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PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:26 am

Just read in the papers, that SIVA (Suriname International Victory Airline) a new airline to Suriname, will start up the lost route PBM - BRU. (Used to be flown by ITA (Inter Tropical Aviation).

They will lease an A310-300 from the Spanish Company "AirPlus Comet". They want to start operations by the end of this month, but waiting on CASAS (Civil Aviation Safety Authority Suriname), for the "Foreign Operator Certificate" and other paper work for the A310-300 will have to be completed first before commencing operation.

I have flown this airline before on a sub charter route when CityBird still used to operate the MIA-BRU route. The actual 767 from Citybird broke down and they called in AirPlus Comet to operate the flight. Not too bad, but it could definetly be better, felt as if i was in a sardine can!!!

Good luck to this new airline, and hopefully no drop outs and bancrupty for this one.

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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:33 am

Here's their website:
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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:00 am

It seems that every month someone intends to start an airline in either Surinam or the Dutch Antilles. Unfortunatly, so far none have actually started (apart from DutchCarribeanExel, but that's jusat another Exel airline).

Personnaly, i think this will another dream by someone as the the airline is very late if they intend to start by the end of July (peak season for AMS-PBM has already started). Furthermore, none of the airlines operating the route have done so sucesfully.
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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:49 am

How big is the BRU-PBM market, i thought the Surinamese market was concentrated in and around Amsterdam. Are they planning on feeding the flights through BRU?
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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:57 am

So why setting it up in Brussels not Luxembourg, isn´t the cost to operate from Luxembourg less?
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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:20 pm

Hey Andrew,

Is the market really there for a PBM-BRU flight? Are they trying to capture the AMS market via BRU?

Oh well hopefully the service is "da bomb!" Big grin

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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:45 pm

I'm also a bit confused about the BRU connection. I thought Suriname had mostly connections with Holland (former colony, correct?) and not so much Belgium. Is there a significant Surinamese (?) community in Belgium, or is this somehow supposed to be cheaper/easier than AMS? Does KLM cuurently fly AMS-PBM? Sorry for my ignorance, still learning about these things.

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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:49 pm

Jean LeLoup, KLM operates B744 to Suriname from Holland, when I went this spring it was crammed. So there´s definitly a market, I think SLM (Suriname airlines, code-sharing with KLM) and KLM are the only airlines allowed to operate on the Suriname-Holland route. Belgium and Luxembourg are very close to Holland, Amsterdam to Brussels are about the same distance as
Montreal and Quebec, Brussels to Luxembourg also about the same distance.
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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:06 pm

hollnad has got aa lot of people from surinam. when i went top amsterdam i meet quite a few of them
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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:09 am


Because the bilateral air agreement between The Netherlands and Surinam allows only 2 operators to operate the route. One Dutch airline (KLM) and one Surinam airline (SLM). Both airlines possess exclusive route rights till the end of 2008, when the bilateral agreement expires and must be renegotiated.

Since both KLM and SLM charge excessive fares for roundtrip coach class tickets, some operators have tried and are trying to lure passengers from the Netherlands to drive / take a bus / take a train to BRU airport and fly from there to PBM. There is no feeder airline service from AMS to BRU. Only KLM operates the route with a Fokker 70 and they won't provide seats to SIVA for sure...

Unfortunately, BRU does not have the luxury of having a fast train service linking Amsterdam or any other Dutch city to the Belgian airport, unless passengers are connecting somewhere at one of the 3 Brussels main stations and then take the airport city express train to the airport. But this is one big joke, since the airport express takes about 20 to 40 minutes to get from downtown Brussels to the airport, while the distance is less than 15km. That train is so slow... always delayed and stops 4 or 5 times... and it has the lowest priority on schedule, it must give priority to Intercity or international trains using the tracks...

Other options are bus services or driving with your own car from Holland to BRU, but it adds to the overall cost of the travel and is very inconvenient.

There is almost no Surinam community in Belgium, so all the traffic must be generated from The Netherlands.

I wish SIVA good luck, but I'm afraid it's not gonna be successful, unless it is really managed well. Others have tried the PBM-BRU route before, but they all failed.

Anyway, it would be good to see a new long haul airline in BRU. We are missing them.

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RE: PBM(Suriname)-BRU With New Surinam Airline.

Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:33 pm

Kabila, You are so right, not much surinam relations in BRU. But my best guess is that the "Fare Illusion" will be working, and people trying to smuggle stuff out of PBM will also try something new.
If the flight is cheaper, people will use it. And the bus service that used to be there was pretty good. My sister flew with ITA (Inter Tropical Aviaiton) when they operated the route, and she had no problems and all was a smooth event going in to Holland.
ITA/Citybird, back then were actually really getting in there. The route became so well known that the then Citybird/ITA wanted to expand their flight schedule. The demand was there. (Especailly Peak season, which is now).
ITA went bankrupt because the airline it was using went under. They then decided to take another carrier in hand (One from Portugal i believe) but what happened?, the image of the whole airline was already ruined and cut into pieces. People did not trust the entire situation anymore. Delays from Hours became days and some even weeks. That is why it basically never worked.
One thing i do know is that once the operation from SIVA does start, it will take many many months to convince people that is it okay to fly the route. Too much trauma is still left on the route. People that flew the route, lost their jobs, lost more money, and people even passed away from it all, because ITA was stuck with Citybird's "Passing away/bankruptcy" situation.
Now, the Surinam government has a fund in place which the airline needs to set up with the government, in case such an event like that of ITA happens again.

Cheers and Once again good luck to the BRU route.
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