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How Do You Deliver A Plane

Fri Feb 18, 2000 11:59 am

I have a bit of a paradox here,

When Boeing, Airbus, Fokker, etc., builds a plane and roles it out - how does it get to the airline? I'd imagine they'd end up with a stranded pilot at one end or the other. Anyone who knows the official procedures (i.e. Are there 'Delivery Pilots'?), please let me know...

Many thanks!
 
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RE: How Do You Deliver A Plane

Fri Feb 18, 2000 12:13 pm

Stranded? Hehe, I doubt it. I'm sure there are several ways of delivery. Many times it is the customers pilot that is sent to "pick up" the plane, so no getting stranded there. Another way is for Boeing to send their own pilot to deliver the plane, where I would imagine the pilot is given a ride home (hopefully for free!) on the customer airline If the airline does not fly to the states, then I guess he jumps a flight on a regular commercial flight? Then again, with Boeing being so big, surely they have business jets flying around the world, maybe he can grab a seat on one of them if its convenient.

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Qantas....

Fri Feb 18, 2000 12:15 pm

G'day,

I cannot speak for other airlines nor of the present but rather several years ago.... Qantas....

Qantas dead headed crews up to Seattle and picked up the 747-400 or 767-300 and they would operate the aircraft back to Australia.

No one is being stuck anywhere considering there are flights back to where they came from in all instances.

Qantas was also the only airline that I knew which allowed paying passengers on the delivery aircraft... how do i know this... i did it twice.

I took two 747-400's in the mid nineties from vancouver which were 1 DAY OLD and the flight crew along with F/A's were Qantas.

Guess how much for a one way first class with a guaranteed return on a scheduled flight in economy....

ready for answer...

1200.00 Cad....

They did this to pay for the logistics and fuel.... makes alot of sence.... I WAS HAPPY!
 
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RE: How Do You Deliver A Plane

Fri Feb 18, 2000 2:56 pm

What about delivering turboprops or RJs with short ranges like the BAe 146? to North america from Europe or vice versa? Well, I think they go via Keflavik in Iceland, and possibly St. John's or Gander, NF or Shannon, Ireland.

This brings up an interesting question: how on earth did they ever deliver Dash 7s and other small turboprop planes to Hawaii? The 737-200, of which Aloha Airlines used to have, can only do this distance with a minimal payload. Hawaii is the most isolated archipelago in the world. And there is NOTHING between HI and the West Coast for any of these planes to island-hop on!


 
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RE: How Do You Deliver A Plane

Fri Feb 18, 2000 8:59 pm

Extra Fuel tanks, and/or lots of stops!  

Sammy
 
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RE: How Do You Deliver A Plane

Fri Feb 18, 2000 9:45 pm

I know DL sends regular pilots up to SEA to pick up A/C. Most of the time their families go with them, but paying passengers are not allowed since there are no flight attendants or safety equipment on board. QF probably pays Boeing extra to install fire extinguishers, megaphones, etc. The A/C is usually stocked from Boeing with one roll of toilet paper, one box of Kleenex, one bottle of Softsoap, several box lunches with cold sandwiches and potato chips , cases of sodas and...BEER (usually Heineken).
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Need Clarification

Sat Feb 19, 2000 12:55 am

to d1_mech,

just curious, when you mean the things the plane is stocked with, are you referring to Qantas?
 
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RE: How Do You Deliver A Plane

Sat Feb 19, 2000 1:26 am

Back in 1995 I played golf with a Canadian Airlines 747 captain in Richmond BC. He was living in Kelowna and had flown down on the weekend so he could head to Seattle on Monday morning to pick up a new 747 for Canadian. His task with the new plane was to fly it to London for painting??? I didn't ask him about it at that point but I wonder about that now? Why go to London? Anyway, he said he would fly back on a Canadian flight and then once the plane was painted he would fly back to London and pick it up, fly it back to Canada with no passengers to begin service. Does that make any sense at all?? Perhaps I have my facts confused.
 
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RE: How Do You Deliver A Plane

Sat Feb 19, 2000 1:58 am

He was probably flying to London to go to a paint shop. BA has one I think, and they occasionally would do (very ironically ) Virgin Atlantic's, but after BA left of the "NO WAY BA/AA" titles VS went to KLM in Amsterdam. So that's probably why he was going to London.

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RE: Need Clarification

Sat Feb 19, 2000 2:07 am

Sorry, I meant Delta Air Lines on their delivery flights from SEA. A delivery flight on QF from SEA to SYD with a few box lunches would be interesting.....(also one roll of TP)
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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RE: How Do You Deliver A Plane

Sat Feb 19, 2000 1:43 pm

There are no "official" procedures that are followed each and every acft delivery. I've flown 4 MD80 delivery flights for AA and each was different.

1. LGB-TUL by way of W291 (warning area off southern Calif. coast). Delayed 15 minutes in W291 to sign acceptance contract and hand over payment check in international airspace (low/no taxes), then non-stop to TUL.

2. LGB-TUL by way of Yuma, AZ. Passenger to Yuma with MDC pilots flying. Sign paperwork on Yuma ramp. Fly acft to TUL. Again, sales tax was quoted as reason.

3. LGB-TUL non-stop. Sign paperwork at LGB and fly non-stop to TUL. Late night departure so I didn't bother asking why the Calif. acceptance.

4. LGB-TUL non-stop. MDC pilots fly until out of Calif., then AA pilots take over. Paperwork signed outside Calif.

Haven't done any Boeing acceptance trips.
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RE: How Do You Deliver A Plane

Sat Feb 19, 2000 1:48 pm

As far as getting small planes across the Pacific Ocean...the key is to have as little as weight as possible. Sometimes extra fuel "bladders" are installed inside the aircraft giving it much greater range. These flights pose an added element of danger and most be carefully planned with special attention to wx.

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