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Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:09 am

Today the CAA are investigating 2 aircraft that clipped wings at LHR today.
A United 777 & Air Jamaica A340 where the aircraft involved no injuries.
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:10 am

Glad that everyone is safe!!!

Occhhh! Who clipped who??
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:30 am

I heard that report on BBC London radio just now, apparently the United 777 clipped the Air Jamaica 340.

Nasty!

It happened at South runway holding area at 2pm local.

[Edited 2004-07-14 18:32:07]
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:31 am

Opps!
Still glad everyone is safe!
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:32 am

Photos please someone!

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:37 am

This is what they call a typical A vs. B fight. 777 vs. A340.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:40 am

didn't a UAL 777 in IAD collide with an LH 747 like in 2000?
if i am correct, the 777 was taxiing upon arrival from i beleive either LAX or SFO, and then the LH 747 was pushing back... but i am not sure what year or if the LH was a 747 or an A340.. its funny that another UAL 777 has the same incident again
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:44 am

ouch hope air jamaica pax can make it home.. glad no injuries..
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:43 am

So the airlines "merged?"

New airline to be called Un-Jam........

ugh!  Big grin
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:47 am

According to itv news, the air Jamaica flight will still fly, but the united flight has been cancelled.

seems the aggressor came worse off!
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:52 am

Head ups Guys-

Please stop posting on the topic "COLLISION"! Collision means two planes were crashing too hard! Next time, use "clipping wings or scrap aircraft" Alright?

Thanks,

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:16 am

Big777jet, two a/c collided on the ground so its known as a collision.
Alright?
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:19 am

Anyone have flight numbers?

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:40 am

It was a flight to JFK:

Flight 905
CANCELLED
Details London, United Kingdom (LHR)
Wed, Jul 14
Scheduled: 1:30 PM
Actual: Flight cancelled
Reason: --
Gate: 321
New York, NY (JFK)
Wed, Jul 14
Scheduled: 4:10 PM
Estimated: Flight cancelled
Reason: --
Terminal 7
Gate: 9
Baggage claim: --
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:56 am

I can tell you...

Air Jamaica flight number was JM002 bound for MBJ and KIN. A/C Reg 9Y-JMP.

The fully loaded A/C pushed back from stand 314 at 13.38L and headed towards runway 27L for take-off. At approx 14.05 the a/c was clipped on the wing and returned to Stand 338 Where a further investigation and analysis of the damage was carried out.

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:00 am

Tjwgrr.....

Gotta' give it to ya'...

UnJam Air

Classic, dude!

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:04 am

Tjwgrr:

Haha

But how can 2 planes, while taxing, hit each other wings? They have to be right how many meters from each other apart??

Thanks

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:12 am

~"Please stop posting on the topic "COLLISION"! Collision means two planes were crashing too hard! Next time, use "clipping wings or scrap aircraft" Alright?"~


How 'bout "Two aircraft nearly miss on the ground"..

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:24 am

How 'bout "Two aircraft nearly miss on the ground"..

Well they didn't nearly miss, they hit each other! It sounds minor so looks like the 777 sweat another write-off bullet.
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:27 am

Just days after the A340 operated by BWIA got hit by a service truck.
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:42 am

Well they didn't nearly miss, they hit each other! It sounds minor so looks like the 777 sweat another write-off bullet.

They did nearly miss because they did hit each other.
If you crash your car into a tree you could say you nearly missed it, but that would still mean you hit it. If you nearly hit it then you would have missed it.  Confused  Big grin
From a passengers point of view it must be interesting to see your aircrafts wing get clipped if you have a window seat!
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:47 am

Thanks ScottishLaddie.. I'm glad someone got it..  Laugh out loud
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:57 am

If you crash your car into a tree you could say you nearly missed it, but that would still mean you hit it. If you nearly hit it then you would have missed it.

That's some pretty backwards english if you ask me. If I'm driving in a car, to use your example, and I have a near miss... I have narrowly avoided an accident. A near miss is often used as a figure of speach for a near collision.
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:12 pm

Man are you guys always this technical about descriptions!!!  Smile

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:21 pm

DfwRevolution,
His English is correct and in the proper manner.

I'm glad all is well but sad to see the 777 take a beating. I hope it wasn't the new colors. But I highly doubt it seeing how I just saw the a/c parked on the East Side of Runway 28R where UA maintains/parks a/c mostly 777's and 747's. Great looking a/c and a real eye pleaser when parked with all the other dark gray a/c.

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:56 pm

Oh, dear!

First BWIA, now Air Jamaica with a damaged aircraft. This has not been a good week for our beloved caribbean carriers.

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:42 pm

They did nearly miss because they did hit each other.
If you crash your car into a tree you could say you nearly missed it, but that would still mean you hit it. If you nearly hit it then you would have missed it.


Good one, I remember hearing that one from George Carlin.
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:16 pm

Any word on the UA 777-222 a/c number that was involved?

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:38 pm

Sounds like a repeat of a year or two ago at LHR.
UAL 777 hits Air Canada 747.
777 came off worse.
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:17 pm

Let's assume the nearly-miss/collision/touching/whatever had been a little harder and had put both a/c out of service for 2 weeks....

presumably, UAL would be much better equipped to deal with that - I guess they might have a spare in the US, which they could bring into service within a day and if not, then they could re-route people via other UAL transatlantic flights and then connect them if necessary.

But Air Jamaica would presumably be hard-pressed to do very much... they only have 2 343s and there are no other direct scheduled flights to Montego Bay from the UK (other than Air Jamaica's own flight from MAN) as far as I am aware.

How would they deal with the situation?
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:26 pm

Just like BW: Air Comet A310  Smile
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:41 pm

Does this prove that the A340 (thus a four holer) is safer than the T7?
 Big grin

Anyway, maybe United should put some of its pilots into a simulator a bit longer and practice taxiing...
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:55 pm

How did it happen? Were the aircraft off the taxi centrelines or something?
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:59 pm

>Anyway, maybe United should put some of its pilots into a simulator a bit longer and practice taxiing...<

Oh, like we've never strayed over any lines or lanes while driving a car.
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:08 pm

WesternDC1010 wrote:
Oh, like we've never strayed over any lines or lanes while driving a car.

Train me intensively and pay me $100K a year to maintain better control of a car and I will never stray over lines while driving. Big grin

[Edited 2004-07-15 12:10:08]
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:13 pm

>Train me intensively and pay me $100K a year and I will never stray over lines while driving. <

Good point!

But who says that it was UA's fault? Could the blame possibly be on anyone else but the pilots? No one really knows just yet.

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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:03 pm

The ATIS @ LHR always signs off with: 'Caution in the runway holding areas as wingtip clearance is not assured'
 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:20 pm

The funny thing is, up until March, United used to provide all ground handling for Air Jamaica at LHR, before JM moved to another ground handling company.

How ironic!! Lol
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:05 pm

These things can happen, you have to remember the likes of 777's and A340 have massive wingspans, errors can be made steering something that big.
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:44 pm

Everyone is so quick to place blame...we haven't even heard the specifics yet...except that one person posted that UA hit Air Jamaica. Even if that were the case, could it not have been Air Jamiaca's fault?

I always get a good laugh here when incidents are reported. One of two things always happens. Either 1) everyone condemns one side and tells all the arm-chair quarterback ways to fix it and prevent it from happening again (read: "Maybe United should put their pilots through a longer simulator and practice taxiing") or 2) Everyone condemns someone for having an opinion and criticizes everyone not waiting for two years for the "official" reports to come out.

 
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:50 pm

I don't think anyone is passing blame here, just saying what bits and pieces they know.

Indeed it would be foolish to make assumptions at this stage.
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:57 pm

Glad that everyone is safe!
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:52 pm

I actually was watching the two aircraft at the time from about half way down 27L on the cargo stands, I was also listening in on ATC.

The Air Jamaica was stationary with the UA pulling along side.

From the conversation that followed on ATC neither flightcrew seemed to be aware of what happened. The incident was reported to the Air Jamaica flight crew by a flight attendant from the rear of the aircraft.

The UA crew said that they were unaware whether they had hit anything.

ATC then sent out a leader van to inspect the two aircraft and reported that the 343 had been hit and that debris was on the ground.

Both aircraft were then advised to return to stand by ATC by means of following the leader van. As a result of this the runway was out of use for about 7 or 8 minutes.

I wasn't able to go and have a look at the two aircraft as I was just finishing my shift but there was no major damage visible from where I was (About 800 yards at closest point).

Glad everyone was ok and it's nice to see the flight attendant was so safety conscious especially as the crew hadn't noticed.
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:10 am

A "near miss" is short for "near mishap." It does not mean miss, as in to miss hitting something.
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RE: Collision At LHR Today

Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:15 am

I'm surprised CNN hasn't tried to tie this mishap to Al-Queda, and blame lax security for the event  Smile
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