mika10021
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EK A345 V SQ A345

Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:12 am

There are a lot of talks about SIA replacing there A345's.But we haven't heard anything about the Emirates planes.Why is that?

Also what aircraft can do the ATH-MEL/SYD nonstop?

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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:21 am

Thusfar, EK has only utilized their A345s for higher payloads on B-market routes.


SQ, on the other hand, flies the longest routes in the world... using heavily payload-restricted A345s. Since the 772LR is expected to achieve significantly better performance speculations, and due to the massive size of SQ's already-operating 777 fleet; there's quite a bit of speculation that the A345's time at SQ will be as similarly short as the Celestars'.
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:38 pm

ConcordeBoy,

EK has been using the A345 on its DXB-SYD service for many months, and even before SQ got their A345s. I would consider the DXB-SYD route with a 14 hours flight to be a long route. Wouldn't you? Same for the DXB-JFK service.

I have tried the A345 (First Class) on a DXB-KIX service last April. The First Class Suites and the entertainment system were the best I have ever seen. SQ can't come close.

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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:14 pm

EK First Class all the way, its the best i ever had commercially ! SQ doesnt even have First Class on their A345. Which dumbass took that decision?
 
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:03 pm

Joleb

The SQ dumbass, as you so eloquently put it, that chose not to include first class aboard their A345 fleet was a number of SQ marketers, engineers, planners et al that realised, after thorough investigation, that the A345, the world's current long-range title holder, would not be able to reach JFK or LAX year round while fully laden with the added weight of a first class cabin. The freight or range penalty was too high lowering the potential overall yield. They chose to focus on premium passengers with enhanced business and enhanced economy products. This appears to be working for them very well.

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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:39 pm

On my opinion, SQ has got the more innovative product on it´s A345. Of course, there´s no First but the executive economy is a good and innovative product and business has more space than on the other fleet of SQ.
Emirates has still an outdated businessclass and comparing to SQ a poor economy with less room on a long flight. Please don´t misunderstand me - I really like Emirates and I´m going to fly with them this weekend, but I think that in this case SQ has done better.



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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:39 pm

I would consider the DXB-SYD route with a 14 hours flight to be a long route. Wouldn't you? Same for the DXB-JFK service.

Never said they weren't long... but whether you like it or not, they're still B-market routings  Laugh out loud



SQ has got the more innovative product on it´s A345

What's so innovative about a J/Y+ configuration?
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:22 am

ConcordBoy,

Could you please clarify the meaning of a "B-Market" route?
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:30 am

Really isn't a technical threshold... but for all practical purposes: routes exceeding 8000nm/18hrs, previously beyond the reach of existing aircraft.
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:30 am

Could you please clarify the meaning of a "B-Market" route?

It's actually a Boeing terminology. When Boeing was defining the 777 in the early 90s, they saw three distinct markets for which the 777 would be tailored-

A Market- Domestic applications (5,300 miles), 350 passengers
B Market- Intercontinental applications (7,600 miles), 280 passengers
C Market- Ultra-Long Haul applications (9,000 miles), >280 passengers

When you look at this, a pattern should emerge-

A Market aircraft- 777-200A (now you know what the A means  Big grin ), 777-300A, and A330-300
B Market aircraft- 777-200ER, 777-300ER, A340-300, A340-600
C Market aircraft- 777-200LR, A340-500
 
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:31 am

If SQ wants the -LR shouldn´t there be an order out now? The roll-out is in 2 years, and SQ loves to be Numero Uno on the orderlist  Big grin

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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:35 am

If SQ wants the -LR shouldn´t there be an order out now?

After their disappointment in the M11 and A343... can you blame them for patience?
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:52 am

Hahahahaaa.......

U do anything to get the last word inhere, C-boy, eventhough you´re wrong sometimes?

Just for the hell of it, right?

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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:57 am

I'd be thoroughly amused, in a droll sort of way, to see you point out one "wrong" thing I've said on this thread...  Big grin
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:36 am

Re Dubai-Sydney being a B class route. It is in fact an A class route to London or other ports in Europe as a one-stop competitor to flights via Changi or Bangkok and it is causing an A-class pain in the A** for Qantas and Singapore Airlines.

The SQ A345 order happened because it built a jet that Boeing couldn't match AT THE PARTICULAR TIME. SQ has now received an Airbus which (drum roll.....ta dum) actually does everything SQ paid for. But it would like 'more' and the much delayed 777-200LR is almost certainly going to provide it, three years after the SQ flights to LAX and ERW non-stop started.

I doubt that the A345 will go the way of their dismal A340 Celestars, ie, to Boeing. They could keep them and use them very effectively on long range flights from Australia to the US if they get TransPac rights, or to develop other 'minor' routes. Or they could sell them as a block to someone who needs five ultra long range jets that can deal with transAntartica routes or far southern routes that are operationally forbidden territory to the 777-200LR and likely to stay that way forever.

I'll bet that the new leadership of Mr Chew at SQ is even thinking about how they might bury the hatchet with Virgin Blue and Pacific Blue and offer them the A345s for Pacific Blue flights like Perth-London, Perth-LAX, Adelaide-LAX, Sydney-Chicago, or Auckland-JFK.

Qantas will wet itself again at the thought of what these wicked Singaporeans might do to 'their' market.
 
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:43 am

Re Dubai-Sydney being a B class route. It is in fact an A class route to London or other ports in Europe as a one-stop competitor to flights via Changi or Bangkok and it is causing an A-class pain in the A** for Qantas and Singapore Airlines

Not class. Market. A B market route is one outside the capabilities of the 777-200A, 777-300A, or A330.

A Market - A330, 777-200A, 777-300A
B Market - A340-600, 777-300ER, 777-200ER
C Market - A340-500, 777-200LR

EK is operating their C market plane on routes that a B market plane could fly, while SQ is clearly operating far into the C market space.

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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:57 am

"Also what aircraft can do the ATH-MEL/SYD nonstop?"

Since when does EK fly ATH-SYD and MEL NON STOP????????????????

Is it a special thing for the olympics?


EK is OK and their F Class does look appealing, but overall SQ does have a better product (in J and exec Y Class) and also has a much stronger network to USA
 
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:52 pm

EK A345 is very nice... albeit no leg room in economy. First and Business very nice. The ICE system is amazing... you can call seat-to-seat for free.

It has wireless internet onboard! How do they do that? The stars on the ceiling are a nice touch. Too bad Emirates service is getting worse. The 345 crews I've been on are terribly unfriendly. The 777 crews are always great. An F/A told me the 345 crews only work that plane and the rest of the cabin crews work across the fleet.

SQ is, well, SQ. No complaints!

I have ridden all of the A & B offerings extensively (OK, not the 773ER yet) and would have to say the EK 345 is THE NICEST airplane I have ridden on to date. Coach is not comfortable, unless you have an empty seat next to you, but the rest of the plane is amazing. SO quiet!
 
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RE: EK A345 V SQ A345

Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:43 am

TexAussie
The 345 crew is not working only on that aircraft. Everybody must fly on all the aircrafts. The priority will be given though for A345 when the rosters are made. I'm a 345 crew but I didn't fly that aircraft for a month now... I'm sad to hear that you found unfriendly crew on your flights... I recommend you to talk to one of the Seniors and point any bad attitude on the spot. If you don't say anything nothing will change.
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