Blackbird1331
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MAX PAX For A380

Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:04 am

I just read an article on the JAL123 crash in 1983. Still the most single deadliest airplane crash to date. It was a 747SP-46 and could carry over 550 people according to the article. (A prayer for all the lost souls). Was the 747 designed to carry that many pax? That is the number quoted for the A380. Is that the maximum number Boeing advertised? What is the maximum the A380 will carry on short haul?

You can view that article at http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-jal123.shtml

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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:11 am

Airbus states the A380 can hold 555 in a 3 class configuration.

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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:16 am

I just read an article on the JAL123 crash in 1983. Still the most single deadliest airplane crash to date. It was a 747SP-46 and could carry over 550 people according to the article.

I don't believe it was a 747SP but a 747SR. The SP was a 747 shrink that increased range to pionner some city pairs we take for granted today. The SR was a full 747 with reduced range, MTOW, passenger amenities, and gallies to accomodate as many passengers as possible.. thus making it a short/medium-haul aircraft. It was replaced by the 747-400D (Domestic) that was and is popular with ANA and JAL. To fit this many people, it is basically an all-economy configuration with no business and very few first-class seats.

Only these versions (747SR and 744D) were designed to transport this many people.
 
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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:16 am

I think that I read somewhere that the A380 could hold around 800 people in a one class configuration.

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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:42 am

DfwRevolution: You are very much in the know. The SR is "Short Range". Thank you.
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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:30 am

On entry into service, it will be certified for 560 passengers (this was as of Jan of this year).
Higher loads will be allowed pending further testing of the evacuation system.
Airbus decided it was better to 'pass' at 560....than to have cert issues with over 700--particularly when there is no customer for the high density config.

Fairly astute move.
 
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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:09 am

On entry into service, it will be certified for 560 passengers (this was as of Jan of this year).
Higher loads will be allowed pending further testing of the evacuation system.
Airbus decided it was better to 'pass' at 560....than to have cert issues with over 700--particularly when there is no customer for the high density config.

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That isn't what Airbus have said in the last week;

There is a long article about the A380 in this week's Flight International Farnborough Special Edition.

The main points concerning the A380's cabin interior are as follows:
• The A380 offers 35% more seats than the B747-400, but has a 50% increase in floor-space.
• The main deck of the A380 is 0.48m (19in) wider than the 744
• The upper deck of the A380 is 1.86m (73in) wider than the 744
• Economy class seats on the A380 will be 3.3cm (1.3in) wider than on the 744
• The baseline 3-class layout for the A380 is 555, but Airbus expects most cutomers to opt for less dense configurations
• One possible option is a premium economy section on the main-deck with extra-wide 25in seats at 8-abreast and 38in pitch
• The exit limit for the A380-800 will be over 800 seats - Airbus intends to run an actual evacuation trial for this number of people during the certification process, despite no current customer planning a seating density anthing approaching 800 seats

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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:04 am

I'm sure there will eventually be Japanese domestic A380s, as there are 747s that WILL have the high-density single-class seating of 800; Airbus will just have to go through the certification process for that version, including daunting evacuation tests. If 747-400Ds carry nearly 600 now, 800 for an A380-800D should be no problem, aside from any evacuation woes. In the future, expect A380-900Ds carrying 1000 or more (can you imagine THOSE evacuation drills?  Wow! ).
 
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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:21 am

Not just for this airliner, but it seems all those evacuation slides are on the port side of the plane. Are there plans for the starboard side should the port side of the plane be blocked?
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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:30 am

It states right at the begining of the article that is was a SR not a SP

The Boeing 747SR (Short Range) is an aircraft that was designed to be used on short, high-density routes. Due to its lower fuel capacity, it is capable of carrying over 550 passengers. For Japan Airlines 747SR, JA8119, Monday August 12, 1985 began no different than any other day. The aircraft had previously flown in from Kyushu and had arrived back at Haneda, Tokyo at 5:17 p.m. The aircraft was refuelled and new flight crew boarded, while the cabin crew remained from the previous flight. The only anamoly on this flight was that the First Officer was being upgraded by a Check Captain for promotion himself to Captain. JAL123, which was the assigned flight number for this trip, taxiied away from the gate at 6:04pm with 509 passengers on board, ready for the flight to the industrial city of Osaka which was 400km away.
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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:09 am

Charters will be able to carry around 1000.
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RE: MAX PAX For A380

Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:39 am

Squirrel83: Thank you for the post, but, please change that color. I did note my mistake in a second post. Please read replys numbers 2 and 4. Thank you.
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