MAH4546
Topic Author
Posts: 24725
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:44 pm

SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:38 am

Sadly, Singapore Airlines will end service to Madrid at the end of October. Singapore Airlines offers 747-400 service to Singapore via Paris. This is according to the link below, though flights are still in reservation systems.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/corporatenews/view/96427/1/.html
a.
 
scottysair
Posts: 6442
Joined: Tue Mar 28, 2000 4:07 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:40 am

Ouch!!! This is not good news for SQ is pull out from MAD.
 
jopavon
Posts: 282
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 12:53 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:44 am

I guess it's the other way around, it's sad for MAD to loose SQ. Good for SQ since it was probably loosing money or not earning enough to sustain the route.
The plane had a stop in Paris, so they can codeshare with JK on that final leg and don't fly the 744 not so full.
 
chepos
Posts: 5961
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2000 9:40 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:01 am

Gee Madrid hasnt been good with flights to Asia, I believe the only East Asian airline currently flying into MAD is THAI.
Chepos
Fly the Flag!!!!
 
gardermoen
Posts: 1343
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 1999 9:52 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:34 am

Funny, I was thinking just the other day, SQ has maintained 2 flights per week to Madrid since it launched the route back in 1992, and normally if they can't increase frequencies, SQ tends to drop the route.
A shame really, however I guess if the money isn't there then it will have to go.
Makes sense really to codeshare with partners Spanair and LH, probably out of Frankfurt or Paris.
At one point, Madrid also had Malaysia Airlines , Korean Air and Garuda.
 
boeingbus
Posts: 1510
Joined: Sat May 29, 2004 12:37 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:44 am

This will only continue as airline alliances grow... Why should SQ fly to Madrid when they can code share with other Star Alliance members from many airports.

SQ nor MAD will lose out, as folks who need to fly to Spain, will no matter how they get there even if they have to use 2 carriers with a connection in London let say.
Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
 
thaiaggie
Posts: 221
Joined: Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:56 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:11 am

I hope THAI won't drop MAD and codeshare with other star partners. THAI has 5th freedom right from FCO to MAD, may be that's why it is doing better than SQ on MAD route
Barrow, Alaska in Feb. It was Cold!
 
bullpitt
Posts: 757
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:09 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:41 pm

Hi all just a little correction here I thought that the SQ service was via ZRH and not PAR. Can anybody confirm this?.
These are my principles but if you don't like them I have others
 
airmale
Posts: 7125
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:48 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:53 pm

China Eastern A343 also used to fly to Madrid till 2003. MH were an A333 KE a 777 what did GA use?
.....up there with the best!
 
gardermoen
Posts: 1343
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 1999 9:52 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:58 pm

Im quite sure GA used the MD11 with two stopes en route, like Abu Dhabi and Zurich/Rome.
 
Krushny
Posts: 756
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2000 4:22 am

SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:59 pm

In the last year the service definitely was through Paris, not sure how it was before.
Are there going to be any changes in SQ Paris schedule, to improve the utilization of their 744s ? Can this be related to the lease of 744s to IB?
 
airmale
Posts: 7125
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:48 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:27 pm

IB 744's arent Air Atlanta aircraft?
.....up there with the best!
 
Krushny
Posts: 756
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2000 4:22 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:34 pm

Last thing I heard that IB 744s were leased from SQ and operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic.
 
airmale
Posts: 7125
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:48 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:19 pm

SQ operate via Paris as SQ334.
.....up there with the best!
 
HB-IWC
Posts: 4033
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2000 1:09 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:22 pm

Before serving Madrid as a tag on to the Paris flight, SQ used to serve the Spanish capital via Zurich for quite a while. I even think that at a certain point in time, Madrid got 3 weekly frequencies. SQ has in recent years also withdrawn from two other European destinations: Brussels and Berlin.

 
aussie747
Posts: 1005
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:15 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:29 pm

It doesn't surpise me all people we take to Spain will go SQ to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA then LH to MAD or BCN due to the way the fares are structured and very conveneint at the same time.
 
Venezuela747
Posts: 1375
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:36 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:44 am

Can anyone tell me IB destinations in ASIA? If any
ROLL TIDE!!!
 
MaverickM11
Posts: 15456
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 1:59 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:53 am

"Can anyone tell me IB destinations in ASIA? If any"

Yes. They are as follows:

*crickets chirping*


E pur si muove -Galileo
 
transswede
Posts: 969
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:30 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:58 am

What remaining cities in europe does SQ serve?
 
LXsaab2000
Posts: 320
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:00 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:43 am

SQ still serves in Europe London , Paris, Manchester , Amsterdam , Frankfurt , Zurich , Copenhagen , Rome , Athens and Istanbul.



[Edited 2004-07-20 18:44:09]
 
JoFMO
Posts: 1840
Joined: Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:55 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:06 am

And they have a code-share on OS to vienna.
 
airmale
Posts: 7125
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:48 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:53 am

Iberia fly only to the middle east in Asia, Tel Aviv so far and Beirut form September, before that they flew to Manila, Tokyo, Kuwait, Jeddah possibly one or two more middle east points.
.....up there with the best!
 
IBERIA747
Posts: 1648
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:43 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:48 am

IB also flew to Tehran, Abu Dhabi and Bombay...but that was a looong time ago.
¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
 
Eirules
Posts: 1528
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:17 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:36 am

Is this further support to the rumour of a DUB-MAN-SIN announcement from SQ in the near future?
The way you cut your meat reflects the way you live....
 
Horus
Posts: 5131
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:04 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:12 am

Airmale and IBERIA747, you guys forgot Cairo!!!!!!!

They have 3x weekly A320 flights that route MAD-BCN-CAI-BCN-MAD, and 3x weekly B757 flights that route MAD-CAI-MAD (summer only). That brings a total of 6x weekly flights. Their inaugural MAD-CAI-MAD flight was operated by one of their A346s (1st A346 at CAI).

Horus

EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
 
IBERIA747
Posts: 1648
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:43 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:58 pm

Horus,

I have not forgotten Cairo...it´s an important destination for IB outside Europe. I didn´t mention it because we were talking about destinations in Asia and Cairo is in Africa.  Smile

Regards.
¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
 
Krushny
Posts: 756
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2000 4:22 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:29 pm

What about Ammann? Hasn't IB flown there?
 
airmale
Posts: 7125
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:48 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:17 pm

EIrules I heard JAL are planning a MAN-DUB service thats the rumor.

Horus Cairo = Africa Smile
.....up there with the best!
 
IBERIA747
Posts: 1648
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:43 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:17 am

Amman?

I´m not sure...maybe they used to fly there but I don´t remember right now.

I forgot Beirut. IB will restart services soon to BEY. I say restart because they used to fly there during the 70's and early 80's.
¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
 
Horus
Posts: 5131
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:04 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:07 am

Egypt=Africa=Middle East  Big thumbs up

Horus

EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
 
MAS777
Posts: 2757
Joined: Sun Jul 11, 1999 7:40 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:31 am

Its quite odd that Asian carriers (bar Thai) never tried flying into BCN instead. MAS tried a variety of city pairs and routes into Madrid flying the 74D, 74E and 744 (via LHR), and even perhaps the MD11 (not sure about this but can anyone remember if there was a KUL-DXB-BRU-MAD route flown by the M11) before trying perhaps one of the longest A333 routings in the world - before ditching Barajas.
 
airmale
Posts: 7125
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:48 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:07 am

Horus what I meant to say was that IB fly to the middle east part that falls in Asia, thats why I didnt include Cairo.

Peace Big grin

[Edited 2004-07-28 19:17:13]
.....up there with the best!
 
Horus
Posts: 5131
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:04 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:14 am

Airmale, well the Sinai Peninsula is in Asia, so one can argue that Egypt is technically a part of Asia too, therefore Egypt is in Africa, Middle East and Asia (hehehehe)  Big thumbs up

Horus

EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
 
Arcano
Posts: 2299
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:34 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:00 am

What are SQ plans for the spare capacity after stop flying to MAD?
Are they returning earlier to Singapore or they will replace MAD for another euro destination? or just leave it parked instead waiting for the departure time to SIN?

Regards

Arcano
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773, 380, 73G, 788, 789, 346
 
HB-IWC
Posts: 4033
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2000 1:09 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:51 pm

MAS tried a variety of city pairs and routes into Madrid flying the 74D, 74E and 744 (via LHR), and even perhaps the MD11 (not sure about this but can anyone remember if there was a KUL-DXB-BRU-MAD route flown by the M11) before trying perhaps one of the longest A333 routings in the world - before ditching Barajas.

Last routing to Madrid of MH was with an A333 flying KUL-DXB-IST-MAD. IB used to code-share on the flight. BRU was served with B744 as KUL-DXB-ZRH-BRU. I don't think MH ever served MAD via LHR, or by MD11 for that matter.

 
Ryanair!!!
Posts: 4079
Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2002 8:55 pm

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:12 pm

Are they returning earlier to Singapore or they will replace MAD for another euro destination? or just leave it parked instead waiting for the departure time to SIN?

Other than increasing/decreasing frequencies, I don't foresee anymore new European / US destinations coming online for SQ at the moment because they are going into the "cautious" expansion mode. Their last few forays with new destinations were pretty mediocre (Las Vegas, Chicago). My guess they would rather expand closer to home with regards to new destinations (Nanjing, Shenzhen) to cater for the burgeoning travelling pattern within Asia.
Welcome to my starry one world alliance, a team in the sky!
 
mozart
Posts: 2047
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2003 12:21 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:43 pm

SQ has in recent years also withdrawn from two other European destinations: Brussels and Berlin.

Also, they dropped Vienna, which used to be the first stop on the BRU route. And, some longer time ago, they also flew to - believe it or not - Malta!! They stopped that as well.

What I don't get is why ZRH has such a prominent place in their network. ZRH is still served daily on a 744, despite them having broken the alliance with Swissair some years ago. So why would they serve an airport with such a small O&D base for them, with no Star carriers using ZRH as a hub, etc.? Don't get it...
 
JoFMO
Posts: 1840
Joined: Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:55 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:56 pm

@mozart

auckland is full of swiss language school students and nz in general is beloved by swiss tourists. I guess australia is the same.
swiss are the third biggest group of tourists in nz.

Beside all these tourists, which generate a solide amount of passengers to fill the big birds, I guess Zurich as a prime business center brings also the needed additional high yielding pax.

 
MAS777
Posts: 2757
Joined: Sun Jul 11, 1999 7:40 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:09 am

HB-IWC - MH2 did operate KUL-LHR-MAD for a short period using the 744. I wasn't sure if the MD11 was ever sent there though as they were on-lease from World and serve a variety of routes in the 1990s.
 
aviasian
Posts: 1244
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2001 8:11 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:38 am

Mozart: JoFMO is on the spot about the yield on the SIN-ZRH route.

Also, Malta (as well as Larnaca) was served on a very limited season basis - to transport significant groups of Maltese (and Cypriots) from Australia home. These stops were often tagged onto the SIN-AMS flights.

As such, SQ never was a scheduled carrier into Malta.

It is true that new European points are unlikely to be added - these are perhaps now best served (more frequently) by Star Alliance partners. SIA (and indeed most Southeast Asian carriers) are now concentrating on growing their list of destinations in China and India. Collectively, this is a population base of 2.3bn! Intra-Asian travel has really taken off very strongly.

KC Sim
Bangkok
 
Ex_SQer
Posts: 1351
Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:43 am

RE: SQ To Pull Out Of Madrid

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:50 am

Actually, Malta was operated on a scheduled basis for about a year starting in mid-1985.

Zurich is a bit of a wierd market for SQ. Traffic is not heavy, but yields were traditionally good. Hence, SQ made it into a daily service to cater to the high yield business traffic (this was when the "alliance" - and I use the term loosely - with SR was still alive). However, in making it a daily service, they in turn made too many seats available on the route, and in order to sell these extra seats they had to sell them really cheaply. Hence, SQ's traffic to/from ZRH is an odd mix of very high yield traffic mixed with leisure paxs on very cheap tickets. There aren't many seats sold at intermediate prices. The yield situation should, however, improve with the introduction of the 744 replacements on the route.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 77H, AR385, BTVB6Flyer, CHCalfonzo, compensateme, DKTraveller, eraugrad02, FarhanAzmi, FAST Enterprise [Crawler], fly2yyz, flybry, Google Adsense [Bot], grbauc, INFINITI329, JoeCanuck, MalevTU134, Markam, olba, rnav2dlrey, Strato2, TK105, twinotter, VCEflyboy, VS4ever, wenders825, Winterapfel and 258 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos