BestWestern
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:01 pm

Low-fare Carrier to Serve Arizona's 'Valley of the Sun' with Daily Service from New York's JFK with Fares Starting from $99* Each Way --

New York (JFK) to Phoenix (PHX) Phoenix to New York
Depart -- Arrive Depart -- Arrive
9:25pm -- 11:45pm (eff. 10/1/04) 12:45am -- 8:20am (eff. 10/2/04)

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/040712/60592.html
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hz747300
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:33 pm

That's pretty cool! I was hoping they would be the first airline to serve Williams airport but I guess that will still have to wait. For nonstop service from New York that means there is: jetBlue, America West, and American. I think Delta dropped it's PHX flight from JFK. Maybe Song can pick it up.
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:36 pm

Great passenger friendly flight times!  Nuts This ain't Vegas baby!

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Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:37 pm

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BestWestern
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:26 pm

I agree regarding flight times - with just a red-eyes from PHX this route will be a tough one to crack profits wise.
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:28 pm

One red eye a day, an easy sell.
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:33 pm

agree regarding flight times - with just a red-eyes from PHX this route will be a tough one to crack profits wise.



That's how Seattle, Salt Lake City, and Ontario work - one daily redeye each - and they have been serving each of them successfully for 3+ years. Sacramento, San Jose, and Santo Domingo are also successfully served with just one daily redeye. People fly it.

Great news to see jetBlue at Phoenix. Very surprised it was announced this soon. I have heard at least one more station will open this year, and that it will be in the Caribbean.
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:35 pm

B6 has had a tendency of entering western markets with red-eyes first, then adding frequencies at more reasonable hours.

Jetblue heading to Phoenix was only a matter of time. But I am somewhat surprised to see it this soon. It will also be interesting to see how American responds to this service.
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:25 pm

They will fill the planes with no problem. I heard a rumor a while ago that B6 would get gates at ISP with a daily non-stop to PHX. So far it is half right.
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:41 pm

Good to see B6 hit PHX.

We don't really have red eye flights in europe,unlike the good old USA which has a kind of love affair with them.

I've done a few red eyes in my time and they are always full!

Good luck to B6 in PHXSmile
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:42 pm

Thank you for jetBlue is bring to PHX this year of October. I am really wonderful to see flying out of PHX. I am very happy to hear about jetBlue is coming to PHX.
 
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Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:45 pm

One more other things and why not need to get daylight time to PHX and it was only for evening flight?
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:01 am

Finally I can fly Jet Blue for the first time. Are they also going to do services to Long Beach. If they do will they be the first airline to fly the new E-170 series into PHX?


P.S. Now we have even more 'buses coming into PHX Big grin

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Alpha 1
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:09 am

For nonstop service from New York that means there is: jetBlue, America West, and American.

CO has nonstop EWR-PHX service, so I think that counts, too.  Smile
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:12 am

B6 has had a tendency of entering western markets with red-eyes first, then adding frequencies at more reasonable hours.

True, though some markets, like Seattle, still are just a redeye.

It will also be interesting to see how American responds to this service.

AA is not going to respond. JFK-PHX, for them, is a money losing route that is there only to show America West "who's boss". I'd be shocked if AA is still flying JFK-PHX at this time next year.

Are they also going to do services to Long Beach. If they do will they be the first airline to fly the new E-170 series into PHX?


Service to LGB is extremely unlikely and the E-170s will be based on the East coast, not west.

I would not rule out, however, jetBlue adding more East coast service from Phoenix, particullary on the underserved FLL-PHX market.
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:22 am

Alpha 1 -
I was referring to JFK since that I where I generally fly in and out of and not EWR. EWR is expensive to get to from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.

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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:25 am

MAH4546,

Are you still sure about jetBlue to plans from PHX-FLL anytime soon and we shall look see about them in the future. It will make one way to find out for them.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:29 am

Alpha 1 -
I was referring to JFK since that I where I generally fly in and out of and not EWR. EWR is expensive to get to from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.


Shoulda maybe said "JFK", instead of "New York", then, becuase EWR does serve New York as well. But I accept your amendment.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:32 am

Alpha 1,

It will make said "JFK" or "PHX", instead of New York with JetBlue on their way. I am still hope will do well with these passengers on October 1 and I will even try to make flying on B6 to JFK very soon.

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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:40 am

NY to PHX is a route that needs non-stops. I know a lot of people that are discovering the west as opposed to Florida. Being a winter resident of Nevada I can relate. I am glad IFP has a Cessna flying to Scottsdale some what regularly!
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scottysair
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:42 am

Yes, this is most very excited for jetBlue is flying to PHX this fall and I am really looking forward to see them.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:59 am

If they do will they be the first airline to fly the new E-170 series into PHX?

No, because they have orders for the E190, not the E170. Laugh out loud
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:01 am

He's right and it will use with EMB-190 and not need with EMB-170, either. You need to make pay attention what are you doing with jetBlue.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:05 am

HP has several redeyes to JFK.

HP18 PHX-JFK 10:00pm Departure
HP306 LAX-JFK 10:00pm Departure
HP58 LAS-JFK 10:51pm Departure
 
scottysair
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:15 am

Thanks for showing me with departures time about HP flight out of PHX & LAS.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:36 am

As others have said, JetBlue does red-eyes on the transcons for aircraft utilization. The aircraft depart in the evening around 10pm and by the time they arrive at JFK the next morning, it's 6 or 7am. The plane does a quick turnaround and ready for another full day of service. That way, JetBlue minimizes the amount of ground time for each aircraft --> profits!
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:38 am

I agree that red eyes are not my favorite to fly. Though it makes senses dollars wise to fly these flights that will sell themselves for the most part than to have the planes sit idle all night.
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richierich
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:39 am

Well this is interesting because it pits B6 squarely against America West. I'm sure HP is not looking at this too fondly.

But I don't think you'll see B6 do a lot of JFK-PHX growth. The competition is too intense. My guess is that any B6 growth at PHX will be with more redeyes, perhaps one to BOS and IAD. Just a guess. I don't know how well a FLL-PHX redeye would work but stranger things have happened.

BTW - can someone please change the title to "Phoenix" instead of "Pheonix"? It really bothers me.
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:52 am

It's nice to see there are so many 'experts' on Phoenix. lol
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scottysair
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:54 am

We shall look see about B6 service from FLL-PHX anytime soon.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:33 am

If AA is losing money on the JFK-PHX just to show HP "who's boss," I'd like to know how CO, another major, does on the route out of EWR.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:35 am

I don't know how well a FLL-PHX redeye would work but stranger things have happened.


It would be a hit. You have an O&D market of 498 passengers per day and only two daily HP flights (one to MIA, one to FLL). Add that to jetBlue's huge South Florida customer base, and you'll find passengers. And America West only carries 28% of the O&D traffic. Plenty of room for another carrier on this non-stop, though it does look like AA is close to launching MIA-PHX later this year.
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hz747300
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:38 am

What a great message to shareholders AA has by keeping an unprofitable route to show HP who's in charge.

But I am sure that Delta dropped their flight for a reason, and I thought that AA opened the JFK-PHX route with two dailies.
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MATTHEWKH
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:46 am

Anybody have any idea what terminal / gates B6 will use? I'm guessing T3 somewhere; do they share gates with other airlines anywhere else?
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MAH4546
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:47 am

What a great message to shareholders AA has by keeping an unprofitable route to show HP who's in charge.

It is a competitive response. They do it all the time, JFK-OAK, never started JFK-ONT, the start of FLL-SDQ/PAP/CCS. Sometimes they work (the FLL-SDQ/PAP/CCS flights are money makers), sometimes they don't (JFK-OAK), but it is important to keeping market share. Flying two daily JFK-PHX flights isn't going to make AA money, but it protects marketshare, and the losses the flights handle are, for now, worth it. Not every flight makes money, and sometimes it is nessecary to keep unprofitable flights running.
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:07 am

That to me is the problem with the so called majors, at some point you have to operate flights because they make you money not because, "God forbid" you lose precious market share.

[Edited 2004-07-12 20:09:32]
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:28 am

i doubt aa is going to respond, they aren't doing too well on the jfk route. last sunday, i was in phx picking up my cousin from philly on ata, and was talking to my friend that works for aa, their jfk flight came in with 47 pax and was only booked to 39 on the return. sunday flight, b757, can't be a money maker. devils advocate, that was just one flight though, so maybe weekday traffic is higher.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:45 am

I doublt it about B6 service from PHX-FLL anytime soon and it was very full flight on HP flights to MIA & FLL. I am sure will make their decision about jetBlue on their way to PHX.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:14 am

HP WILL pounce on JetBlue hard. But yes, I have to agree, B6 will give HP a run for it's money.


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Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:21 am

Anybody have any idea what terminal / gates B6 will use? I'm guessing T3 somewhere; do they share gates with other airlines anywhere else?

I too am wondering the same thing, the most logical guess would be in T3.
Do you think they will contract Serviceair or the like to work their flights or hire their own employees?
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:24 am

From what I have read about how B6 operates these red eye stations, they most likely will out source the station and have an actual B6 employee or two.
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:33 am

It will be interesting to see how the red-eye flights do against each other from B6 and HP. However the other aspect that people are overlooking is B6 against LUV. The flights are not going to cause much of a problem for SWA but with the connections that passengers can make at JFK to the New England area and get there at reasonable times in the morning it could put a dip in southwests nonstop flights New England.
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MATTHEWKH
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RE: Jet Blue To Phoenix

Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:45 am

You know, there was an ad in the Sunday paper looking for aircraft cleaners for ATS (a company new to PHX), but looking at their website (http://www.atsstl.com) they do mostly ground handling. I wonder if this has anything to do with B6?
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RE: Jet Blue To Phoenix

Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:53 am

Is that still planning for hiring with new B6 employees at PHX very soon and what are you think even will get more new flights to BOS, FLL, LGB & OAK.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:15 am

"HP WILL pounce on JetBlue hard. But yes, I have to agree, B6 will give HP a run for it's money."
-CactusHP


I figured that it was only a matter of time before we see a JFK-PHX, but the fact that HP has started up LAX-IAD,JFK,BOS could have sped up the decision. What I am not sure is what HP could do the "pounce on JetBlue hard." I don't see HP as the company that would flood the market with capacity (i.e. DL, NW, or AA) or cutting their LGB-PHX flights to start 4 daily LGB-JFKs.  Smile HP only has 3 PHX-JFK dailies and the fact that most people that fly that route are originating in JFK should be quite nice for us at B6.

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MATTHEWKH
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:20 am

ONT 737, does B6 usually hire managment locally, or attempt to relocate / promote from within?
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:29 am

matthewkh-
Do you remember any info on those positions for ATS in PHX? I need a part time job to help pay for school  Smile
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MATTHEWKH
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:35 am

737captain,

They're holding open interviews tue & wed (7/13 & 7/14) between 8am and 5pm at the Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites, 3401 E University Dr. Maybe I'll see you there.
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Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:53 am

Good for new job interview with their person and will make bring them with new people at PHX.
 
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RE: Jet Blue To Phoenix

Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:54 am

i think that jetBlue will pretty much be quiet until 2005 when the 190s come in. I think that jetBlue will announce new service to markets right now to get a spot at the airport, but I don't see any frequency additions (other than major routes) untl the 190s come in.

EDIT: I believe FLL-PHX is 2X daily on HP...no redeye though. I know for a FACT it is 2X sa and maybe su.

I think HP might want to start a redeye to FLL, just in case!

[Edited 2004-07-13 00:14:21]
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