SBE727
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Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:47 pm

HI THERE,

Can anyone tell me how easy it is to get traffic rights to Australia and Africa from the UK.

This would ony be for a short period of time ( 6-8wk)

Would they see it as competition to other National or Established carriers or would they see it as just adding extra capacity during what would be a very busy time.

many thx

sbe727

 
SBE727
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:55 pm

Anyone got any ideas... really appreciate any info you may have.

Many thx

sbe727
 
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:12 pm

I suggest you talk to your Planning and Operations Departments.


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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:22 pm

OK, I'll bite.

Oz, the question is how much of the available capacity under the bilateral is being used? I belive that capacity is 28 services per week, as QF currently has 21 services and is looking to add the last seven, but is being opposed by Backpackers Express who want five of them. Therefore I presume British airlines can have 28 services per week.

AFAIK BA have 14 & VS is taking seven from November, leaving a nominal 7 weekly available. How likely the UK government is to give them to you, I havent the foggiest.

In regard to Africa, there is NO SUCH PLACE, as far as traffic rights go. There are 20+ countries in Africa and traffic rights belong seperately to each of them. If you wanted rights to say, Chad I'd say your chances are good! If you want the Republic of South Africa, I'd say not so good!


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SBE727
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:33 am

Many thx for your response there GEMUSER, much appreciated, i suppose each case would be dealt with on an individual basis as to how much capacity etc you would be using.

Many thx

sbe727
 
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:16 am

Gemuser there are almost 50 countries in Africa!
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:42 pm

Well that fits in with 20+ does it not!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I got to 20 and thought thats enough brain strain for one night, particularly the last night of the winter holidays, so 20+ will do!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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SBE727
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:11 pm

Thx for the above,

I was probabbly thinking towards routes into Accra, Lagos, Banjul, Harare, those kinda places.

Cheers guys

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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:19 pm

Are Traffic rights to the UK are really hard to get? I know that NZ have been pushing for a second slot at London for quite a while now.
 
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:02 pm

Good luck getting rights into Lagos but Banjul should be a different matter.
 
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:05 am

BA actually has 21 flights per week UK-Australia (LHR-BKK-SYD, LHR-SIN-SYD and LHR-SIN-MEL), with VS looking at adding the remaining seven with LHR-HKG-SYD.

QF will have all 28 frequencies by next year. Currently has daily SYD-BKK-LHR, SYD-SIN-LHR and MEL-SIN-LHR. Will add this winter three times weekly SYD-HKG-LHR and PER-SIN-LHR, plus an additional SYD-HKG-LHR early next year.

So all the current frequencies are taken.
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RE: Traffic Rights From London - Australia/Africa

Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:47 pm

Not quite FlyCaledonion. QF have applied for the final seven weekly flights but are being opposed by Backpakers Express who want 5 of them. The IASC has issued a draft determination on 9/7/04 that proposes to give them to QF and it is now open for comment until 23/7.

This is an unusal course of action, it seems that the commission has doubts about wether QF have the rights, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, to use the flights (this has legal ramafications which suggest that the flight should not be allocated now if the not going to be operated for 9 months) it suggests rather than says that maybe in 9 months Backpackers will have a creditable case.

See for your self at http://www.iasc.gov.au/iasccurr.aspx Good luck with the legal mumbo jumbo

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