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OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:42 am

i know australia-south africa and egypt-australia are the only route between autralia and africa.. when did QF pulled out of harare?
any other flights operate between the 2 regions/
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:50 am

Air Zimbabwe and Air Mauritius used to serve Perth if I'm not mistaken.
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:26 am

Air Zimbabwe don't fly to PER - they used to codeshare on the QF flights
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:26 am

Hi Airmale, hope you have been well.

Air Zimbabwe never flew to Australia with their own metal. They used to codeshare with Qantas with the B747-300 service to Perth. Air Mauritius has now expanded their service to Sydney, Melbourne and as you mentioned Perth. The Sydney flight is an extension of the Perth flight.

Also, Egyptair pulled out of Australia last year, so the only links between OZ and Africa at the moment is SAA and Air Mauritius.

Hope this clears things up  Smile
 
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:34 am

thats great thanks any ideas why MS pulled out/ looks around for Horus LOL
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:28 am

There won't be any white Zimbabweans left by the end of the year, so no more need for HRE-PER/SYD code shares.
 
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:35 am

MHTMDW, no offence but dont black zimbabwean travel?
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:48 am

Also, Egyptair pulled out of Australia last year, so the only links between OZ and Africa at the moment is SAA and Air Mauritius.

Don't forget QF! They fly into JNB.
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:54 am

Soups: Indeed they do. I agree the tone of the post may come across wrong and slight that community and their situation, which is far bleaker that their white counterparts. One million African farmworkers and their families destitute and countless others on the verge of starvation due to one man's megalomania. I was alluding to the one-way traffic of white Zimbos to the Antipodes. I have met black Zimbabweans (one was a FO on a BE1900)in the US and Canada who are torn between the ties to home and the bleak prospects of ever going back. It was quite jarring to hear one of them say how much better things were when Smith was in charge. .
 
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:28 am

OZ-Africa routes as follows:

MK: SYD-MEL-MRU & PER-MRU
SA: PER-JNB
QF: SYD-JNB. Flight operated to HRE instead of JNB when Australia imposed sanctions on South Africa.

Only other service was the now suspended Egyptair SYD-SIN-CAI route and the extremely short-lived PER-SEZ via Ligne Aerienne Seychelles.
 
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:32 am

Soups, Egyptair operated 3x weekly CAI-SIN-SYD A340 flights, but they suspended the flights in 2002 as load factors were only averaging 70% (due to the effects of 9/11). It is a shame really as they were close to launching MEL flights (largest Egyptian population live in Melbourne). They now co-operate with SQ to get passengers between Oz and Egypt.


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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:34 am

I'd be interested to know if any other flights have such a big difference in flight time for the opposing routes, I flew JNB-SYD in October 2001 and the flight time was about 11 hours, the return flight was 14 hours!
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:30 pm

A little off the topic, but of interest anyway... during the 1st Gulf War in 1991, when airlines were avoiding all Mid-East airspace, most a/c ex Australia to Europe flew north ex BKK or SIN, through Pakistani and Russian airspace to Europe. There was one carrier that didn't. I flew on UTA (remember them?) B744 SYD/CDG via SIN and NBO !! This was fairly short-lived, but was and it remains, I think, the only ever direct conection between Aust. & East Africa.
 
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:19 pm

Eta unknown

You forgot QF's CAI service! Operated for about 30 years between 1950' and some time in the later 70's as a stop on the Kangaroo route to London.

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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:31 pm

This might be a little off topic, but does anyone know why IB and QF don't commercialize the MAD-JNB-SYD route. This is the route I did last year as a non-rev and from Spain is a very convenient route.
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RE: OZ-Africa Routes

Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:37 pm

Re why IB and QF don't commercialize the MAD-JNB-SYD route ?

BA and QF had the notion a few years back to have the BA aircraft that spend all day in JNB actually used by QF to operate JNB-SYD-JNB roundtrips before returning to LHR, to improve utilization - either that, or have QF operate JNB-LHR legs on behalf of BA - there was some issue because neither could use foreign-registered aircraft to operate routes out of SA, I believe. Would have been a good idea.

JNB is actually quite a good stopover point en route Europe-Australia, it makes the trip a big longer coming back because of the enormous headwinds on the westbound Southern Ocean leg, but eastbound its pretty quick.
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