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Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:29 pm

According to a Swiss newspaper, a 26year old airport employee has been killed at SVO today as he got too close to a running B737 engine.

due to heavy rain, the guy was waring a hood (correct word??) and didn't notice (?) the 737 from Kazachstan.

Link (in german):
http://www.tagi.ch/dyn/news/newsticker/395742.html

unbelievable, isn't it?
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:32 pm

Not really! When you have 2 sets of ear protectors and headphones on and are facing the opposite way, its perfectly possible!

Hence why extreme caution should always be observed on the ramp.
This kind of incident happens every so often, as sad as it is.
Lets hope it wakes us all up again and make us realise what a dangerous environment we work in.
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:45 pm

Very sad. It must be an Air Astana 737.
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:51 pm

It was an Air Astana plane. The guy actually was just a graduate and started to work not long time ago.

But isn't there usually communication to let the person know that engines are turning on, so go away.

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:42 pm

Wow, my condolences to the guy's family and friends.
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:01 pm

This is very sad !! I pray for the guy's loved ones.  Sad
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:06 pm

>>>I pray for the guy's loved ones

Ditto, not to mention the folks that had to return the aircraft to service... (Yuck!)
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:18 pm

Tragic...just terrible. Situational awareness is crucial- just goes to show that everyone at every time has to have their wits about them and head screwed on straight.

A momentary lapse of awareness in most people's jobs usually doesn't result in death- renews the respect I have for ramp workers, that's for sure.
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:56 pm

Wow... That's horrible. My Condolences to the family. Wasn't there a video of a crew member on a flight deck that was sucked through an intake? He survived and came out (naked) with a few broken ribs.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:19 am

That goes to show you...always read the sign on the engine nacelle...stay clear of hazard areas while engine is running....it even gives particular distances to stand from the engine at certain angles.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:20 am

Poor guy. There was a guy at Aloha Airlines a number of years ago that got sucked down the intake of a 737-200. Fortunately for him the JT8 has fixed inlet guide vanes. That saved his life, however he did lose an arm.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:55 am

Very very tagic, and as mentioned it's not that hard to lose your bearings out on the ramp especially in inclimate weather. Not quite the same rush as what I used to experience on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, but still a dangerous place.

Thoughts and prayers with his fmaily and friends...  Crying
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:14 am

What a tragedy. Truly hope this never happens again.  Sad
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:18 am

So sad...best wishes to his family and loved ones.

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:42 am

Goes to show how professional every ramp agent is in both the us and anywhere. 1000's of flights daily take off and no flight is less dangerous than the other, some more than others but still that common danger and death.

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:20 am

i too have seen the video of the military guy being sucked into an engine. i was told there was a fence like barrier that stopped his body from going through.

he lived but was he ever black and blue!
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:04 am

I was speaking to a ramp instructing facilitator for my airline recently and as we spoke of dangers on the ramp, he said that since the introduction of the 737, a total of 26 people have been ingested to date.

Whether that is definately true or not, I cannot say. Maybe someone would be interested in trying to do some research and find a number for us. Given that the airplane has been flying for over 30 years, and the engines are so close to the number one and two cargo bins, that number sounds reasonable.

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:58 am

What a tragedy. This is kinda scary since recently I boarded via airstairs on an AS 737-700 with the engine running. Makes me think twice about the ops at AS and SJC.

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:31 am

I remember watching on T.V a clip of a US serviceman being sucked into the engine of a Harrier jet on the deck of an aircraft carrier. It was pretty horrendous.

My thoughts are with the family
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:54 am

Horus....I've never seen the Harrier video....but have seen the A-7 vid.

So guys........what series 7-3 was this??? In my ramp days I've personally witnessed a hat ingestion and a blast incident. This real, real skinny chick just walked right behind the #2 engine of a DL 732. The blast just literally lifted her in the air..........she took flight, and was thrown a good 40 feet into a chain link fence.... She was just fine, except for the "grill" marks on her back.

Everyone, everyone please pray for the family!

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:07 am

Gib, the video I saw was during the night and the guy was passing by the front of the jet before being sucked in. Apparently he wasn't killed because wire mesh is placed in the engines right before the fans, which stopped him from being 'blended'. I thought it was a Harrier due to the location and shape of the engines. Could be wrong though. Is that the same as the clip you watched?
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:20 am

That really is truly very sad news.....  Sad

My thoughts are with his loved ones...

Poor guy, i bet he was so excited about working there and this terrible accident befalls him, very sad day for all at SVO

Rest in Peace.......
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:22 am

Horus:

I've seen this video a few times - it's an A-6 or EA-6. The guy was an instructor who was checking out a trainee, who had hooked up the aircraft to the catapult. The launch officer gave the signal to go to full power at the same time as the guy moved toward the nose wheel. And zip! he was gone. The engine flamed out and the pilot shut it down. No one knew what happened. Apparently the video continues, and he is seen sliding out of the intake and stumbling around the flight deck for a few seconds / minutes. He broke his collarbone, both eardrums, and had other injuries that I don't recall.

I don't know about any mesh in the intake - I've looked down a few and never seen anything but fan blades. It was wintertime and he was wearing a parka.

So I'm told, anyway, by the flight safety guys.

By the way, engines aren't particularly well marked as far as danger zones. The CFM-56's I work with have only a red line a few feet back from the intake. I have often had to move ahead of that red line in the course of my job, and I do it very carefully, of course. I don't think there's much of a hazard at idle. Not that you get complacent.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:37 am

>>>So guys........what series 7-3 was this???

Based on what's in the photo database, it's either this one, or its sistership, both 737-700s...


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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:37 am

Thanks for the info 320tech, but if there weren't any wire meching then how comes the guys didn't suffer more serious, if not fatal injuries?
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:58 am

Horus.....I'm thinking that was the same one I saw and I betcha' if I tried hard enough, I could find us that video online....complete with a link... (lazy)

THX Opnlguy, for the type info.

320tech......Man, I could swear it was an A-7??? Night video where the dude looks like he was curved, then shwoooooooop.......right in the intake...

Anyway....my lazy behind is on the search for the vid....

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:05 am

The U. S. Navy built a mesh guard to use on the Vought A7E for exactly that reason. The guard was installed prior to any ground ops at more than idle power, except when taxiing. The A7E was advertised as the world's largest vacuum cleaner. FOD was a real hazard with that aircraft.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:19 am

::::shudder::::: That is an awful way to die! I am truly sorry for his family. Wow that is just an awful story. Very sad....  Sad

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:52 am

Remember kids, the areas surrounding aircraft engines are not a playground. All my condolences to the family.
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:49 pm

A guy I knew from my old job with Shannon Aerospace got sucked into a Ryanair 737-200 in DUB. He got stuck in the inlet guide vanes and "only" lost an arm. Apparently he was making adjustments on the FCU of the engine (engine trim) and his headset line got entangled in the cowling. He leaned forward to clear it up and got into the danger area, and was sucked in.

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:11 pm

I remember watching on T.V a clip of a US serviceman being sucked into the engine of a Harrier jet on the deck of an aircraft carrier. It was pretty horrendous..

I saw that same video in AMT class. The guy survived surprisingly, lost his legs in the process and his helmet, in some way, protected him. I think it was an A-6 Intruder that was involved in the incident. No one knew he go sucked into the intake until the engine died out by itself from what Ive been told.

As for the topic, Ive been saying alot in a different thread that talked about bringing family and friends onto the ramp...the ramp is not a playground. This recent tragic incident proves otherwise. The ramp is a very, very dangerous place. All aircraft engines behave the same way, expecially those CFM-56s on the 737NG aircraft...since the inlets are larger and low to the ground than on any other aircraft. (The engine sits 18-21 inches off the ground...) I hope this will turn into a learning experience because these things CAN happen but are quite rare. So dont take chances.

Also when working around aircraft that is running an idle engine.....put in your pockets ALL loose items including your airport id and company id. If your hat or anything flies off and gets sucked into an engine, dont go after it. Be alert and be aware of your surroundings. Dont take chances. The ramp is NOT a place for everyone.

My sincere condolences to the family and the co-workers.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:39 pm

I hate to see a perfectly good engine put out of service because this guy couldn't maintain his situational awareness. Oh well.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:40 pm

Very sad.

Does it have to do with the very low level of the intakes on the 737?Would that be possible in a 747 for instance? Does anyone know the stats for other aircraft?
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:10 pm


A very tragic accident  Sad Feel sorry for the relatives, who have to live with the fact he died in such a way...

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:14 pm

Does it have to do with the very low level of the intakes on the 737?

I think it does, but Im not exactly sure. My theory is the lower the intakes are, the higher the chances of being engine ingested. I mean, think about it.....
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:26 pm

RA-85154:

It's difficult for me to 'care' about a complete stranger that apparently lacked the basic instinct of survival. Situational awareness it the most basic of natural abilities; failure to exercise it around something as deadly as a turbofan engine shows a careless disregard for human life, either his own or that of another. The inability to perceive and react to dangers in one's environment is perfect example of the Darwinian theory of "survival of the fittest." If I get hurt due to a lack of my cognizance, I don't ask for people to pity me; I learn from the mistake and evolve. This person made a fatal mistake and determined his own fate. C'est la vie.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:04 pm

In the case of the A-6 ingestion, the guy probably got hung up on a pitot static port in the intake, but his head gear got sucked into the blades and fodded the engine bigtime. Steven Coonts' book "Flight of the Intruder" talked about a similar ingestion incident (albeit fictionalized, but Coonts was an A-6 driver and probably wrote this bit from experience or stories he had heard) and that is what happened in the book as well. So far, the A-6 ingestion is the only incident I have seen on film or video and it is not a pretty sight even though the crewmember was one lucky guy after that.

As for this 737 incident, I am saying a prayer right now.
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:45 pm

Sad, accidents always are no matter how they came about.
My question is why they haven't developed some sort of engine guard for aircraft like the 737 with engines that are so low to the ground?
Surely this wouldn't have happened if it was a 76 or 77, not only are they louder the engines are much higher.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:47 pm

I don't think it has much to do with the height. They are all low enough. The 737 is a short airframe, and the inlets are close to the fwd pit door, I think that has more to do with it. I have seen a RB-211 on a 757 suck water off the pavement at idle. I have also seen plenty of ground equipment over the years go into all types of inlets.

May he rest in peace.

PS, a guard over the inlet is not practical. It would interrupt airflow.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:37 pm

When the aircraft engines have been started and are at idle on the ramp, what's the radius around the inlet where ingestion is a possibility?
 
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:56 am

depends on the engine. I, as a rule, make sure during pushback or other operations at idle, not to approach the engine from front closer than the nose gear (the one exception might be a leak check or engine trim operation, then I´d walk in through ther safe corridor aft of the intake from the side). At take off power the intake danger area on an A300-600 is actually in front of the aircraft nose.

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:02 pm

When the aircraft engines have been started and are at idle on the ramp, what's the radius around the inlet where ingestion is a possibility?

On a 737, you need to have a 13-15 feet clearance while an engine is running while trying to dock to the gate.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:05 pm

Not unusual when you see what that fool was doing at CMF :

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:25 pm

Yeah, that would be a little close for my taste too.

But that being said, Have you ever pulled the power plug from a Volpar Beech with both motors turning?

That is pretty close. When I did that I used only my right hand, My left one was firmly holding onto the forward lip of the nosegear bay.....Still spooky.

Also seen one metro that had the plug-in on the the right hand cowling, about 4 feet aft of the propline...Spooky when you do a double engine start off the cart on that aircraft too.



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We used a compressed air start bottle so it would have been about 1 1/2 hours before it would have been recharged for another start, So no shutting down and restarting another motor.
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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:25 pm

The video of the guy being ingested is definitely a Grumman A-6 Intruder. Not an EA-6B, an A-7 or a Harrier. There was no wire mesh. His suit got hung up on one of the pitot tubes. The engine got fodded and shut down and he came out bruised but okay.

I've got the video at home, saved with a ton of other interesting airplane videos. When I get home I'll post it. It shows the guy afterwards as well.

It still kind of amazes me how many people think he went 'thru' the engine and lived. If you understand how the jet engine works... that just ain't happening.

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RE: Man Killed By B737 Engine

Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:36 pm

What saved his life is that he broke a SOP for operations on a carrier deck.

He had change in his pockets.
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