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Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:23 am

Am I the only one to be cynical about all of these announcements from Airbus saying that the A380 may have a casino, bars, gyms etc onboard? The other aircraft that Airbus produce are equally as capable of having all of these things but most don't, so why should we believe that the A380 will?

When it comes to airlines considering a luxury like a casino in place of a couple more seats carrying fare-paying pax then my guess is that the seats will get the vote.

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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:29 am

Right now, Airbus is pleeding with manufacturers to produce lighter seats (et al) so that the plane will come remotely close to the weight promised...

...anyone really think there's going to be equipment (gym weights for example) onboard that's not essential to transport? Rather doubtful, even for airlines like QR.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:35 am

Isn't the A380 overweight though Confused
"Am I the only one to be cynical about all of these announcements from Airbus saying that the A380 may have a casino, bars, gyms etc onboard"

I'd love that, but maybe only Bill Gates plane. And wouldn't it be hard to be walking around in this place anyway while the plane is in flight? Imagine:
Drunk, gambling at the casino, then turbulence.  Innocent



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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:44 am

Sure it can hold it. Might not get off the ground and you'd have to be stupid to buy the a/c and do that. Sure it's possible and advertised but any smart operator will pass on the casino and cram as many seats, wall to wall, roof to roof, so that the damn thing is a profit and not a big "fun machine"

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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:49 am

I think its a great idea. Take seats out and lower the weight of the plane, then use the open area as a casino. That would make more money then the seats on a long flight. Use the casino money to pay for the return fuel.

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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:52 am

Maybe video casion machines in the in-seat IFE system, pay via credit card? But slot machines and blackjack tables? nooooo
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:53 am

If something can be removed from the plane and 50 more seats installed, then 50 more seats will be installed.

The only way any amenities will be installed is if the amentites cost less to carry around than empty seats.

The other possibility is that something might be installed that makes more money than a marginal passenger - a video gambling machine, for instance.
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:01 am

What about BA or AF having one decked out with fitness center, massage rooms, turkish baths, private sleeping rooms, etc. for the rich and famous who used to fly concorde, but now have to fly regular plain old first class with the rest of the low lifes? They could start in LA and make a connection in NYC.
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:11 am

Casino = video slot / video poker
Gym = bowflex machine
Library = bookshelf
Duty Free = cupboard
Bars = see Virgin Atlantic
Massage = see Virgin Atlantic

The plane can accomodate more than 555 seats. If this limit can be maintained, the extra space has no choice but to offer amenities.

Then again, I would prefer an A380 with 555 business seats than a crammed economy and a duty free cupboard.

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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:33 am

You know, I was thinking about a something funny for this response, like "Yeah, there's gonna be a casino, right next to the movie theater and swimming pool at the end of the mall"...

but a small casino/lounge for first and business class travellers or passengers who buy casino section tickets could actually make money if the tickets were sold to people for access to these seats and the area was small enough or even convertible once the flight is enroute..
...Casinos are a license to print money, and I am sure that some smart person is going to figure out how much will need to be charged on some of these London to Hong Kong or Singapore flights full of businessmen who have 1)money 2) an acknowledged love of gambling and 3)18 hours or so to kill. Heck, consider the idea patented and copyrighted as of now and I will be contacting Mssr, Foregarde (sic) to negotiate a deal.  Acting devilish
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:35 am

Not gonna happen poeple. Bank on it. Outside of Virgin, no airline will waste space on such fluff. For one thing, it won't have the room. Won't have the room you say? Yes. Airbus' own website proves it.

http://www.airbus.com/product/a380_cabin_layouts.asp

Take a look at the cabin layout. This is for the standard 555 seat configuration. With all the galley, lav, and crew rest areas, where the hell are you going to put a duty free shop/casino? The only way it will is to remove seats. When that happens, there goes your operating costs. And then there goes the cost advantage over the 747.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:37 am

The other possibility is that something might be installed that makes more money than a marginal passenger - a video gambling machine, for instance.

Please don't give Michael O'Leary any ideas...he's already mentioned the possibility of pay-as-you-go IFE so a slot machine in the seat back is only a small step away....
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:55 am

Make the thing convertible in flight. Pax are seated in swiveling or club type chairs for takeoff and then the flight attendants/croupiers/dealers lay out the gaming tables using the front section for a craps table,lightweight aluminum roulette wheels, foldable blackjack tables, video slots and poker at the IFE terminals...this actually could work if passengers booked seats in the exclusive gaming section and paid a premium that helped justify the row of seats you would lose. Use the forward upper business class section and charge first class rates. Be creative and find something that makes money and is unique!
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:03 am

Anyone who really believes that an A380 in regular service will sport a casino, gym, daycare, etc is delusional - YES DELUSIONAL.

All the A380 will sport is a whole lot of seats. Without those seats being filled, the aircraft will not be very profitable.

All this talk of casinos and the like is nothing but a bunch of Airbus propaganda.

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:14 am

Something though I continue to maintain in threads like this is that some airline/company should take a lav-sized comparment, figure out how to ventilate the hell outta it, provide proper fire suppression; and then (assuming no legal red tape is imposed) sell it as a smoking lounge.

Charge $5 per puff, or maybe a $20 unlimited entry per flight pass (both applied to Coach passengers only)... smokers will pay it.

Oh, and make sure Platinums/Premiums get in free  Big grin
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:26 am

I wouldn't mind a toilet built into the seat. I could just lift up the cushion, which doubles as a flotation device, and do my business. I would not have to worry about climbing over two other people (especially from the middle seat on that nasty 2-5-2 configuration) to get to the restroom. I probably would use it if the regular toilets became pay toilets like O'Leary was suggesting.

Don't look for anything fancy in the A380, just seats for revenue paying customers.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:37 am

Rumour has it that one Airline is already planning to have a casino onboard. That is one of the reasons it had been delayed by 18 months.  Big grin

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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:41 am

Tasha..Delusional?!?!? You wound me! Y'know, they called Bugsy Seigel delusional when he said "Build it and they will come.." way out in the desert, and we see where he wound up.....wait, scratch that, reverse it (a little Wonkaesque paraphrase  Smile ), look at how Vegas wound up! The only thing the airlines have to fear in an onboard casino is how to protect the electronic transfers of money being made.

They could even partition off that section and make it a smoking section where the passengers stay all trip. All you people who say the airlines won't scarifice revenue generating seats are not reading the whole thing. This cann all be done on convertible seats and couches, with capacity in the section close to the original business class capacity, and first class rates being charged with walk up upgrades available to ensure the airline makes the money necessary. If they require a minimum entry pot for the players they will undoubtedly make a profit and earn the business of the travellers looking for something different.

Dang, I'm starting to think it would actually work.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:57 am

Just bring onboard wi-fi & I'll fire up an online casino and that will be that.
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:59 am

Casino gambling is HUGE nowadays! and the A380 is a perfect test bed to see if this can be a profitable venture in the Air.

I really believe with the A380, this will happen sooner rather than later... as there is a lot of money to be made gambling on long haul flights.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:08 am

A lot of this is very reminiscent of what Boeing was offering and suggesting on the 747 when it first came out. Many airlines put bars and lounges onboard, and those went away very quickly, replaced with revenue generating seats (even the L-1011 offered a lounge, but if really was only used by a few operators) So unless the revenues would be more than the amount of revenue seats in that space would generate, you won't see casinos, shops, and gyms onboard an A380. I do think that some airlines will offer private cabins onboard, very much like the sleeper cars onboard trains.

[Edited 2004-07-14 21:09:16]
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:10 am

Airbus has come up with all sorts of interior fitment concepts for the A380. A nice, flashy, marketing ploy. But since airlines are the final authorities on what possible/available interior features are installed, it really is an airline not an Airbus issue.
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:23 am

I'm afraid nop...Just seats and more and more seats my friend  Big grin
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:33 am

I am sure most airlines would pack it with passengers. But I wouldn't rule out completely the casino option.

Today airplanes transports passengers, and everything is free for them. And like Dl021 mentioned casinos are a license to print money. So you would only have to equal the money you loose by loosing seat with the money you get from the casino.
So a little bit mathematics. If you loose 20 eco-seat on a Frankfurt-Hong Kong for installing a casino and everyone of these passengers pays at average 1000euro for its flight you would loose 20.000euro. So this casino must bring in more than 20.000euros to be profitable.
I don't know if there are routes around the world which could bring in so much gambling passengers who would spend such an amount of money. But its not completely unlikely
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:38 am

I think we are still missing the point that there will be passeners seated in revenue generating seats INSIDE the casino section. You would not lose 20 eco seats. You may lose 6 business seats and big deal. On a long enough flight you charge a premium for the section (you could even rotate pax who wish to sleep with those who wish to play for an extra fee). There are couches that could be installed where people would be assigned those seats and all kinds of possibilities. We need to unass this box and think different. There has to be some airline exec out there reading this. TAKE NOTE!!
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:53 am

Oh yeah, I'm sure that airline execs get their ideas from the A.Net message boards.

That last idea would be silly:
- First Class
- Business Class
- Coach Class
- Casino Class
- Bowling Alley Class
- Salon Class
- Brothel Class

Not giving up seats, so instead you get to fly with blinking, flashing, buzzing, and whistling, slot machine in front of you the whole flight for up to 12 hours. If any airline was dumb enough to do this, the ticket should be free and the money made comes from the Casino itself.

This is really one of the silliest ideas I have read. It will keep me laughing for days.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:01 am

So if the roullette ball goes haywire because the plane hits a bump, will people cry 'Foul!!' ? And when the plane makes a turn and chips fall all over the place, how will people know who had what???
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:02 am

Perhaps I'm just being cheap here or something, but the last thing I want is to drop money at a casino. Here in Biloxi, you can drive up and down Highway 90, right along the beach, and there are plenty of large casinos to choose from. To those of you who don't know - casinos sell dreams, and it takes a lot of amenities to bring in the players. I think airlines would be foolish to offer a casino onboard as they cannot provide 100% reliability of the games - that is why casinos have slot floor attendants which are in general quite highly paid as they have very specific knowledge not only of the games, but also of gaming regulations.

If any airline where to offer such - it would be a lamebrained idea which would be a total disaster: TAKE NOTE


HZ747300:
"Not giving up seats, so instead you get to fly with blinking, flashing, buzzing, and whistling, slot machine in front of you the whole flight for up to 12 hours. If any airline was dumb enough to do this, the ticket should be free and the money made comes from the Casino itself.

This is really one of the silliest ideas I have read. It will keep me laughing for days"

I TOTALLY agree with you on this one!!!!!!  Big thumbs up
Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2004-07-14 23:04:59]
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:09 am

@ Hz747300

this idea is not that silly. Mr O`Leary already pointed out that this is one of his long term goals. Flying the passengers for free and getting the money from all the activities around.

It`s a common business strategy to sell your product under price and making your revenue by selling related thinks.

Look at the ink printer market. The printers are very cheap and they are making money later by selling you overpriced cartridges.
You get a mobil phone for free from vodafone but will repay it by your telephoning charges.

Transform this strategy to the airline business and you might get flying casinos.
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:50 am

My two NZ$0.02 on this is that the A380 is rated to carry a certain number of passengers, while it could carry more it may not - for evacuation reasons if nothing else.

Those passengers take up a finite amount of space on the aircraft, if the A380 has more capacity either in volume or weight then it can either pack this with cargo ( which might exceed the weight capacity ) or utilize the volume capacity with other things.

Personally I would prefer more seat pitch, than trying to battle through the scrum to get to the limited places in a lounge/casino etc that once someone sits down they are hardly going to move from.

 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:27 am

Does no one have a sense of humor?

Gambling on board aircraft is coming whether we like it or not. The access to highspeed internet that Connexxion now offers already has brought it on board, and if the airlines are smart they will take advantage. The concept of a lounge for 1st and business class passengers was ill conceived when attempted on early 747's (although it was cool having a piano bar on the TWA domestic 747 service) and were put onto some planes because they could not fill seats on the domestic flights, and others because the airlines were still transitioning mentally from the days of jet travel being rather exclusive and having passengers demanding very high levels of service (anyone remember the restaurant in Pan Am 747's slicing the roast beef at your table?). If you will notice the 747s came off of the domestic flights, and airlines figured out how to use the bird effectivley for long haul.

WHat is now missing from the marketplace (outside of the odd thing here and there like Virgin) is extra amenities that some fliers would pay for. Airlines seem to have gone completely the other direction with their thinking and believe that there is no market for luxury. Well thats a crock, who were the people paying 16000 round trip to fly Concorde? Who are these guys flying BBJ's on charter. Would they spend less to fly the airlines, but still a premium over standard fares if they could get exclusive service?

The lounge/casino class does not have to be a casino for the entire time, but it would be a true money maker while people were spending time on a 15 hour flight. There are enough people right now to justify some airlines flying all business class A-320 types across the pond. If people are willing to pay for extras, the airlines should be looking for ways to provide new and differentiating products. Having a special section of the plane set aside for them would attract the kind of traveller that may even bring back some glamour to travel and make it exciting. Is it a long shot? Will it work? Would it cost anything to do a little market research? What is being risked in terms of missed opportunity?

Instead of ridiculing new ideas, even if they are meant to be somewhat funny perhaps aviation would be better served by welcoming ideas that may seem outlandish in search of something useful (as DARPA does) and maybe we can make things better for the consumer if more people would be willing to think outside of the box and take a risk with some ideas.

And yes, forums such as this are where forward thinking airline execs look to gain insight into the minds of travellers and enthusiasts who will say things their own staff would be too afraid to ever say. They know it's not all on Janes.

So, back to the lounge....how about a floor show? You could make this work..
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:56 pm

They should put slot machines on the outside walls of the bathrooms.. so while people wait to use their bathrooom.. they gamble.. btw.. once you get into the bathroom you'll have to also deposit a quarter.. !! hehe
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:33 pm

Tasha..Delusional?!?!? You wound me! Y'know, they called Bugsy Seigel delusional when he said "Build it and they will come.." way out in the desert, and we see where he wound up.....wait, scratch that, reverse it (a little Wonkaesque paraphrase ), look at how Vegas wound up! The only thing the airlines have to fear in an onboard casino is how to protect the electronic transfers of money being made
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Well, you could have flat machines driven by credit cards. Or it could work by the IFE. But a traditional casino? No way. It will not work to make seats are made convertible to lounge space, as you suggest, even if it could be done. The plane is simply to crowded for this to work. If you restrict the number of people, there you are loosing revenue again.

The reason Vegas worked is because casino gambling was illegal nearly everywhere else those days, and was seen as a seedy business even in the few places it was legal. Also, being far away from existing civilization made it more difficult to enforce the laws that did exit, like the laws against racketeering and prostitution. The land was dirt cheap, being in the middle of a desert.

On an operating jetliner, space(or "land") is not cheap - in fact it would be the most expensive real estate on Earth if it was sold as land. It is also one of the most regulated environments around. Gambling is legal and respected all over the place. A Jetliner today has nearly the opposite environment as the Nevada desert of Bugsy's time.

The only way I can see having an A380 with anything less than a normal load of seats is to have some clever lawyer convince a court that prostitution in legal over international waters. Bugsie would love that.....I could even see him as a flight attendant. He could act as purser for the aircraft and pimp for its brothel  Smile. You could still smell your seatmates body odor in coach. But to be truly first class, you could go see Bugsy's girls and pick up his STD. I'd love to see the complaint letters about that.
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:34 pm

I highly doubt it as it probably will not be very economical unless the gamblers are addicted and the money gained goes straight to the airline Big grin
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:44 pm

...Casinos are a license to print money, and I am sure that some smart person is going to figure out how much will need to be charged on some of these London to Hong Kong or Singapore flights full of businessmen who have 1)money 2) an acknowledged love of gambling and 3)18 hours or so to kill. Heck, consider the idea patented and copyrighted as of now and I will be contacting Mssr, Foregarde (sic) to negotiate a deal.

Various airlines eg. SR had credit-card gambling installed in their onboard IFE systems, but dropped it due to lack of demand. I think most people reckon that gambling against a COMPUTER owned by people who want to take your money, is probably not that smart.

As for a casino on board - naahhh, that's right up there with jacuzzis and massage parlours - looks good on the Airbus PR fluff, but nobody is going to sacrifice space when they can fill it up with seats - the 747 and TriStar experience has taught us that. Look at what Airbus has been offering for years on its widebodies - downstairs bedrooms for F pax - nobody has taken them up, guess why - because they take up cargo space ! Airlines are in the business of getting people from A to B in whatever level of comfort the pax is prepared to pay for. They are not Carnival Cruise Lines, and the onus to keep the pax amused on board starts and ends with a 7in TV screen.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:11 pm

Of course not! It's an absolute marketing ploy!! It will be a cattle-car in economy class! Business and First will be quite nice. But its the same deal as the bar in the upper-deck of the 747; initially it was a paino bar, then it was for business/first class seating. They are going to maximize passenger space.

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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:56 pm

How many seats can the A380 actually have before Airbus is required to add more emergency exits? If the limit isn't too far above the current configuration there could be room for amenities.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:02 pm

Can I interest you in some snake oil?
A cold fusion powerplant in Nigeria maybe?
Or what about a pill that will increase your size by as much as 4 inches?
There's also this plan on how you can earn a million dollar a month sending email.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:22 pm

First of all: the casino wouldn't cost any seats when putting in on the lowest of our 3 decks. When the A346 had restrooms and galleries on the lower deck, the A388 might have also space for something.

This does not cost any seats. It does - perhaps - effect the cargo-space. The need for break-even won't be really that high.

The A388 had better conditions for something like, let's say, a casino. Essential is that is contains more pax then ever before, so more customers.
I will use the casino idea because this is the topic. But also because a casino is the thing what contains everything: relaxing, a game as entertainment, watching and contacting people without losing money, having a drink, watching each others and having the excitement of the wealthy surrounding of a casino. A casino is suitable for everyone! Even kids could look around. A casino brings worth, more the a lounge/bar/massage or something else. A casino does not only deal about gambling.

It is really easy to make a a/c-casino getting profit. First the entrance will be a small or larger amount. People will like to see it and since they pay 1000 EUR for a ticket they will be willing to pay 10 EUR for the casino. They also pay for consumptions in real glasses (safety issue???). And in the end they pay for the gambling. Having 500 people in such plane could generate serious money.

The Airline could also rent the space to companies interested in exploitation. This has a big advantage for the airline: they are always sure about heir money. They don't have to wait for cargo. They simply get paid up by the casino-company. In this case it is also more easy to tell the passengers the casino costs money. Just wait if this happens. And if: how long will it exist?
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:55 pm

I guess it boils down to whether the cost of casino equipment, their weight, expense/maintenance (including their burden on aircraft electrical systems.. remember Swissair 111?) and revenue/profit balances out better than the cost of installing seats, their weight along with it's passengers (if there is one), maintaining them and bringing in revenue/profit from variable fare paying passengers. If the ratio is roughly the same which is more of a guaranteed money maker on the whole? If not which will bring in more profit?

Something tells me if casinos were such a great money maker for airlines it would have been done by now on 747s or even on the newer generation 777s and A340s.

Then there's safety... imagine a crash and all that equipment hurdling forward ontop of passengers and the lawsuits that would follow from the survivors and relatives of victims.

I think passenger seats are a sure bet for a while at least.
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:37 pm

I just can't see Casinos due to what was mentioned above as far as roulette and the weight of coins for slots. Also,how level would a bowling alley be inflight along with the weight of the ball-return mechanism.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:36 pm

In my opinion the A380 will have enough room to host a Casino but as everyone says who/what airline will use it? Look at Virgin they have a bar and massages. It is a natural step.
But as people say is there demand it will be there, but if it is not profitable there it is not going to happened. You could probably fit a casino in a 747, A340, A330, 777, 767 if you wanted but if you lost profit on it, it would be tossed out directly!
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Casino On A-380

Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:21 am

You see..get people talking and we start to identify real objections. Which is the first step to gaining acceptance.

Number one...there would be no coins...the slots can be entirely electronic with credit cards or with bills and payment by cash or electronic transfer. So no weight issues.

number two...People gamble against computers all the time. The biggest money makers in casinos are slot machines, and more people play them than every other type of gaming combined.

number three...Of course the airline keeps the money, I especially like to ide of having a private casino concern run the thing and pay a fee plus a cut to the airline. Will folks do it? It depends on how it is marketed. (I know swiss tried it, but since when are the Swiss the greatest marketers? ) Let Virgin or Singapore try it. DO it on Asian routes where the flights are the longest and people have time on their hands, and it is a fact that gambling is much more accepted and practiced in certain Asian countries. In the US it is still taboo in most states for open gambling (people try to get around it with pari-mutual betting and lotteries, but casinos are typically held to riverboats, reservations and the two cities known for it...there is not a legal casino in every town in the US.) So if the airline can provide this service outside of territorial waters, then more power to them.

number 4...there need be no loose roulette balls flying around as most of the gaming would be electronic with the possibility of a table or two where cards could be dealt. With a well thought out design the casino section could be made partially convertible and seating in the cabin would be filled by paying passengers who will be seated there for takeoff and landing, so airlines could further mitigate any perceived revenue loss and easily realise a profit..

number 5... Hey I was not proposing jaccuzzis or bowling alleys. As a previous poster mentioned Virgin does have massage tables and a bar in their birds, so this idea is perhaps not so far fetched. As I said earlier the previous examples of piano bars and lounges were executed by people who were not really experienced in profit generation in a competitive environment. If this is executed properly it could be a real moneymaking marketing lure for an airline that knows how to execute properly.

Has anyone here done any kind of market research on gambling? Does anyone here understand how much revenue is generated by gambling for the establishments that provide hosting services or casinos? This really could work if properly done. The question is who is willing to take the risk and try it out.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:47 am

It not gonna happening with A380 for having with casino either and it will use with the bar and etc.
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:58 am

I don´t understand why on earth this subject always comes up in connection with the A380 (only rational reason I can imagine is the excitement of a new plane coming on stream). As someone said further up, this is not a specific plane issue, but an airline issue. The fact that the A380 will be bigger than other planes doesn´t mean anything in this respect. Couldn´t all these amenities be fitted just as well in 747s, 777s or other Airbus models? The reason why they´re not is the same one that explains why they won´t be introduced in the A380 either!!
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:23 am

I am young and the 747 has always been there. But I am now asking the older more wise people on this site if they know if there was the same ideas floating around when the original JumboJet was introduced?
 
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:29 am

who were the people paying 16000 round trip to fly Concorde?

...careless spenders? Considering that you could've gotten three roundtrip Concorde rides for that sorta funds if you knew how  Big grin
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:31 am

As a "casino veteran" (that means that I have visited and played in a number of them, I don't work in the industry) I'll give my two cents.
It is obvious that many people on this thread have not paid close attention to the casino/gambling industry. It's everywhere.
First, there are CASINOS in 25 of the states in the United States. That does not include lotteries, card rooms, horse tracks, etc. Someone said that besides the "two cities" (I assume that's Las Vegas and Atlantic City, which ignores Reno), there are no other casinos in this country. That is incorrect.
Also, people are not aware of the new technology. The new trend is for slot machines to pay people electronically. No coins needed. I could see an airline paying in "vouchers" if you win a big prize. So you win a certain amount but that means you receive a specific type of trip on that airline, no cash given. That would be one way for airlines to minimize negative cash flow.
It would be obvious that no airline would run a casino. This would be contracted to a private operator. These companies are the ones that run all the indian casinos in the U.S. Of course, there are many reputable operators outside the U.S. also.
As far as the roulette table, they use it on cruise ships and the ball doesn't fly out. This is because the roulette wheel sits on a platform that moves independently of the table, thus staying level at all times. I am not a technical person, I just know the technology exists.
So, back to the 380, this plane is being mentioned because, under current specifications, it seems that the plane has more room than it needs for 555 seats. So, the idea of a casino/lounge is feasible because the space won't be used as effectively. If the 380 is allowed to carry 700 pax, then I could see any type of amenities being discontinued.
There are A LOT of people in this world who love to sit at a casino table and try to make money. It is not only the Asian players, who are notorious, but people of all races and cultures. Many people don't use electronic gambling because they don't trust it. But they'll blow a thousand dollars/pounds/euros in a second if given a chance.
The question is about room. If the space is available, we could be seeing a casino soon. This is not discussed about a 777 or any other aircraft because those planes are filled to the max.
My opinion.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:32 am

a few months ago, singapore airlines did a study with our frequent fliers regarding the space usage of the upcoming a380s. i heard that there will be enough (windowless) space by both staircases (forward and aft, as well as lower and upper decks) to be utilized as bar/lounge, duty free shop, etc.
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RE: Will A380 Really Have A Casino Onboard?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:52 am

Casino ..... on planes? Bad idea.

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