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Lone Star Airlines?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:05 am

does anybody remember anything about this airline based in Dallas, TX? Are they still flying?

They were the first to start services between Chihuahua City (MEX) and USA.

Any info will be highly appreciated
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JayDavis
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:28 am

I remember them!

They used to fly a lot of EAS (Essential Air Service) in and out of DFW to smaller cities such as Enid and Ponca City Oklahoma. They flew Metros and then towards the end, the Dornier prop jobs with about 38 passengers. I cannot remember how they got their start though.


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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:34 am

Not to confuse the issue, but there have been at least two Lone Star Airlines.

The first operated circa 1960 between Dallas and Houston with Martin-202s.

They were trying to emulate PSA (out west) in Texas as an intrastate air carrier. It was a great idea whose time had not yet come. Braniff and (to a lesser extent) Trans-Texas destroyed them in short order.

The later Lone Star was completely unrelated to the first and, as the previous poster noted, flew some EAS routes in and out of DFW. Jonesboro, AR; Eldorado, AR; Ponca City & Enid, OK, Paris, TX and Brownwood TX come to mind.

I lived in JBR for three years and Lone Star did not have the best of reputations.

 
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:21 am

Does anybody know how Lone Star went defunct?

Also does anybody remember Aspen Mountain Air and what happened to them?

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JayDavis
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:03 am

Blink,

First of all, what the heck you doing down in Antartica of all places?
I've been meaning to ask you that for quite some time.


Yes, I also remember Aspen Mountain Air and if I am not mistaken, Lone Star became Aspen Mountain Air and tried a new business plan, but it did not work either............

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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:54 am

They used to fly out of STL for awhile as well, to Harrison Arkansas and points beyond I believe. I remember seeing their Metros from time to time at STL.
They changed their name to Aspen Mountain Air and did some EAS in Montana for awhile as well, if I remember correctly. Not sure when they went belly-up.
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JayDavis
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:31 am

I wonder if Big Sky purchased their Metro's, as you know Big Sky used to fly some EAS flights into DFW. Most of the EAS is now flown by Air Midwest or some other Mesa division.............

I sure miss Rio's yellow planes and Metro's twin otters and Convairs !!


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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:01 am

check this site out: http://www.airchive.com/

its has quite a few timetable covers to look at with some info. Lone Star is listed under "Various".


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access-air
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:08 am

Actually,
Lone Star Airlines started as Exec Express based in Altus, Oklahoma and provided airservice into and out of Altus and a few more smaller communities in Oklahoma and Arkansas when Air Midwest dropped service to those cities.
Exec Express started with a fleet of Piper Navajos and actually flew a couple of Dornier Do228-200s as well as Beech C99s....
They picked up some routes in to St Louis via Mountain Home and Harrison Arkansas and even started flying from St. Louis over to Terre Haute and Bloomington, Indiana. That was all very shortlived. The Dornier 228s were sold to the then Springfield, Illinois based Midway Commuter/Fischer Bros. Aviation and the C99s were operated. Eventually they picked up more EAS routes Such as Ponca city and Enid Oklahoma flying down to Dallas/Ft. Worth. Some where along the way tho, they decided to Pull out of Indiana and refocus their hubbing into DFW. They still maintained the Service to STL thru Harrison and Mountain Home but as a result of the new Hub in DFW they changed their name to Lone Star Airlines. By Then they had dumped the Beech C99s and took on a fleet of Metroliner IIIs and Ordered the then new Dornier 328-100s...To which they flew to some of the border towns on the Mexico/Texas border into DFW. The Metroliners were delegated to the EAS routes and the Do328s were doing the long distance runs to Mexico due to their speed.
This service was going good and then came along Western Pacific Airlines.
They kind of needed a commuter affiliate to serve smaller communities ( I hope Im getting this part correct). Lone Star sold of the EAS routes and Metroliner fleet to Big Sky Airlines based In Montana. They operated the Oklahoma, Arkansas And Texas EAS routes under their own banner. The Do 328 operation was then moved to feed Western Pacific hubbing in Colorado Springs and changed its name then to Mountain Air Express. They operated that service until West Pac. fatally decided to move its Operation to Denver and that was the end of West Pac. Mountain Air continued on and was taken on as a United Express carrier and I believe the Company was merged or at least the Do328s were merged into Air Wisconsin's Denver operations. United had just terminated its contract with Mesa in Denver and Air Wisconsin redeployed the Do328s in the markets that were served by Mesa.
Meanwhile back in Oklahoma, the EAS flights continued on until about a couple years ago when Big Sky decided to sell their "southern" routes to the Mesa Air Groups and so the Lone Star Metros went to Big sky and those routes are now served by Mesa Airlines Beech 1900Ds.
Goodness I hope I got all that correct...That's about the gist of it tho....

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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:18 pm

They are featured in the original North American Airlines Handbook.

As of 1997..

Codes: AD/LSS
Scheduled Passenger ops
Cities Served: (USA) ASE BWD DEn DFW DRT ELD HOT JBR PNC ROW RUI STL TYS WDG WMH (MEX) CUU TRC

Code shares with American and Frontier. Exec Express II dba as both Aspen Mountain Air and Lone Star Airlines. The airline was founded in 1984 and started flying in February 1985. President and CEO was Don Martin. Company owned by Peak International. Operated 2 Metro III, 4 Metro 23, and 4 Do328.
 
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:41 pm

Didn't they fly into Fort Worth Meachum field..???
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:58 pm

Lono:

You are thinking of Ft Worth Airlines...One of the many offspring of Mid Pacific Airlines state side....Ther flew a fleet of YS-11s for short time but that service went buttoms up.....As did most of the Stateside MidPAc Airlines......
Another carrier that flew in to Meacham was Mesa Airlines..they experimented with service in there with CRJs when they first got them....but that too was short lived....

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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:07 pm

Side note- I wish someone would come back to FTW!!!
Wishful thinking WN or CO with some flights to HOU/IAH OKC AUS etc  Smile
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:37 pm

Access-Air
Yes.. you are right... I remember now...
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:30 pm

Aspen Mountain air flew a few more routes; I know they flew to ABI, SJT, and maybe SPS.
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I Miss Rio Airways Too

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:18 am

Hey Jay,I miss those yellow Dash7s,Twin Otters,and Beachcrafts 1900Cs too(the Yellow and and red striping looked good in the Rio colors.) The Rio aircraft used to be a fixture throughout Texas,being one of the first to codeshare with a major airline,such as Delta at DFW.
 
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RE: Lone Star Airlines?

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:29 am

Lone Star really had two components: the Metros that were used on EAS routes and the Do-328s to Mexico. I cannot remember how everything transpired, but here's the best I can remember:

Lone Star was acquired by a Colorado investment company called Peak International, controlled by the Crown family. Peak, in turn, formed Exec Express II which, in turn, formed Aspen Mountain Air. Peak filed to have Lone Star's certificate transfered to Exec Express II. The official name of the airline was then Exec Express II d/b/a Aspen Mountain Air.

There was a spat between Peak/AMA and a start-up called Jet Aspen, who was planning to use BAe-146s. It was controlled by Harold Parretti, a long-time airline exec, but nothing ever came of the airline.

In the end, Exec Express II/AMA out-sourced the EAS flying to Metro Airlines (San Antonio), which took on three passenger Metros for the service, while AMA maintained the stations. This was until AMA could get out of the EAS contracts and focus solely on the Do-328 operation.

At one point, AMA had applied for slots to Chicago/O'Hare and planned to expand by connecting points in the US midwest with Branson, MO. This was the final stages of AMA's life, though.

Once LSA/AMA had the Do-328s for service to Mexico (also Pensacola, FL), a minimal codeshare was started with American Airlines, which continued until the demise of AMA.

Hope this helps.

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