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AeroWorld Reporting Boeing To Launch 747X & 777X

Sun Feb 20, 2000 7:08 am

AeroWorld, a daily aerospace news magazine is reporting that at Asian Aerospace Boeing is to launch the 747X and 777X with several launch customers. Airlines have expressed that they want a large Boeing aircraft to supplement their current 747s. Airbus is getting nervous about the 747X which promises to match the A3XX economics, and executives now talk in terms of the aircraft's market appeal to push sales. Airbus is also scared about the 777X has it has been rumored that Boeing has revamped it and nearly improved performance to out match the A340ND by nearly 20%.
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RE: AeroWorld Reporting Boeing To Launch 747X & 777X

Sun Feb 20, 2000 7:13 am

The launch will prove that Boeing will climb back to the top and grab Airbus' makret share. I believe the eventual 777X users will be:

1. CX
2. QF
3. SQ
4. EV
5. Af
6. AA
7. ANA
8. JAL

and so on

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RE: AeroWorld Reporting Boeing To Launch 747X & 777X

Sun Feb 20, 2000 7:58 am

I hesitate to believe everything I read, but someone posted an interesting comment about the 777X the other day in regards to the Qantas decision expected this year. While some in Qantas appear to favor the 340, Boeing outlined some ultra long-haul routes (SYD-LHR?) where the 777 would complete its flight path up to 3 hours ahead of the bus. Is this possible? If so, this seems like an incredibly difficult performance advantage for Airbus to overcome. A businessman could check into a hotel, meet a client and complete a brief presentation before the bus even landed. Or better yet, be 2 hours into deep sleep.
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RE: AeroWorld Reporting Boeing To Launch 747X & 777X

Sun Feb 20, 2000 10:04 am

Qantas does not prefer the A340. I'm sorry to disappoint Airbus fans, but this is fact. Half of the order is also made up of A330s - an airplane the airline does not like in the slightest.

You've also mistaken what Boeing showed with the 777-200X for Australia-Europe. This does not entail SYD-LHR, but PER-LHR non-stop (something the A340-500 can do as well). The 3 hour difference is for Perth passengers not requiring to go via SIN to meet up with aircraft hubbing for services to Europe from the East Coast of Australia.

The 777X will cruise at M0.84. The A345/6 is guaranteed at M0.83. Over 8,000nm the 777X will therefore be a bit less than half-an-hour faster. But certainly not 3.

RE: AeroWorld Reporting Boeing To Launch 747X & 777X

Sun Feb 20, 2000 10:06 am

Where does the article mention 20% difference? Did you make this up?

Where does the article mention launch of the 747X? Did you make this up?

The Article DOESN'T SAY This

Sun Feb 20, 2000 10:44 am

It doesn't say any of this. It says these planes will become the focus as the Asian economy improves. And that they would hope to launch the 777x there, NEVER does it say they will.
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A320 Fan

Sun Feb 20, 2000 6:33 pm

Boeing HAVE metnioned that the 747X 'will beat or equal' to the performance to that of A3XX.

YOu have missed the point a320 fan. judging by your user name, you are obviously a pro-airbus fan.
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Pandora, A320 Fan, And DeltaAir

Mon Feb 21, 2000 12:40 am

Pandora, even a strongly Pro-Boeing person like myself can see that A320fan is right! He's just asking for hard facts. Whats wrong with that?

Just because you like something, you shouldn't hesitate to understand the realities behind it!

DeltaAir, would you please quote the text from the magazine EXACTLY?
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RE: Pandora, A320 Fan, And DeltaAir

Mon Feb 21, 2000 4:45 am

I haven't read that article, but I had always thought the 777X/747X launch was a matter of when, rather than if? And the Asian Aerospace show does seem like a very good idea. In any case, if not then, this year's Farnborough is in July, so that might be a good opportunity if things weren't ready to roll next week.

Someone said CX and QF were potential 777X airlines. Based on what, exactly. I visitefd "Fragrant Harbour" under PPRuNET and CX seems to have made up its mind on the A340-600.

To: Pandora

Mon Feb 21, 2000 8:17 am

You will be interested to note that the original context of the posted text suggested that the 777X would be "20%" ahead of the A340NG, and NOT the A3XX-200 over the 747-400. Read it for yourself.

I don't need to be patronized by people such as yourself when obviously DeltaAir has either misquoted or added misinformation to the Aeroworldnet article. My original two questions are still yet to be answered.

In future before suggesting that I have "missed the point", it would probably be better for you to actually read the original post.
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Re: A320 Fan & DeltaAir

Mon Feb 21, 2000 9:28 am

Whilst I agree with A320 fan that Aeroworld mentions nothing with respect to any comparison between the B777X and A340-500/600 involving the number "20%", DeltaAir is not far off the mark.

Boeing literature suggests that the B777-200X will have 7.5% lower trip costs, and 15% lower DOCs than the A340-500 on an 8,500nm mission. The lower DOCs primarily come about because the B777-200X can carry more passengers in a like-for-like configuration.

Boeing also suggests that the B777-300X will have 5.5% lower trip costs and 17% lower DOCs compared to the A340-600 on a 7,000nm mission. This is mainly attributed to the -300X being able to carry 34 more passengers in a like-for-like configuration.

I stress, also, that whilst Boeing does project these numbers, the manufacturer DOES NOT guarantee them, nor should they. Each airline has a particular mission for any particular aircraft type and operating costs are decided upon that. And, regardless of what others say on this forum the airplanes really don't have to fly before we can correctly find out about them as they are derivative airframes.

Airbus literature suggests that A340-500/600 operating costs will be lower than the B777X, and I'm sure that in a certain configuration they would be.

As far as DeltaAir's 20% figures go, however... not far off the mark, but in reality about twice the size of what will be reality.

Boeing will not launch the 747X at Asian Aerospace 2000. Phil Condit has already said that the airplane is not likely for anything close to a launch before 1Q 2000.