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LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:56 am

Lufthansa flight 439 from DFW to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA attempted to take off at about 1535 local time. As he approached V1 smoke started to come from the a/c and he aborted his take off. He is currently surrounded by about 20 CFR trucks across from the new international terminal. They a/c type is an A340-300. I will attempt to get the reg number A.S.A.P.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:32 am

Airliners abort take off's everyday... Not really news worthy.

Glad to hear that he got it stopped and all is well.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:37 am

Aircraft is D-AIGO.

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:42 am

That's true, aircraft do abort take offs daily, but do they get towed back into the gate with shredded tires, and possibly more damage like this one has?
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:49 am

If the plane is aborting a take off at high gross weight it is a lot of kinetic energy that has to be converted into heat by the brakes. The brakes will be red hot.
To prevent the tires from bursting uncontrolled (and causing casualities and more damage), because of the presurre increase due to the hot brakes, the rims contain fuse plugs made of some low temperature melting alloy. They melt and relieve the tire pressure.
This is normal after a high energy stop. Probably all wheels and brakes will have to be changed plus an inspection carried out.
Another thing is the defect, which caused the aborted take off in first place.

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:55 am

So maybe LH will send a 747-400 in here tommorow to bring in the spare parts, and to get the passengers out of here. Oh that would be sweet
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:49 am


Damn, if only time would stand still. That way when I read a thread in a non-live discussion forum containing the phrase "Right Now", it would actually mean something  Insane
 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:07 am

The important thing is that everyone is okay, aside from a few skipped heartbeats. Hats-off to that German flight crew  Big thumbs up

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:10 am

D-AIGO? Seems I got that one at IAD once... Everyone ok?

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:28 am

I had that happen to me on an AC a320 YYZ-YQR. We had to wait about 20 minutes for the brakes to cool off before AC tech ops were able to check them. Once that was complete and the okay given, we continued on to YQR without incident.


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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:31 am

but do they get towed back into the gate with shredded tires, and possibly more damage like this one has?

Actually Yes.... It happens much more often then you think it does. I was trying to land in BOS when this occurred..... Although a landing incident, they are common.


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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:37 am

this is a simple case of the airliners.net syndrome, lol...
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:46 pm

cancidas......what?!?!?!
 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 12:50 pm

Aborting a heavy aircraft at, or near, V1 can only be described as one hell of an experience for the flight crew. Good to hear that the job was well done!
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:07 pm

wonder what the pax had to do - they'd miss the AA flight to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA from DFW so would they have sent them out on UA/US flights to ORD, CLT, PHL, etc. to connect? Probably miss those flights, too. Or did they repair the aircraft and get to take off?
 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:21 pm

Any info on the pax or the plane?

I use to watch this airplane come in around noon everyday from 1997-2001, pretty interesting.

Even though this might be a common thing in everyday worldwide life, im glad you posted it. I just informed a friend of the event going on and hes headed out to DFW to see what he can see.......well, in the morning anyways.. Smile
 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:53 pm

how far down the runway was he? those A340s take the whole runway usually.

I remember the Martinair incident, time flies didn't seem like it was that long ago. What are those bigger tires next to the aircraft's own tires? aer they going to put those on?  Nuts
 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:47 pm

Aero..... and even more exciting for us flight attendants since theres a lot running through our mind at that point.... and half the time unable to see outside while seated in our jumpseats.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:27 pm

Airtran 737, exactly how did you know he was approaching V1? Don't tell me a radar gun...i guess by distance or through a retold story over the frequency?

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:26 am

You can tell when you're watching a plane when the nose is about to come off of the ground. When he slammed on the brakes, you could tell that V1 had been not to far off.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:39 am


...the pilot wouldn't aborted TO if V1, calculated according to weight..., has been reached...

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:16 am

Many years ago AA aborted a DC-10 (false warning light) at DFW, fully loaded for HI. Used up all the brake pads trying to stop and went off end of runway. Total loss of aircraft.
 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:25 am

What are those bigger tires next to the aircraft's own tires? aer they going to put those on?
To me they look like the new ones but with full air pressure. Why else would they store tires there? Unless there is some kind of logic there that I do not get...

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:26 am

Two things -

1 - V1 is the speed at which the flight crew must make the decision to abort the takeoff, and be able to safely stop before the end of the runway. It is not the speed at which the nose wheel comes up (which is designated as Vr). V1 depends on runway length, aircraft weight, and other factors. Once the aircraft passes V1 the crew would either need to takeoff, and make an immediate return to the airport, or slam on the brakes and accept the consequences of running off the end of the runway.

2 - The passengers are undoubtedly being protected today on either the fixed original aircraft, or if the rumors are true, an LH 747. Trying to find room for over 200 passengers during the summer on one flight to Eorupe is going to be impossible. (Trust me, I just got back from Europe yesterday, and the load factor both ways was 100%). LH will undoubtedly plan on keeping all the passenger with them, and getting them home on a non-stop Dallas-Frankfurt flight ASAP.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:30 am

The flight ended up leaving about three hours late after the tire change. As far as knowing that he was approaching V1. I was sitting on a belt loader watching him take off. I love Lufthy because its from my native land, and I wanted to get a shot of it taking off. Unfortunately, I was only able to get a few pictures of it while it was on the ground.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:40 am

Airtran737 - How were you able to watch this when you were at MKE inside that UA 777 diversion on Sunday? Kinda funny that you were looking at the messiness left behind by those passengers and in DFW watching a LH emergency-landing, huh? Especially being a MKE employee, why would UA let a AA or DL employee on one of their planes? Seems odd to me.

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:45 am

Actually the UA 777 was in MKE on Friday night and left Saturday at 1300 hours. On Sunday evening I traveled to DFW to work for four days. Due to our recent expansion in DFW we are a bit short staffed. I'm sure I can get you my AA confirmation number for the flight that I took down here to DFW on Sunday. And as far as getting on the UA aircraft, I got permission for the UA mechanics who were working on it. While I was on the plane, I was escorted by an employee of the Air Wisconsin parts department. Believe or not, airlines will let other airline employees come on their plane when its broke to check things out.

[Edited 2004-07-13 18:50:27]

[Edited 2004-07-13 18:52:55]
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:49 am

Dude, you guys all suck.

This guy has brought something that IS (I repeat, IS) newsworthy to our attention, and there has not been one positive reply to it yet.

You folks all need caffeine, or a latte, or a punch in the arm.

Thankyou, Airtran737, for bringing this to our attention. Living in Dallas, I could almost go to Founder's Plaza and have a look, if the plane was still there.

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:21 am

Ahem, AA737-823,

Post #13 was not positive?

Please clarify what is positive then.

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:46 am

AA737-

This is really NOT that newsworthy as for those of us that work in the industry this is common place. Heck, if the public knew half of what goes on during a daily basis and is not reported, they'd be shocked.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:06 am

AA737-823,

How about my post (#7)? I have nothing but praise for the crew. My husband and I flew LH out of DFW in January and the take-off was a scary affair in the A340. It's just amazing that the pilots were able to stop that thing without serious damage.

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:40 am

Oh, and ten billion posts about:

A) Liveries (I swear people judge airline's paintjob as the prime indicator of an airline's quality)
B) "Why doesn't Jetblue serve my airport?"
C) "Another plane took off & another one just landed at MSY!"
D) "HNL rarebirds" where people rattle off daily BS just too keep the thread active.

Those are newsworthy and interesting? Hardly.

 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:42 am

Heck, if the public knew half of what goes on during a daily basis and is not reported, they'd be shocked.

Since joining Airliners.net, nothing shocks me anymore.  Smile

Yes, at V1 the pilot is committed to rotation for the most part, of course there are always exceptions.

That Martinair 767....is that the real story in the photo caption? Would massive hydraulic power loss cause the pilot to not know his airspeed?
Seems to me that if there is just a single fixed visual reference a captain can determine how fast he is going. Even with eye's closed....just holding the yoke (that is if he is lucky enough to have a yoke) and hearing the engines a captain could easily devine his airspeed within an acceptable range.

I think that many of these burnt up wheel scenarios are ones where the reversers weren't used, for one reason or the other.
 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:54 pm

Since joining Airliners.net, nothing shocks me anymore.

After what I saw on the thread that got locked the other day... can't get any more shocking that that  Big grin
 
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:20 am

I appreciate all of the feedback that this topic has recieved. Thank you fellow a netters!
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:37 am

Airtran, thank for the update.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:52 am

I was flying that day and saw the LH 340 surrounded by fire trucks. We were off to LBB so we used 18L that day. As we were rolling down the runway there were LONG skid marks from the Airbus!!! Pretty impressive! When we returned from LBB back to DFW, the LH Airbus departed on 17R apparently for AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA a little late but on there way none the less.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:55 am

DFW is too big because even though I work there, if something exciting is happening, I probably won't hear about it, or if I do, its too big to hop in the car and find it. LIke a yesterday, AA MD-80 declared an emergency due to a hydralic problem. Guess I was there Monday, but never hear anything.
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:09 am

At least the second LH A340 from Texas got airborne alright, just saw it out of IAH about 2 hours ago...

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:32 am

I should have dated this thread when I started it. The aborted take off was on 7-12-04
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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:19 am

We took off RWY 18L this afternoon and I supposed the Airbus did the aborted TO there, since we saw some very large skid marks about halfway down the runway during our TO run, unbelievable...should have taken a picture...

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RE: LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!

Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:36 am

Yes. It was 18L that the aborted take off happened on.
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