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Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:11 pm

Could someone please solve a long-running argument that I had with a friend who was employed by Caledonian Airways?

He insists that the Caledonian Airways of recent years, that ran charter flights on behalf of UK tour operators, was formerly British Caledonian.

I told him he was wrong – British Caledonian was taken over by BA who subsequently decided to call their charter arm 'Caledonian' and this used British Caledonian's livery (albeit modified) and tartan uniforms, but was in no way a revamped British Caledonian. Eventually BA sold Caledonian to a tour operator, so the new Caledonian Airways had as much resemblance to British Caledonian as the new PanAm has to the great PanAm.

Normally I would drop the argument, but now two other people who worked for Caledonian have said that my friend is 100% correct and I am wrong. Am I?

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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:17 pm

I think your version is correct. BCal was bought by BA and merged entirely into the BA mainline operation. BA then decided to rename their old British Airtours outfit "Caledonian", which was later sold to one of the UK charter operations (I forget which - they change about every 6 months anyway).
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:28 pm

You are correct - the original BCal had a schedule network to europe plus longhaul to many destinations worldwide all based at Gatwick.

The 2nd Caledonian was a charter operation only: BA combined its charter operations, those of the original BCal, plus picked up a few contracts and relaunched the Caledonian name. I believe that Caledonian (2nd) operated with ex-BA 1011s at the beginning.
 
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:05 pm

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Caledonian Airways later merged with Flying Colours, to form JMC Air. JMC Air was later re-branded to the current Thomas Cook Airlines (UK), so British Airtours still lives on in its own way, within this airline....
 
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:12 pm

The Caledonian name was used because of the good image that it had in the marketplace, ...that, and the easily recognisable livery.

The initial aircraft were all ex-BA and ex-British Airtours.
 
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:17 pm

I suppose the 1985 British Airtours tragedy at MAN didn't help the image of British Airtours either.... I'm sure this will have had something, if a little, to do with the brand change.

It was also a good way of keeping the much-loved 'Golden Lion' in the sky too...
 
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:17 am

Flew on a Caledonian 757 from LGW to Paris BeaUvais on a student special in 1990. I remember that the ticket was about £80 return- for under 26's only- which was a real bargain at the time.

It is easy to criticise LCC's, but they have democratised air travel in such a way that I could probably get an even cheaper fare these days using BA, BD or AF, not to mention Bmibaby, Easyjet etc.

 
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:19 am

Caledonian was sold to the Inspirations group. As everyone else has pointed out Caledonian Airways was a rebranded British Airtours. Retained the association without actually carrying on the BCal name. The Lion logo was stylised and a modified version of the BA colours applied - looked stylish, shame they didn't apply a yellow speedwing instead of the full wrap cheatline. All aircraft were named after Scottish lochs.

The 737-236s were replaced by 757-236s, four purchased by BA plus two ex-Air Europe examples leased in. There were also six L.1011 TriStars, later joined by a DC-10 when Caledonian started serving NAS, GCM, SJU and TPA on behalf of BA.
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:31 am

I suppose the 1985 British Airtours tragedy at MAN didn't help the image of British Airtours either.... I'm sure this will have had something, if a little, to do with the brand change.



It certainly did.

Caledonian was rebranded to dispense with that KT (British Airtours' old flight prefix) name and its tragic link to an accident on British soil. The accident happening in Britain meant it was reported in greater depth and stuck in the public mind.
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:35 am

Whitehatter, the British Airtours name went but the KT flight prefix was retained by Caledonian Airways, rather than the old BCal prefix of BR (Now used by Eva Air of Taiwan).
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:38 pm

FlyCaledonian - Do you know what the 3-letter prefix was for British Airtours?

British Airtours:
IATA: KT
ICAO: ???

Caledonian Airways:
IATA: KG (I think this was changed from KT; KG was previously Orion Airways)
ICAO: CKT
 
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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:08 pm

Caledonian continued to use the KT code for some time after being re-branded from British Airtours, I flew MAN-FAO-MAN in October 1990 on G-BPEB, they were still using the KT code then. The CKT code was introduced a couple of years later.

As I remember, the KG code obtained and used for Caledonian's no-frills charter services, initially under the Atlanta Airways/International Airways banner, to distance the cheaper service from the Caledonian brand.

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These flights were mainly flown by appropriately registered G-CEAP!

I think they continued to use the KG code when the no-fills operation was re-braned (again!) as Peach Air, when flights were operated by 2 different airlines under the same brand - Air Atlanta (TriStar) and Sabre (737)

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Hard to believe it was that recent - seems like much longer ago!

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RE: Was Caledonian Airways A Revamped BCal?

Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:45 pm

Ah yes, Peach Air. Remember seeing a few of their L1011s in TFS a few years ago...couldnt resist the comment "Look, there's a basket of PeachAirs"  Laugh out loud
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