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Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:56 pm

I know their job is to fly and serve, and they could do that on an all white plane, but do good/bad corporate images make a difference to their attitude? how does a flight crew feel bringing in a good liveired plane into an airport compared with something lousy.

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Sammyhostie
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:06 pm

It dosent really matter mate.

Yes its nice when youre under the wing, boarding passengers, but at the end of the day we dont see the outside of the plane very much.
 
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:09 pm

That's like asking "Does the color of pen that signs you paycheck matter?"....


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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:11 pm

Excellent analogy UA777222
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:19 pm

Just like it doesn't really matter if you're flying on a 'plane in an extraordinarily special livery or a masterful, all-white colour. It may look pleasing to the eye while boarding (say via steps) or when looking at it from a distance, but it won't really increase the enjoyment of your flight.
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:24 pm

You can say that again I was on an NW DC-9 with the old livery, and it was an excellent flight, and I was on an NW DC-9 with the new livery, and it was only a good flight. Sorry, had to say it about the NW DC-9's.

LOL. OK, actually, that very same stuff true, just in a 757. Probably because on the old livery flight, I was going to my vacation spot, and new livery flight was coming home for school.
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:58 pm

It does. Also NW DC9 pilots are very old and AF crews don't take too many showers.
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:35 am

I would think that there may be a slight change with interior things. I mean, if the seats and bulkheads are nauseating, that would affect MY performance!
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:11 am

I can say with quite a bit of certainty that it does. I remember the furore it caused when AI changed its livery about 15 years ago. AI staff were amongst the most vociferous in criticising the change. The AI livery with the palace window design and the Maharajah hand painted on the inside of each airplane door did give an image of India as a place of kings, palaces and the exotic. AI's crew at one given time (the glorious seventies) did consciously try to live up to that image... And boy, did they succeed!!

Even though the service standards deteriorated immensely at the carrier, it is quite heartening to see some of the older and senior Pursers and F/As (despite their physical appearance, avuncular looks, girth etc.) still gamely trying to give you a service worthy of a "Palace in the Sky".

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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:15 am

Well I tend to agree with Innocuous Fox: for the most part the interior of the aircraft is what the crews are most affected by. But on occasion it can be reverse, for instance when we went to the 'new' (at the time) palm-tree design on our 727's and landed at Island destinations without jetways the exterior paint-job really stood out! It really turned a lot of heads in the beginning.
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:14 am

Just ask MESA crews... I'd be willing to bet half the time they wonder who they are flying for, with UAX and USX parts on HPX and HPX parts on USX and UAX planes planes and vice versa. It is especially embarassing when passengers come up to me and ask me "are we taking *that* plane???, how old is it??" Embarrassment

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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:17 am

to serve????????????

I'm surprised you even said that. From what I've read on this site from people who claim to be F/A's, their attitude towards serving a meal and maybe giving a smile or two is tantamount for asking for sexual favors.

And perverse favors at that.
 
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:32 am

I don't think it affects the level of service any, but it might provide a small perk to weary crews. For example, my mom likes flying planes with the new UA interiors and color scheme exteriors. She says many pax comment, for better and worse.

On the other hand, the old Star Alliance color scheme (where the fuselage was painted in 5/6 sections) seemed to get bad reviews from crews. I thought it was a clever idea but my mom said many pilots joked that they were embarrassed to fly the plane and were convinced other crews were laughing at them.

But again, I don't think this has any affect on the service provided pax.
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:41 am

I think it does...

It has to be related to motivation: Under all the other circumstances remaining the same; I think a crew that see a georgeous livery will feel more commited to "match" that image and then it will afect it.

Another way of saying: If you worlk in a office, hospital, hotel etc. Can you say it matters nothing how the building looks outside? Wouldn't you feel better if it's a nice building, well painted and clean? wouln't be kind of sad yo work in a gray old building? and since sad, don't you think that effects the mood?

I do think it matters. Although as I told you: if the best livery airline pays half the average, I'm sure the nice colors won't make the difference. But, ceteris paribus, it does.
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:39 am

The thing that most affects the performance of the crew and staff is the personality of the chairman. When I was on ramp working directly with aircraft crews you get a very good idea how the airline thinks and operates. It was never a surprise to find an underperforming airline had a bozo as a chairman.

Look at Air Europe back in the 80's. The staff was great and the airline really had a sevice mentality. Then look at what's his name who chaired it. A really nice guy.

Things trickle down. Good or bad.
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:42 am

This reminds me of the time i flew ATA from MDW-PHX in 1995...it was on an ex-USAir 727 and they had ATA in little black letters toward the front of the plane.
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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:29 am

Here at AV when they changed the red and white for the ugly white and grey with the butterfly on the tail scheme,
it was not received with great happiness by the flying public or the employees; even though the outside changed noticeably for those of us who fly the airplanes; they are still the same and nothing has changed.

What affected us the most was seeing these ugly butterfly logos stamped everywhere in sight inside the airplane seat covers, cabin divisions, napkins, curtains and all other items on board with the Alianza Summa letterhead printed on everything losing, forgetting and dropping the proud Avianca name from the airline.

Thank god that is over with and we are recovering the Avianca name on everything once more.

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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:40 am

Hmm With Skyservice we have a MULTI coloured fleet. I miss having the uniform looking fleet. Now we have a different colour scheme for each of the tour operators. and some just in plain white with just the skyservice name on the upper part of the plane. Looks soooo boring!! Skyservice is a company as well and we should have a uniform look for all the fleet and the tour operators should have the name posted by the door as the passengers walk on board. OH well what ever brings the money in is all I care about the most.

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RE: Does A Livery Have An Affect On Crews?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:26 am

"AF crews don't take too many showers"


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