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Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:32 am

There was a rumour that Thai will order the A380.Any more news about that?hope they fly it to MEL.
Also last month's Airlinerworld wrote that South African Airways is considering the superjumbo.
 
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:36 am

I can see Thai, but can SAA fill a A380, except on perhaps the JNB-LHR run?

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:37 am

I think Thai has already committed to purchasing the A380? Maybe they are holding off until the air show. As for SAA... I havn't heard anything.
 
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:59 am

The A380 is the logical option for SAA for their LHR-routes. Its not likely that they could get new slots for expanding their flights. So their only option to grow is the A380. Today they have two daily flights by 744`s from JNB and one from CPT. And while the jumbos becoming older it wouldn't make sense to replace them with smaller 346`s. So 6 A380`s for all their LHR-routes wouldn't surprise me.
 
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:00 pm

Is that make already orders with TG & SA of A380 yet?
 
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:54 pm

While I have no hard proof I am convinced that the Chinese will be on the order books in the not too distant future. Recently I flew China Eastern and in their in flight mag there was a short article in English on how the A380 would fit into their fleet and also the five Chinese airports that are planning to upgrade facilities to handle the A380. Given that I don't know any airline flying into a Chinese port that might use their A380s there, I wopuld have to assume that the infrastructure upgrade is to accomodate A380's within the Chinese fleets, (Probably Air China, China Eastern and maybe China Southern)
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:57 pm

SAA have kept the 744's specifically to operate the LHR route, because they can pack more people in than on the A346. I would say they could easily fill A380's on the JNB/CPT-LHR routes, and maintain double-daily JNB flights.
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:32 pm

I´m hoping for BA JAL AA CO to order A388  Big thumbs up

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:30 pm

I am hoping NZ will, but they would have no use for it unless used on LAX and LHR routes which would still be long shots. Besides LHR what would SAA use them for?
 
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:50 pm

Re: Besides LHR what would SAA use them for?

Nothing - except maybe JNB-DUR at Easter and Christmas. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:43 pm

Would ANA or JAL ever over the A380? I doubt it would happen, but I think it would make sence if they did go for the 'superjumbo'.
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:34 pm

Re: Besides LHR what would SAA use them for?
Maybe AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA. AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA is also a main point in SAA's long haul system. LHR and AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA are the only two cities to which SAA would fly the A380 from their main hub JNB.

Perhaps Cargolux will be the second customer to order the A380 Freighter, first is Fed Ex. Cargolux currently has an all young 747-400F fleet, the oldest being only 10 years old, but sometimes next decade they will need to start phasing in a replacement, maybe they will continue with newer 747-400F's but if Boeing decides to close the 747 production line then maybe Cargolux will consider ordering the A380-800F.

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:11 pm

What will JAL do when 744ER´s getting old? Go over to 773ER (too small) or buy A388 (perfect for JAL)?? That goes for ANA too IMO... Big grin

JAL/ANA have some agreement with Boeing, right??

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:26 pm

In JAL's case they have already decided and have gone to the 773ER. The only agreement JAL/ANA have with Boeing is the individual orders each have in place. In addition to the 773ER's for JAL, ANA has the order for the 7E7's to replace 767's as they retire and the 737NG's which will start replacing A320's in the near term.
 
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:36 pm

Wow Warren, what a wise analysis. "From this forum we have learnt that the plane is over weight" - do you think JAL and ANA make their decisions based on such forum talk?  Laugh out loud

And the plane is not based on projections - it will actually fly in a few months. So the B7E7 is much more a projection in comparison. At the end both types will satisfy their customers.

Btw, following your logic, all current A380 customers are dumb, right? Hm, I'm only wondering why dumb airlines like Lufthansa, Air France, Qantas, Singapore Als, Virgin Atlantic, Emirates or Qatar Airways are able to make big profits, while oh so wise airlines such as JAL and ANA have not been able to fly anyhwere else than in the red for years? Maybe your definition of dumb is somehow different?  Wink/being sarcastic


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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:55 pm

Is that something about more new A380 customers for TG & SA? Is that plans for orders them with A380.
 
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:47 am

from this forum we already learned that it is already 12 tons over weight.

No we haven't. We've heard hearsay.

At any rate, an A380 would also be able to op nonstop to the US with little if any weight restriction, especially from CPT. SAA has always wanted to be able to carry a larger load on their route (currently to ATL), and the 380 is the way to do it.

Obviously, Heathrow is a huge driver.

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:57 am

So much for the weight issue:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5677884

Nice quote from another forum:
"It's funny how the most controversial aircraft of their time are the ones that are European showing the Yanks that we can beat them at their own game.

Don't act so bruised guys, I'm sure that when the 7E7 turns up it'll be really......erm.......efficient......"

 
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:46 am

As a side note,the tourism industry to SA grows each and every year as more amd more pople visit the country.

Give it a few years an they WILL need A380's and not just to LHR.
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:12 am

It seems like there would definitely be a place for a small number of A380s in the SAA fleet. I could also see that kind of capacity working out for several Asian carriers.

As for the article quoted by Aerosol, it really doesn't say much. It certainly doesn't say the A380 will not be overweight, it says specifically "there will be no weight problems". However, there are no facts and figures or much of anything included in that article. That could mean anything, including "the aircraft is heavier than planned, but we will still reach our efficiency targets". It could also be like Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sex with that woman", all depends on your definition of the word "weight problems", just like Clinton's definition of sex was different than most people's.  Smile
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:42 am

@American 767/Ben Soriano:

Perhaps Cargolux will be the second customer to order the A380 Freighter, first is Fed Ex.

The A380F already has two customers: Emirates and FedEx.

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:01 am

But SAA is already flying the A346 which is suppose to do fly to U.S. East coast non-stop both ways and it now has changed to 1 stop on many days.
On such a long flight it will be the same issue with the A380 having advertised non-stop heavily all year around and then we can blame on the winds again.
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:15 am

I second that, Udo  Big thumbs up

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:39 am

But SAA is already flying the A346 which is suppose to do fly to U.S. East coast non-stop both ways and it now has changed to 1 stop on many days.


To accomodate cargo. They'd rather carry all the cargo and go one-stop 100% of the time than have to offload cargo based on the wind. The nonstop flights were strictly trial run, and nobody but you really expected they'd go nonstop year round.

On such a long flight it will be the same issue with the A380 having advertised non-stop heavily all year around and then we can blame on the winds again.

What makes you say that? Do you have facts and figures? No? Good, nobody else does either.

The A380-800 has a significantly higher range than the A340-600. There's little reason to doubt it at this point, until we see it fly.

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:48 am

American 767, I think cargolux is more interested in palletized cargo than package freight. The 744F has one great advantage there: the big cargo door. If nothing else, it allows you to carry oversize loads.
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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:26 am

I'm probably dreaming again, but how about the 380 for KLM and AF for their routes to their colonies and ex-colonies? KL and AF are always totally overbooked.

( wishfull thinking........  Laugh out loud )

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:31 am

@KL911.

Well AF already has A380s on order.

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RE: Thai And SAA The Next A380 Customers?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:36 am

Teahan,

oops, I totally forgot that........... It's getting late here.........

Anyway, let's hope KL orders them too, then they can work together for the maintenance......

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