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AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:08 am

AvCraft says that it is in sales discussions with 50 customers for 275 328Jets and Envoys. The manufacturer hopes to attain 50-60 sales in the next nine months as well as a major announcement at FI'04.

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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:10 am

Why would anyone buy a slow 328JET when they can by ERJs and CRJs?
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:14 am

Size? Mission requirements? Price? Performance? Support? Embraer and Bombraer are only interested in selling their expensive 70/90/100-seaters and no longer their small 30-50 seater. AvCraft does it, and it seems with quite some success. Besides, since when is speed the only criteria?

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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:38 am

I would think that the 328Jets could be delived with much less lead time than the Embraer or Bombardier products. This might prove attractive to prospective customers.
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:03 am

"Embraer and Bombraer are only interested in selling their expensive 70/90/100-seaters and no longer their small 30-50 seater."

Excuse me but your statement is incorrect for the most basic of reasons -- profit. In the case of BBD, the CRJ200 is the most profitable of the 3 RJs they manufacture.


"...with much less lead time than the Embraer or Bombardier products."

Actually, this is not true. Bombardier, for example, has dropped the CRJ200 production rate from 152 last year to around 100 this year, and estimates only 70-80 deliveries next year. There is TONS of capacity for an earlier delivery.
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:03 am

What is the list price for a 328Jet? I imagine its only DIRECT competitor would be the ERJ 135. How much is an ERJ 135? Is there any economic incentive in choosing the 328Jet over the ERJ 135 or vice versa?
 
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:34 am

List price for the 328JET is around 11 million USD, depending on the source, the ERJ-135 is around 14 million USD, again depending on the source.

@ Planemaker: I correct my statement into "Embraer is only interested in selling their large jets", that fits better. We all know that the only direct jet competitor is the ERJ-135, and not the CRJ440.

Anyone willing to speculate a bit about some of these customers? I´m willing to bet on at least one Australian and one New Zealand customer.

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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:40 am

This is interesting. I'm very fond of the 328JET and AvCraft's top notch Top Cub.
 
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:24 am

Would any of those be US deliveries?
 
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:21 pm

Do you mean Air NZ's Saab 340 replacement by any chance?
 
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:36 pm


VLM Maybe ?

The F50 is a good aircraft but not exactly the youngest around is it ?
 
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:42 pm

Operating cost wise, do the 328JET aircraft compete closer with the EMB-120 or ERJ-135?

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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:18 pm

The reason why airlines would want a 328 Jet over a quicker ERJ-135 because its a better turboprop replacement. The 328Jet can fly to airports that the ERJ cannot because the 328Jet doesn't need as much runway to take off and land on.

For example, when Comair retired their Emb-120s out of CVG, Delta Connection used the ACA 328Jets to replace the Comair E120s.
 
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RE: AvCraft In Talks About 275 328JET!

Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:43 am

@777236ER

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Speed is not the only important thing. You must also take things into consideration such as take off performance, Economics,and capacity. If a market only warrants a 30 seater then why use a 50 seater?

That is just my 2 cents

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