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Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:38 am

For the first 6 months of 2004, Dubai and Beirut airports had grwoth rates of 27% and 29% respectively.

Just amazing!!
 
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:57 pm

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:00 pm

strong case for liberalization. imagine if RUH & JED & CAI had open skies. airlines would flood in. right now, countries are so terrified their inefficient carriers will be over-run that they don't see how much traffic they are missing out on.
 
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:00 am

That is very true AF022. Maybe they'll get the point at some stage.
 
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:01 am

I would say.. Let BEY get bigger and bigger. By the time, CAI, AMM and all the rest want to catch up, it will be too late...
 
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:58 pm

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:09 pm

Also note that the transiting passengers percentage is growing,a 32% increase mentioned in the article BA provided us with,absolutely stunning.It's not only because of MEA's presence that this number increased,but also the open skies policy which makes it possible to other carriers to operate a triangle route through BEY,such as BA(Bmed),JAT and others..

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:28 pm

i have to admit having flown bey and dxb.... bey airort is more friendly while dxb is more 'flashy'
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:52 pm

"I would say.. Let BEY get bigger and bigger. By the time, CAI, AMM and all the rest want to catch up, it will be too late..."

YegBey,

An open sky policy throughout the Middle East is considered equally beneficial for BEY and it cousins in the region. In fact, growth at airports such as AMM, CAI, KWI and RHU is crucial to BEY's long-term growth. If there's demand for flights on a particular route, let the market of demand and supply dictates. Also, I think there should be at least one joint carrier for the Middle East region. The region is in dire need for low cost carriers, which are believed to be the "growth engine" for many airports around the world...


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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:09 pm

EuroLeb

BEY is getting another new LCC serving it soon  Smile Keep your eyes out. more info though on when it'll be, once I hear more.

YegBey01

Want impressive growth figure for an airport in the Middle East?

KWI Jan-Jun 2004 41.8% increase in pax numbers over Jan-Jun 2003  Big thumbs up
This was in our papers earlier today. Made us pretty proud here to be probably the fastest growing Middle East airport for the this year.

(source: www.kuwait-airport.com.kw, click on public services to the top of the screen - though the site still only has Jan-may 04, and still didnt put in the June figures. June figures can be had from any online Kuwaiti paper).

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:25 pm

Sleak76,

I would be very surprised indeed if those figures for Kuwait Int. Airport are accurate. Kuwait is not very reported on in the press, and its national carrier is also not known to be a major growth player in the region. In fact, they look pretty stagnant since the mid 90s. Could you discuss where this traffic growth in KWI is coming from?

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Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:53 pm

KWI is currently experiencing major growth as a gateway to the country north.
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:22 pm

Could you discuss where this traffic growth in KWI is coming from?

Iraq.Pre-conflict the average room occupancy rate in Kuwaiti hotels was around 30%.It's currently around 80% from what I have read!
 
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:24 pm

Eurostar

Firstly, the source is the Kuwaiti Civil Aviation Authority, which supplies its firgures to the ICAO as well. So the figures are reputable and accurate and correct. Their figures (which they get from the airlines) are cross-checked with the Ministry of Interior's figures (since that Ministry handles KWI's passport control departure point). Once verified, the Civil Aviation makes a press release (monthly) with the numbers, and then posts them onto their website.

So rest assure that they are accurate and reliable to use.

Secondly, with regards to growth, I'll just quote you what the media have about Kuwait and its growth.. Here's some examples of new coverage:

Kuwait, March 2004: Results in a leading hospitality consultancy survey revealed this week that Kuwait City has jumped to top spot in worldwide rankings for hotel occupancy rates in 2003 – and achieved second place for revenue per available room (RevPAR) as well as third-place ranking for average room rate.
Source: http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2004_1st/Mar04_KuwaitCity.html

Starting March 2004, visitors from the US, Western Europe, Southeast Asia, Australia and New Zealand have obtained entry visas upon arrival to Kuwait; unlike previously when visas needed to be secured in advance. “With the implementation and ongoing improvement of the new visa scheme and the addition of relaxed foreign investment policies allowing 100 percent foreign ownership in tourism, Kuwait’s tourism industry stands to prosper.”
Source:http://www.travelwirenews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000004/000418-p.htm

Here's what Le Meridien had to say about Kuwait (and this was last year) and their reason for building 5 hotels over over a period of 3 years.
http://www.traveldailynews.com/new.asp?newid=13261

Another reason:
Foreign companies vying to do business in Iraq also started using Kuwait as a base or transit point, boosting demand for domestic goods and services. The increased sense of stability in Kuwait also served to improve the business environment domestically.
source: http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/34074.html

Aviation-wise:

KU isn't get much of this increase in passenger movement at KWI. June 2004 in fact, they got 49% of the passenger movement only. Usually, they average between 55-59%, not this time. Other airlines are getting lion share of KWI movement.

Most notably, aviation-wise, other airlines are responding to this growth at KWI by adjusting/introducing their schedules as follows:

British Airways - daily service 777 has changed during summer to become 4x 744 service. Also, withe BA's redirected flights into Saudi, they have chose KWI as their base to stop over all their saudi-bound flights (8 weekly) where their crew off-load here. Total BA arrivals 15 weekly into KWI (out of the 15, 12 flights have traffic rights to carry passengers LHR-KWI, but not KWI back to LHR).

Ariana (of Afghanistan) starts to Kuwait effective 19 July, 1x weekly. Second destination for them in the Gulf, after DXB.

Malaysian (MH) started services to Kuwait (July 2nd 04) on a 'temporary' basis (to test the market) flying 1x weekly KUL-KWI-DXB-KUL. Airbus 330.

Air France commenced KWI services 15th of June. After a 6 year absence. 3x weekly on their 'Dedicate' service (which uses the A.319)

Srilankan CMB-DXB-KWI and back used to be 5x then 6x and now daily service.

KLM from 4x weekly, went up to 5x and now they are at 6x weekly 767 services AMS-KWI-AMS.

Qatar Airways from 7x to 10x effective 5th of July 2004.

These are just thefromt he top of my head. For more info, log onto Kuwait-airport.com.kw for full flight schedules.

I'm sure these facts reflects the reality of the 40% passenger increase at Kuwait.

Finally, what Gulf Business wrote about Kuwait in their feature article in their June 2004 issue:
The resurgence of the Kuwait economy since the end of the Iraq War has been one of the most dramatic ever seen, says Omar Abdallah, head of equity research at Gulf Investment Corporation (GIC).
Full article: http://www.gulfbusiness.com/html/articleview.asp?cid=1142

However if you do have any further questions, by all means, pass them on. It's only fair to ask if one is unsure. I'm fully respective of that.

Afterall, should I not be living here myself and reading the daily economic news of the country and seeing all the growth here, I myself would be scpetical about that 40% increase figure.

Cheers & apologies for the long post. Guess it should just be seen as information backup.

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:57 pm

Correction

Kuwait Airport just published the first half year pax movement figures for 2004. The increase in numbers wasn't 42% (as I first wrote) but:

Jan-Jun 2004 increase over Jan-Jun 2003
Aircraft Movement +26%
Passengers Arriving 1,215,157 +37%
Passengers Departing 1,211,987 +32%
Total Passengers (A&D) 2,427,144 +34%
Freight (in metric tonnes) 78,265 +15%

So its 34% so far this year.
BAH at 22.7% for Jan-Jun 04 (which is also an impressive figure). Their June 04 growth alone over June 03 was just under 30%.

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:13 pm

Thanks for the numbers Sleak76. That's quite impressive.

About SriLankan Airlines, they are also planning to add 2 additional flights a week to KWI operating non-stop and then possibly continuing to BEY.

Getting back to Beirut International Airport, check out this article:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=3&article_id=6228

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:49 pm

BA

I sure hope they jump on the KWI-BEY route. It took me a good 4 weeks to get a confirmation from BEY back to KWI on the 30th of Aug. Flights are packed out of of BEY. I wanted ME), Brazil">MEA (and hoped it would be their A330 as I have yet to try that ME's 330's) but that day is scheduled at the 321 (which I already tried). Shame ME), Brazil">MEA only has one flight on the 30th, and not double-daily as is happening at the moment.

I'm hoping this changes (one flight on the 30th) come August, and they add a second as I hate my current booking (booked on the extra KU flight BEY-KWI, leaving BEY at 1135) and im totally not a morning person. The ME), Brazil">MEA and KU (normal, not extra) are both scheduled at around 1830! A more civilized hour for me but both are closed for further bookings. Just my luck!
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:17 pm

Very true Sleak76.

I have yet to try the MEA A330s as well, but I hear they are really nice. I was really impressed with their A321s. I hope you have a good trip.

Any news on Al-Jazeera Airways to Beirut? They will be nicely welcomed.

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:01 pm

Sleak76: I'm not a morning person either but an 1135 departure is not early! What's wrong with you?! If it was 0730 I'd sympathise, but having to be at the airport at 10.15am is not much of a hardship! (Nor, for that matter, is a flight on an MEA A321.) Do you ever make it in to work?
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:06 pm

The airline held their first board meeting two days ago (Monday) where the chairperson of the board was nominated. After that, they did a press release here saying they plan to start by the end of this year (though the airport authorities say they doubt they can be up and running that fast and they dont see it starting til March 2005). Then the board said that their still looking at either buying planes or simply leasing for the start-up period. And their final point was that their planned routes will inititally be the Gulf, Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan.

I was surprised they mentioned Jordan. I would have thought Syria as we have much more Syrian expats in Kuwait the Jordanian. But then again, they probably know something that I don't.

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:12 pm

Is Al-Jazeera set up yet? What's the story?
 
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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:31 pm

Sleak76,

Would you happen to know if there've been any changes in Kuwait's entry visa regulations concerning Jordanians?
My great-uncle lives in Kuwait and it's almost impossible to go visit him because it is (or was) extremely difficult for Jordanian citizens to obtain entry (ie. tourist) visas--even those who are residents of the GCC. It's much, much easier for my uncle to come visit my family (which he does every year) here in Abu Dhabi than it is for us to go to Kuwait. I've been to Kuwait once only, back in July 2000, and for that visit we had to wait FOUR months before our visas were approved--and that's with my uncle's 'waas6a'!

My mom has significant ties with Kuwait (lived there for a while; got her first job ever at Sabah Hospital; her father--if memory serves me correctly--helped found the Sundooq Al-Naqd Al-Kuwaiti...). I also have a couple of Kuwaiti friends whom I adore... It's a shame, though, that it's easier for me to enter the country with my US passport than it is for me or my mom to enter with our Jordanian ones!

C'est la vie , I suppose.

Anyway, proud to hear that the Arab aviation sector is more and more becoming a dominant force in the international arena!

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:10 pm

Taloush

You bring up a good point. It is easier to enter with an American passport than with an Arab passport to Kuwait. And I'm sure alot are aware why (think of Iraq War last year and how Kuwait became the least liked nation by the other Arab nations). As a result, when the government decided to open the visa restrictions, they decided that for now, they'll start with the 'friendly' countries. And that it's too early to let others in, for security reasons.

Their next step is to allow GCC residents (regardless of nationality) to enter without visa, as long as they hold a valid GCC residency. This hasn't been implemented yet. It's just the the next phase. I would think within the next 6-12 months, something would come to that effect.

As to those who would like to visit their relatives in Kuwait (as in your case), if you uncle is a legal resident, then he can always issue you a visit visa. He just needs to submit your passport photocopy to the ministry of interior (Hijra Department) and it'll take 5-7 days till they issue a visa. This would be the only option, at least until Kuwait decides to open up the system to other Arabs/GCC residents. Though, I'm curious: wasn't he able to issue you with a visa?

(ps. the tight regulations against Jordan has been eased, somewhat.. So it shouldn't be as hard now as it was before).

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RE: Dubai And Beirut... A Story Of Growth

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:18 pm

Cedarjet

And I'm glad to see to read that 1135 is convenient for you. But I personally perfer 1500 and after. That pretty much gives me the day to finish off last minute shopping or head to a cafe for a last coffee malt or simply to lay in bed and allow myself to be lazy and unrushed on my last day of vacation.

Do you ever make it in to work?
Yup.. cause I'm being paid to show my face at 0800..

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