Adam727
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British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:04 pm

British Airways has been coming to phx for a long time they have flown there DC-10, 747-400, and there 777 to the valley. For the past year they went from the 744 to the 777 and now I am seeing the 744 back. Is that a good thing? Does it mean that phx could see more intl. airlines in the valley or at least see more of British Airways.
 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:07 pm

As far as I know BA uses the 744 during the peak travel season to Europe and then switch back to the triple 7 for the winter season.
 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:08 pm

Does it mean that phx could see more intl. airlines in the valley

Unfortunatley, no. I'm not saying more carrier won't come to Phoenix, but airlines aren't going to say "hey, BA is flying a 744 to Phoenix. Let's go!".

or at least see more of British Airways.

Phoenix is actually seeing less of British Airways. When the flight was a 777, it was daily. As a 747-400, the flight now operates only six days a week.
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bristolflyer
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:10 pm

Is BA the only carrier to offer direct service from PHX to Europe? I've never seen any other European airlines there, although today I did notice KLM serve Terminal 3.

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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:12 pm

Is BA the only carrier to offer direct service from PHX to Europe? I've never seen any other European airlines there, although today I did notice KLM serve Terminal 3.

Yes, BA is the only European carrier. Lufthansa served Phoenix between April 2000 and Feburary 2004, however.
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Adam727
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:17 pm

British is now the only airline to offer nonstop to Europe. Lufthansa did operate phx to Frankfurt for awhile and that was it. KLM Has a code share with Northwest So what you saw was a KLM jet operating as a NW flight. If you look closely to a NW jet you can see a KLM logo on the plane.
 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:16 pm

LTU also once offered once weekly L1011 service from phx to germany, back in the mid 90's
 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:25 pm

I must say I'm very jealous. My brother and sister-in-law live in Phoenix. Just northeast of the airport. They live next to a park with a mountain, I think is named "Hole in the Rock?" Anyways, it's only a 5 minute walk from their place or they can just go around their place and see the planes. I visited there last August. My eyes were forever looking up when we were near their place. Oh, well I mentioned to my bro that what was happening and he took some pics for me because of my love for airplanes. It's cool having a brother-in-law. Especially when we both trade secrets about how to react to our wives who are sisters and have very similar attitudes about certain things, but totally different personalities.
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:28 pm

Bristolflyer,

I think LH operates a daily A340 there from AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA. What I would like to know is: how profitable is it for BA to operate a 744 into Phoenix?

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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:43 pm

KDALAggie,
The restaurant you are referring to is the "Hole in the Wall", which is at the Pointe Hilton Squaw Peak resort, at the base of Squaw Peak. I too, used to live about a 5-minute walk from there...it's a great area. You can see alot of air traffic from that vantage point.

Tasha,
After 3 years of service, the Lufthansa A340 nonstop to Frankfurt was discontinued in February 2004.  Sad

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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:53 pm

I thought it was a daily 744. I always see it when I go to work...our Mesa jets sometimes leave out of B26 or B28 and the 744 is parked always at B25
 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:32 pm

Does anyone know when they switch back to 777? I'm flying LHR-PHX on 10/21 and then back to LHR on 10/31.



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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:30 pm

Qantas744 - according to their current timetable application, it's showing as a 744 right the way through to the end of the data set (23/06/2005) still.

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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:43 pm

The 744 was a very interesting aircraft to watch takeoff when it was very hot out. Before they extended the runway it would use up every last inch due to the heat. On some rare occasions they would wait until the air temp would drop at night before leaving the gate.
 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:48 pm

The KLM sign is retarded - it is for the NW/KLM alliance. Before Lufthansa, there was a weekly flight to Dusseldorf on LTU. And way back when, America West operated a 747 on a PHX-Japan route.

Someone in here did a seat calculation and with the 744 there are actually more seats btw PHX-LON now than with the daily 777. That flight has to be mostly leisure traffic, like Vegas.
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:45 am

Hz747300, I assume you meant American running Phx-Japan route?

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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:54 am

Hz747300, I assume you meant American running Phx-Japan route?

No, it was America West. They flew Phoenix-Honolulu-Nagoya with a pair of 747-200s.
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:11 am

double confirm on HP.
At that time, HP operated both the 747 and the Dash 8....before they farmed out the commuter ops.
Case of trying to be everything to everyone.

Speaking of HP, makes me think of Ed Beauvais....
Last I heard he was working on a startup out of SYR called Northern Air (Air Northern?), then switched the base to PIT and called it PROJECT ROAM.
Heard alot about this back in OCT03, but nothing since. Anyone know anything? I assume it's not going to happen.
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:18 am

Oh, I thought that America West were an economy airline only flying within the US. Fairly new to all this a.net stuff!

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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:56 am

...our Mesa jets sometimes leave out of B26 or B28 and the 744 is parked always at B25

rofl... you mean the 4 a/c we park there during any given bank? I think we have parked every type in our fleet there at one point or another. BE1,CRJ,CR9,DH8.

BA288 flys in every day but Wed according to their timetable.
 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:13 am

MY FIRST POST!!! I have been here for years but just joined. Anyway, I am flying to London via PHX in November. When I went online to pick my seats I was able to get upstairs so it is indeed a 747. Hopefully that doesn't change!

 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:30 am

Radelow, welcome to A.net.

I just jumped back into A.Net this summer, so I have a question or 2 that have probably already been covered, albeit awhile ago.

Why did Lufthansa pull out? Were there loads not good enough to sustain service? Or was it that it was too much just leisure passengers.

Also, Phoenix has a metropolitan area nearing 4 million people, why are there no international services to Europe/Asia. Phoenix has a HUGE Indian population, and I'm sure they could easily fill a flight to Delhi a few times a week. Maybe even a flight from Eva Air, since the have some co-operation with America West.
 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:45 am

Jmc1975,

The place I was referring to was not a restaurant, but a mountain. There is a path that goes from the front around to the back which leads up to the hole near the top of it. I'll just ask my brother or sister-in-law what the official name is. All I really know is that it is just east and north of the approach into SkyHarbor. I'll let ya know when I find out or I'll simply post pics.

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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:57 am

I found out. The exact place is Hole-in-the-Rock in Papago Park, just north of the 202 where it turns northward to go around the airport.

Just for people's added spotting places.....

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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:06 am

Oh, I thought that America West were an economy airline only flying within the US. Fairly new to all this a.net stuff!

HP is a LCC, however they operate flights to Canada, Mexico, and Costa Rica. Their attempt at overseas 747 operations proved disasterous.

Why did Lufthansa pull out? Were there loads not good enough to sustain service? Or was it that it was too much just leisure passengers.

If I remember correctly, it was in part due to the lack of any feeds. BA codeshares with a number of HP flights.
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:23 pm

To Phoenix's disadvantage, it was long considered a tourist (winter) resort destination. The population swelled in the winter, and dropped precipitously in the summertime as all the "snowbirds" went back home again to escape those hellish temperatures.

While the population has grown by leaps and bounds in the last 20 years, there still really are no large headquarters of businesses in Phoenix to snap up higher-fare tix. There are some exeptions (Dial Corp. in Scottsdale comes to mind), but by-and-large there are no "big fish" in Phoenix, even with a population of nearly 4 million people in the Valley of the Sun.

In addition, Phoenix is awfully close to Los Angeles, which makes it easier for airlines to code-share thru LAX.

Where it is coming into its own lately, is with HP Mexico/Canada flights. Might be interesting to see where they spread their wings next....possibly more Central American destinations to capture immigrant travel from all over the West?

 
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RE: British Airways 744 At Phx

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:45 pm

i have spoken with my AWA/HP co-workers, who handle the BA 289/288 flight here @ PHX. BA is currently re-configuring the 777, with less 1st class seats. first, business/club, premier economy & economy configurations. more of a virgin atlantic type set-up. the 747-400's already went through this conversion. thus, they are ready to offer the levels of service that BA has chosen. the passenger & cargo loads are very hearty, throughout the year. if the load factors remain steady, perhaps the 747 will continue service to/from LHR-PHX.

since, SAN-LHR/LGW is no longer, AWA connects passengers in PHX to/from BA. AA also connects passengers @ ORD & DFW to/from BA.


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