trijetfan1
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Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:56 am

Which one is doing better in terms of orders and progression? (and anything else)
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frugalqxnwa
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:03 am

The A380 prototype is currently under construction with the first flight due either late this year or early '05, and certification and service entry in '06. The 7E7 has 62 confirmed orders and is still in the design phase with expected entry into service in '08.

However, given that the two aircraft are built for completely different segments of the airliner market any comparison will most likely be purely opinion. Nonetheless, my opinion is that they are doing about equally well considering the circumstances of each. The A380 has sold very well considering the limited market for that size of aircraft and that it has yet to fly. The 7E7 is also doing very well with 62 orders just 6 months after it was offered to airlines for purchase.
 
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:07 am

Way too early to say. For one thing, you raise the issue of comparing aircraft of radically different sizes. It is much more complicated to compare the 7E7 to the A380 when, for example, it is easy to compare the A320 and 737NG.

I'd say if the 7E7 out-sells the A380 by a ratio of 4:1 then the 7E7 is more sucessful. That is to say, 4 7E7s for every A380. I am using total seats sold as a measure of success-

4 x 7E7 (200 pax) = 600 seats
1 x A380 (550 pax) = 550 seats
 
frugalqxnwa
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:13 am

Dfw,

I hadn't thought of the seat capacity being used to compare the two, but makes sense. Anyways, if the "proposed acceptances" being discussed in another thread come true, then the 7E7 will be the hottest selling widebody.
 
Tasha
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:16 am

DfwRevolution:

Your comparing apples with oranges - while both are good for you, they are not alike. If you would like a comparison:

B7e7 vs. A330

B747 vs. A380

B737 vs. A320

now you can compare...

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trijetfan1
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:16 am

What would cost more 1 380 or 4 7E7's?
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:23 am

um Dfw, I didn't do great at math but isn't 4x200=800?

Therefore a 3:1 outsell would be considered a success?

I believe that pricewise 1 A380 = 2.2 7e7's

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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:27 am

Tasha,

I believe dfw was attempting to do what we all are trying to do in this thread, find some way that we actually can compare apples to oranges. Both he and I agree that any comparison is mainly opinion, and therefore are voicing our opinions about the two projects in comparison. Some A lovers would say that the A380 is doing better because of more units sold, some B lovers would say the 7E7 is doing better because of the "proposed acceptances", and then the sane among us (most regulars on this forum, regardless of their A or B leanings) will way there is really no tangible comparison, but may or may not state their opinions anyways.
 
DfwRevolution
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:29 am

Your comparing apples with oranges - while both are good for you, they are not alike. If you would like a comparison:

That's exactly what I said in my reply, hence why I compared total seats sold. Whether you like it or not, you are going to have to compare these aircraft because, for now, these two aircraft are what their respective manufactures are pinning their future on. If anyone has a better comparison that seats sold, I'm open to suggestions.

What would cost more 1 380 or 4 7E7's?

1 A380 = about $220 million at list price
1 7E7-8 = about $110-120 million at list price

And yes, my mistake... I guess a ratio of 3:1 would do

[Edited 2004-07-15 04:31:40]
 
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:41 am

Being that the A380 was launched 4 years before the 7E7, of course the A380 should have more orders now. The A380 has around 130 orders currently. Wait until 2008 and see how many orders the 7E7 has before you compare them, or else find out how many orders the A380 had 3-4 months after its launch.
 
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RE: Which Is Doing Better- 7E7 Or The 380?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:33 pm

All that is very interesting to us, but in reality, ratios and retail price are meaningless next to profit. Does anyone here have any idea what the profit will be (approx) for either aircraft that sells, and then can some of our rocket scientists (aerobalance) figure out the casm for the airplane so we can measure it against passenger loads and ticket prices over the years, because that will be the test for the airlines. Which of these two makes them more money. (Maybe projections can be made with a PERT chart or some type of modeling based on forecasts of the marketplace.)
If we can figure that then we can come up with The manufacturer that makes the most money on their aircraft (combination of profit per aircraft and number sold lets you arrive at a total profit picture for the manufacturer) is the one that returns the greatest value to its shareholders. The airliner that earns the most profit for its airline is the one that makes wins that end of this little competition between oranges and grapefruit.
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