd add that our bookings for all of our destinations has been absolutely PHENOMINAL! Our Sales Center is being swamped with calls out our transborder service. Just hope there's room for me to get on standby.  Smile
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Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:11 am

Growth by Canadian carriers is not sustainable, and one's bubble will burst, most likely in this winter or spring. Domestic capacity alone is up 20% year-over-year.

LCC's tend to create more traffic because the low fares generate more business. I would say that SG's and WS's business models are more sound that AC's -- AC is bankrupt, the LCC's are not.

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Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:29 am

There is a lot of capacity being added into the market.

Westjet is adding 11 aircraft next year with options on 45 more.
Jetsgo is still adding F100's and who knows what else.
Canjet is adding 20 new aircraft, but I've yet to see anything else on that.
Air Canada is adding 90 RJ's.

Eventually the market will become so saturated that yields and load factor will be terrible. Carriers will start to lose money, and yes, that may include Westjet. It will then become a who-has-deeper-pockets game. Personally, and this is only my opinion, Jetsgo and Canjet are the two carriers which could potentially be the first to go.

Air Canada at least has the international market to subsidize its losses in the domestic market, but Westjet, Jetsgo, and Canjet do not (at least not to the extent AC does). This summer is going to be great for all carriers, even Air Canada. However, once the season is over its going to be a rough winter IMO. I applaud my companies decision to launch transborder service to sun destinations and expand its charter program. We can reduce capacity on over-served or seasonal routes during the winter and redeploy it on transborder routes which will attract travellers willing to escape the cold winters in Canada.
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:17 am

In the press release: Effective September 20, 2004, WestJet will offer 12 non-stop flights per week in each direction between Toronto and New York (LaGuardia) with low introductory one-way fares of $49.

Thanks Yyz717, I must be going blind  Smile
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:10 pm

Air Canada at least has the international market to subsidize its losses in the domestic market

If true, this is a poor strategy. All markets should pull their own weight.

This summer is going to be great for all carriers

Given that AC is now facing LCC competition on its top 2 routes (YYZ-YUL/YOW) for the 1st time, I'd say this will be a terrible summer for AC, indeed perhaps its last summer ever.

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Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:47 pm

Just like in the YYZ-YUL-YOW triangle, I don't believe Westjet will really create a dent in AC's business on trans-border routes. Incidentally, Westjet has just cut its frequencies on the triangle due to low sales. Air Canada, with its frequencies, plus incomparable services beyond YYZ and other hubs onwards on the Star Alliance network, will continue to capture the majority of the trans-border business I believe.

That is not to say that Westjet, and the other LCC's can't find a niche, and perhaps even stimulate some additional demand with lower fares, plus also put some further strain on Air Canada's yields. But I truly don't see in the near future Air Canada's trans-border business suffering too much in the process.
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:09 pm

Air Canada, with its frequencies, plus incomparable services beyond YYZ and other hubs onwards on the Star Alliance network, will continue to capture the majority of the trans-border business I believe.

It's a profit game, not a market share game.

But I truly don't see in the near future Air Canada's trans-border business suffering too much in the process.

I do. WS will eat steeply into AC yields on US routes, as will SG which continues to expand. Both SG and WS have more aircraft on order than they have in their current fleets. They are gunning for AC, and they will win.

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Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:28 pm

It's a profit game, not a market share game.

I agree Neil, however I still believe the LCC's at least in the near term will be filling their own niches, rather than making AC rethink their strategies. AC is still seemingly performing well on the triangle, although I don't have inside info to back that up, and none of us do (right?). But with Westjet pulling back, Jetsgo flying 160 aircraft with often 20 seats filled, and AC still flying the triangle with solid loads, so far the LCC's aren't exactly eating into Air Canada's core markets. I truly believe the same will happen with trans-border routes, especially with so few frequencies, and little else to offer.

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Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:41 pm

This is outstanding news! $59 to YYZ from FLL and getting to see WestJet on a regular basis only 30 min. away!
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:50 pm

Effective January 7, 2005, WestJet will offer two non-stop flights per
week in each direction between Calgary and Palm Springs with low
introductory one-way fares of $59.


I know it's only twice a week, but is there really enough people that want to go to Canada from PSP? The reason people live in PSP is because it's hot and there is no snow in the winter, who wants to go to Canada that lives in PSP during Winter?
 
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RE: WestJet Announces Add'l USA Destinations

Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:52 pm

Lots of Canadians live in Palm Springs and the surrounding areas. The will do well on that run.