atcboy73
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American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:43 am

http://www.justplanes.com/

Justplanes.com is reporting that American Eagle will take over the flying between STL and RDU on Sept 7th. Chautauqua Airlines currently flies this route for AA. The frequency will stay the same at five flights a day.

I have wondered for some time if we will see increased Eagle flying at STL. If I understand correctly Eagle has many RJs still on order while Trans States and Chautauqua don't have any new (yet to be received) RJs allotted to the AA operation. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The last count I remember was that Eagle had about 70 RJs not yet received and with ORD limited surly STL will get some.

Any thoughts?
 
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:55 am

Not on AA.com yet,

But why the switch from Chautauqua to Eagle? Is Chautauqua repositioning planes somewhere else?

What is the current number of Eagle flights in STL? It can't be that many, if any at all.

Thanks!

[Edited 2004-07-09 17:56:38]
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:08 am

I don't think Eagle has any flights to STL right now. The last flights they offered that I knew of were to LGA, later replaced by mainline.

I think this may take place at the same time Chautauqua or Trans States is adding flights to MKE, DEN and PHL from STL but not sure.
 
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:13 am

Acutally Atcboy73,

I think those a/c are being route FROM RDU to STL.. AA is dropping Connection from that route as they are trying to make more flights AE instead of AmConn. I believe I got this info correct.

RDU will be getting more AE RJ to base here and more destinations...
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:31 am

This has nothing to do with American wanting to do more AE flying. American connection is made up of several different carriers and is based out of St Louis. It is probably due to the fact that AX is adding 4 RJ flights a day to places like ATL, DEN, MKE, and PHL. The AE planes are available and will be used so the extra freq to ATL, DEN, MKE and PHL can be operated.

BTW, RDU does well for AX, in the future it could very well be flown with mainline.
 
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:37 am

Please note from Av8trxx:

The AE people DO MIND! Very much in fact. The only feed to AA is supposed to be Eagle, by contract. Not Corporate or any other "American Connection" carrier. The fact that AMR is using AmCx to feed AA is the basis for several grievances by the Eagle pilots because they are violating our contract. AMR is outsourcing flying contractually promised to AE. AMR is using the reverse codeshare to get away with it...for now. AE is hiring like crazy and getting 3 new EMJs a month. As soon as Eagle can get ahold of the flying, they will. Even if it comes to an arbitraitor forcing AMR give it to them.

The RDU base is a possibility. Management has said it is under consideration and has been for some time. The NE is not an area where AE will be growing much. Esp since they closed the JFK base and the NE bases (EWR & BOS) are not projected to pick up the extra jets for any increase in service as they are in ORD & DFW.


As RDU is a sort of "mini" hub for AE, the thinking is that all regional flights will be AE.
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:03 am

"I have wondered for some time if we will see increased Eagle flying at STL. If I understand correctly Eagle has many RJs still on order while Trans States and Chautauqua don't have any new (yet to be received) RJs allotted to the AA operation. Please correct me if I am wrong."

AE will increase flying in STL once the AmCx issue is resolved. Presently AMR has made agreements with Trans States, Chautauqua & Corporate Airlines to operate in certain cities as "American Connection" in violation of the labor agreement with the AE pilots. (As ERJ170 reposted above.) Each AmCx carrier has it's own headquarters, with Trans States being the only one in STL. Having formerly fed TWA there, AMR continued the agreement with them under the supposed basis that AE did not have the resources to operate the flights, when in fact the company parked numerous a/c and the airline furloughed crews. Now AMR is saying that AA is feeding AmCx, and not the other way around! (The major feeding the regional?! Please...) AE pilots have numerous greivances filed against the company for contracting out AE flying under that 'reverse codeshare'. Only after these matters are settled by federal arbitration will we see what happens in STL.

"But why the switch from Chautauqua to Eagle? Is Chautauqua repositioning planes somewhere else?" See above.

"The last count I remember was that Eagle had about 70 RJs not yet received and with ORD limited surly STL will get some. Any thoughts?"

Almost all the jet growth is going to ORD & DFW last I heard, with a few to the east coast. The AmCx issue is the limiting factor for STL growth.

"...AX is adding 4 RJ flights a day to ATL, DEN, MKE, and PHL. The AE planes are available and will be used so the extra freq to ATL, DEN, MKE and PHL can be operated."

Since Eagle will now operate the STL/RDU that was AmCx, that leaves AmCx a/c free to do the other routes for AMR. AE planes are not AmCx planes. The AE fleet is seperate. Although AMR did 'sell' some of our Embraers to Trans States for AmCx use to stay below an APA imposed ASM limit at AE. (They are still registered to AE even though they were 'sold'.)

What is the current number of Eagle flights in STL? It can't be that many, if any at all." The new STL/RDU flights will be it as far as I can see in AMR Jetnet.
 
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:14 am

Av8trxx,

Any clue as to what the AE new destinations from RDU will be this year? I have heard rumors there were to be a couple? And what is up with the CUN/LAX flights? Are we gonna get it or not? LAX is in RDU's top 20 destination and no N/S. Any inside info! And welcome to my Respected User's list!
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:17 am

Av8trxx

Thanks for all the info.

Do we know how much longer the situation is going to be in arbitration?

I know they don't go by a schedule per say, how long has it been like this and any guesses as to how much longer?

Once again, thanks.
 
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:20 am

Av8trxx,

Another qeustion.. hate to bother you so..

But IF AA decides to do the intra-state "hub" at RDU, would that be AE or AmConn. I don't think they could use RJ on some of those routes.. any ideas?
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:34 am

The intra-state deal is with AX carrier Corporate Airlines, they've been trying to get that going for a couple of years now though funding seems to be going nowhere.
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:12 am

There probably will be a couple new AE destinations announced, but 2 or 3 ERJ's a day won't really be anything to boast about. I'd pin your hopes on LAX, if AA once had the balls to almost try SJC, then it wouldn't shock me to see them dive into RDU-LAX.

The intra state hub would be AX, but I doubt it will happen. It was a far out there proposal in the first place. If you did get it some of your current flights may go mainline w/ the extra feed.  Wow!

I'm sure that would excite mr. erj170

BTW, this is a bigger deal to St Louis than it is to RDUBig grin
 
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:32 pm

As a matter of fact, I'm kinda not hoping AA do a RDU-LAX (A321).. I'm kinda hoping that B6 will do it when they come. As well as a RDU-OAK (A321), JFK-RDU-FLL EMB190).

And I hope F9 comes in with a RDU-DEN (A319 from what I heard) and RDU-MCI-CUN-DEN.

I hope US comes in with a daily RDU-TPA (MidAtlantic), RDU-IND (Express), and RDU-BUF (Express).

I hope IDE does a IAD-RDU-MSY (A319), RDU-CRW (CRJ), and RDU-BMH (CRJ)

I just hope Continental and Northwest would do something.

I hope FL would do RDU-BWI, RDU-PBI, and RDU-BOS!

But, these are all hopes.. only time will tell. But we shall see! Keep hope alive!
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:24 am

Just checking out AA.com...

It appears that only 3 of the 5 RDU-STL flights will change from AmConn to AE. Are they all going to change to AE or will it continue to be a 3/2 split?
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:28 am

Continental and Northwest only have a handful of non-hub routes.

Independence Air won't be varrying from their hub and spoke network to start things like RDU-CRW.

FL would never do those routes..

American doesn't have any A321's, and neither does JetBlue.

And all 5 of the flights will be MQ...
 
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:46 am

LambertMan..

I have heard from some IDE sources that other destinations from RDU is INDEED in the future. And that's why they have 3 gates at RDU... and no one knows what kinda plans they have for RDU anyway...

F9 could/would very well do a RDU-DEN flight.. The other suggestion just came by looking at the cities that have multiple destinations... it was just a thought out loud..

The A321 comment was for B6.. and it was a mis-statement for their A320..

And if you had read carefully.. you could see the word HOPE all over the place.. like hundreds of other people do up here.. hope for something..

Good grief...
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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:56 am

Did I mention your F9 comment? No, because its the only one that has a slight chance of ever becoming a reality.

And if you look at most of your posts, they all consists of I wish airline A or airline B would do this and that at RDU. Then when someone says your comments were incredibly off the wall, like MAH the other day and me today, you take it offensively.

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RE: American Eagle Takes Over STL-RDU On Sept 7th

Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:13 pm

I respect what MAH4546 has to say.. I have found his comments not only credible, but also very well intentioned. Secondly, postings of what people would like at their home airport makes up about 65% of the comments on this forum. Thirdly, most people can do most of the discussion on what they know or what they hear. As what I mostly know is my own home airport, I like to stick to that topic. Lastly, The TRUTH is that no one knows what will happen until it happens or is verbally squashed by someone who can make that decision. And until that person is on this forum and announces themselves, I believe everyone has the right to say what they want.. no matter how far fetched it is..

And THAT is the TRUTH!
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