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Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:59 pm


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It would be nice to fly in one of those beasts ! Sad that they aren't around anymore.


I often wonder why the development of big flying boats has completely ceased. Is it because they need a large water bodies and that limits their operations only to the coasts or to places with big rivers? or is there some other reason?

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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:15 pm

We had to build runways all over the place during WWII so the need to land on water wasn't needed anymore.

That and Seaplane have heavier structures, and those hulls aren't the most aerodynamic shapes out there so they where slower and less efficent then their land based competitors.
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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:22 pm

Also, they were more prone to accidents due to foreign objects in the water they were landing on. Boats were also lost when they broke from their moorings in storms and the like.

As such, it's more efficient all round to fly from land based runways. It is a shame though, I'd love to be able to go on one of the old flying boats!

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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:21 pm

Not really more efficient (or they'd have built those runways in the first place in the 1920s and '30s) but the reliance on water became ever more a problem.
People who lived more than a short distance from the coast were effectively shut off from airtravel.

Then too aircraft size was limited. I doubt a flying boat much larger than the Boeing 314 would have been feasible for example.

Plus of course that in strong wind you couldn't operate because the waves were too high.

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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:00 am

They are hardly dead.....



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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:49 am

Some drawbacks to the flying boats... very difficult to make an unscheduled landing in places like Iowa. Also, plowing the snow off of a harbor is really difficult  Smile
 
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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:19 am

Flying boats were developed to meet a need given the technology and airports (or lack thereof) at the time.

I really appreciate the looks of these things. But multi-day hops across the oceans aren't my idea of fun although I guess it could be comparable to a cruise in some respects.
 
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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:24 am

Then too aircraft size was limited. I doubt a flying boat much larger than the Boeing 314 would have been feasible for example.

While I agree with your other statements, unless I am mistaken the 314 was not that large compared to the Martin Mars (http://www.martinmars.com/), the Saunders-Roe Princess (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Saunders-Roe%20Princess) and the Spruce Goose (http://www.sprucegoose.org/aircraft_artifacts/Aircraft/PostWarYears/HK-1.htm). Granted, that last was not very succesful to say the least, but the Mars is still in service today.

And if you want really big "flying boats", let's talk Ekranoplan!!! (http://www.fact-index.com/e/ek/ekranoplan.html)
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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:26 am

The Russians are still building flying boats for various applications. Latest is the Be-200 http://www.aviation.ru/Be/Be-200.jpg

Now THIS is a flying boat!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:43 am

Miami-based regional airline Chalk's Ocean Airways still offers regulary scheduled commuter flights between South Florida and the Bahamas with Grunman Mallards. They are currently in the process of starting construction on a new airport terminal in downtown Miami to replace the old one.
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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:47 am

Yes, it is only for the small aircraft to Bahamas flight and what kind of those aircraft? I need with your answer to me? Thanks!
 
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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:49 am

MAH4546,

Chalks is now based in FLL.

The Miami terminal is still there but with Coast Guard regulations limiting the seaplanes and the cruise ships operations at the same time the station has been suspended since 9/11. There may be some movement on that over the next few weeks.

Also Chalks is looking at bringing back the G-111's with Turbine PW118As in the future along with the BE210 as a future option.

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RE: Flying Boats - Why Are They No More?

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:58 am

very difficult to make an unscheduled landing in places like Iowa

Actually with the extra strengthening because of the hull you are a lot less likely to damage a hull on a ground landing. Figure everything that can get torn up like props and engines are mounted high.

Now try and land a Goose with the wheels down on water....and you will flip it, and most likely tear the airplane in half.
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