pgh234
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Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:53 pm

I have a one-way ticket next Monday night for PIT-ATL-MYR. Now I have no longer have the need to go to MYR, but the opportunity conveniently presented itself to go to ATL the same night. Since I am on a cheapy T-fare ticket, refunds are out of the question. As stated in my topic, what, if anything, can the airline do to me for skipping the ATL-MYR segment of my itinerary? What will happen to my frequent flyer miles for jumping ship halfway(getting NW miles on this flight)?

Also, I plan on using AirTran's $55 "x-fare program" to get back to PIT. Anyone else have experiences with the x-fares? How much can I expect to pay after taxes for this?

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:07 pm

Well first of all Delta WILL NOT ALLOW you to short check your baggage to ATL....especially when you are holind a one way ticket!!!!!!
If you try to cancel that last segment they can nab you for what they term as hidden city ticketing...and charge you the difference right at the counter....and most likely will....Delta is the WORST Airline to try that kind of stuff with!!! If you bought your ticket to MYR cause it was cheaper to do it this way and just think you could get off the plane in ATL.....its not a wise thing to do!!!!

If you get off the plane in ATL and let your bags go on to MYR you might never see them again....because they will prolly go to MYR without you and then you have to explain to Delta why you got off in ATL....
Trust me, I am a travel agent....some of my passenegrs have tried (AGAINST MY ADVICE) to do the very same thing you are suggestiing and they ALWAYS get Caught!!!! My advice....DONT DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:11 pm

I was not checking bags and, no, this ticket to MYR was not cheaper than one to ATL would have been. But now I dont need to go to MYR. DL is actually getting more $$ out of the deal buying a one-way to MYR over just a cheap ticket to ATL.

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:21 pm

You are flying into the belly of the beast .. and thinking about cheating on your airfare???? DL will hunt you down while you are in ATL!!!!! and make an example of you!!!
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:35 pm

Im telling you, you will be foolish if you try this......Take my 16 years of Travel Agent advice....DONT DO THIS!!!!
If the fares are so cheap to ATL save your Delta ticket for another time and buy a round tripper on AirTran and pay the change fee for Delta later on...even if it is $100.oo plus...It will save you from all kinds of possible problems....Including anything the airline or TSA deems as Suscpicious behaviour!!! Is this worth a possible arrest??? Airlines dont take kindly to these practices and they come down hard on you....Do what you want....but don't blame anyone if you get busted!!!

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:39 pm

Access-Air...the PIT-MYR ticket was $100 in the first place, PIT-ATL one-way is about $75  Smile So the change fee is going to be more than the whole ticket. (Dont forget you are talking to a poor college student here. haha)

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:44 pm

Lets see....poor college student vs. a travel agent of 16 years who has at one point worked for an airline as a ticketing specialist. I think that you would be wise and heed Access's advice, pgh. The airline is within their rights to charge you the highest fare difference available between PIT and ATL within the class you are seated. Also when you are ticketed (I'm under the assumption that this is an e-ticket but regardless anyways) they have your contact information to pursue the matter. Don't do something that your wallet is going to regret later.

[Edited 2004-07-20 16:47:37]
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:54 pm

I say do it. If you get caught, say you felt sick and got off the plane.

I've often done things like this. For example, I regularly fly out of GNV to AMS through ATL. One time coming back from AMS I decided I'd take a couple of days off and visit family in S. FL. Delta wanted something like $500 to change my ticket versus a $128 (roundtrip fare from ATL to MIA) So I just booked another ticket (one way) from ATL to MIA. Got to ATL and then simply checked in for my new flight. No problem.

Another time I was travelling to Texas on a business trip and then had to make an unscheduled visit to MSP. A last minute fare from HOU / IAH to MSP was going to be a couple thousand dollars. However a fare from ATL to MSP was going to be about $300. Use the return portion of my GNV - HOU ticket to get to ATL and then checked in for the MSP flight. No problem and even earned Skymiles on the flights.

 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:34 am

Do it. I do it all the time! If you have no checked baggage and no return segment- there is nothing - NOTHING- they can do! People do it for work all the time.

How could Delta charge you the fare difference if you are already gone by the time they realize you missed your connection to MYR. They can't. Period. That travel agent guy is just overreacting.
Now- if you have a roundtrip- you would be foolish to pull this stunt on the outbound leg.
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:47 am

Here is my advice:

If you have to do it, then go ahead.

You wont loose you luggage because you are not checking any. And if DL catches just explain them. You might have trouble on the way back when you try to check back in something bad could happen to your reservation.

Again if its a must then go ahead, but I would go with the travel Agent advice
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:05 am

If Delta set TSA personnel on customers who use the Hidden City trick, DL should be blacklisted by anyone who cares about freedom. If this is really true, and the gentleman who started the thread is really risking arrest, then America has finally surpassed the Soviet Union for lack of personal freedom.

That said, I find Access-Air's scenario so implausible that I will go with the majority and advise (as a travel agent and airline staff member 1990-1995) you to use the damn ticket.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:10 am

Cedarjet -

Don't worry.. America is not that point of being a police state. He's not risking arrest. The travel agent is just overreacting. I promise you..

If it's a one-way and you're not checking any bags, then by all means, go ahead and jump ship in ATL. There is nothing they can do to you... I promise you, you'll be fine.

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:13 am

No checked luggage and you no longer need to go to MYR, then by all means end your journey in ATL and call it a day........
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:21 am

It is true....maybe no one will find out. But it really isn't that hard for us to find out. An agent can see right there in your record that you didn't get on a plane. It might bring a little curiosity. You would be surprised at some of the things people try to get away with. We aren't that stupid, people.

I realize you are on a one way ticket, and this is mostly for other people out there who are thinking about doing this.....

As earlier said if you do get caught, Delta has the right to charge you the difference between the fare you paid and the fare you would have paid.

In addition to that, Delta can cancel the remainder of your itinerary or confiscate any unused flight coupons.

They can also refuse to allow you on any flight in your itinerary or refuse any checked baggage.

So basically when you do this you void the contract of carriage and Delta can pretty much do whatever they want to your ticket.

[Edited 2004-07-20 18:29:38]
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:29 am

I haven't done this thing per se, but I have bought round-trip tickets and not used the return leg. For example, when I studied in London for a semester, I booked ABI-IAH-DCA round-trip on CO so I could stop and see friends in DC for a few days before I headed to Europe. I never used the return leg of that itinerary.

I then traveled DCA-JFK-LHR on AA, and returned a few months later LGW-DFW-ABI on AA. CO never said anything about my missed return flight from DCA, and I never was charged or anything.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:32 am

I would go for it .. I had the same situation last year when going from RSW-PIT-CMH on US and didn't want to go to CMH just yet so I walked out of the PIT airport when I got there no problem.. you should be fine.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:33 am

I've done this a couple times too, but not to save money. Both times, there was no problem, it was on the return and I had no checked luggage. However, that was pre 9-11. Now they probably check, and when they realize there is one fewer person on the plane, they will probably have to determine if you had any checked bags or not. What is the SOP for airlines when they realize someone who has checked in is not on the flight?

Back in 1998, I had to go to MSP for some training courses. I had to go in February (burrrr) and April. Since neither was over a Saturday, it raised the price of the ticket considerably. The travel agent my company uses bought me two sets of tickets, but one set was leaving MCO and going to MSP and the return, but the other was for MSP to MCO with the return. She printed out my boarding passes and told me to use one from each ticket set. Needless to say, I was a bit worried I'd get caught. I told her I did not mind paying the full fare since it was a business trip, but she insisted she had done this many times and it was fine. And it was. I'd never do it now.

 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:36 am

As an airline employee, I firmly believe the Eleventh Commandment should be "Thou Shalt Not Get Away With It." Why must EVERYONE assume that rules don't apply to them?  Insane

Having said that, if you're not checking any baggage and only have a one-way (with no other flights to place in jeopardy, since they WILL cancel anything left if you no-show any part of your itinerary) there's really no harm by jumping ship in ATL.

You'll just be robbing DL of revenue they're legally entitled to, since they have the right to have your ticket reissued to reflect the actual value of a new ATL only ticket, and you're tying up inventory on the ATL-MYR flight that they could potentially sell to someone else.

But hey, if you can live with yourself for thinking you're above the rules, knock yourself out.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:43 am

Used to do it all the time.
Never had a problem or a complaint from the airline.
It's not like it's illegal!
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:23 am

One thing I forgot to mention....

If an airline does find out about this, you may also be disqualified from their frequent flier program. Meaning, any miles you have earned may not be redeemed for awards or other perks and any awards you have earned can be taken away. That would really suck if you were an elite member.

And just because someone at the airline doesn't find out about it right away, doesn't mean you got away with it. All airlines will frequently audit passenger records and frequent flier accounts to find fraudulent activity. So they could still find out about it down the road and still impose the penalties upon you.

I am not trying to be mean about it, but just warn you of the things that could happen if you get caught.

[Edited 2004-07-20 19:25:00]
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:25 am

I love the airline people arguing that this is so bad because it violates the contract of carriage provisions. Well how many times a day does Delta violate it's contract with a paying passenger by overbooking over the permissible amount, or by canceling a flight for a reason they can control.

I guess you could sue Delta each time, but the cure is worse than the solution. Contract for carriage are almost unconscionable because they are so one sided. I've caught plenty of gate agents, at Delta and other airlines lying about why a flight was cancelled / delayed so that they could get out of offering compensations or dealing with the crowd issues that arise.

The market value of anything are what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree on. Delta agreed to fly you from point a to point b and back for X dollars. Whether you decide you want to fly back to point b is your choice.

At worse this is a civil breach of contract claim and has absolutely nothing to do with legality or violation of the law.

Given Delta's financial condition, they should be doing whatever possible to encourage people to fly their planes (and possibly modeling themselves after the LCC fare structures) which ignore whether the flight is round-trip or one way. Perhaps if they spent more time listening to what customers want and meeting those needs, they'd spend less time talking to bankruptcy attorneys.
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:28 am

Here is my second advice:

Online Check-in!!!!

Ssides:
I dont think airlines care much if you dont do the return on a roundtrip. I did when I moved to the US, I had to have a return ticket to show at the inmigration counter but my family settled here and we never used and lost about 200$ ( the difference between One-way and Round-trip)
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:53 am

I don't see the problem. He's a poor college student (key word: poor = not flying often). He probably doesn't have a frequent flyer #, so that doesn't matter to him. He has no bags to check and they probably will have standbys for the ATL-MYR segment that will be able to get on in his place. He's not flying back on DL, so they can't do anything to his return ticket(s). Its perfectly fine, go for it.

BTW, the TSA screens bags/passengers, it doesn't worry about who gets on a flight and who doesnt. That would be the DHS, and if they have time to go and find each person who misses a connecting flight, we'd all be in jail @ Guantanamo Bay, Cuba or some ungodly place like that.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:02 am

Jkudall,
You have no idea what you are talking about. Delta will:
a. Cancel remaining itinerary (who cares as that is only the flight you don't want)
b. Thats it!

There is absolutely nothing they can do about it! Period. How could they charge you the difference in fare if you already left the airport! On your credit card? That would be illegal and they would

a. never get the money from the cardholder
b. never get any future business from that cardholder

I have done this a half dozen times with ZERO issues. I have even flown out on a new ticket with the same airline the same day and had no problems whatsoever.
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:18 am

N6376m,

Wow! We're going to have a good debate here...

First, DL's CoC is available at http://www.delta.com/pdfs/contract_of_carriage_dom.pdf.

Overbooking (by any amount) and canceling flights (regardless of reason) are both protected activities under DL's CoC (see exception 2 to rule 115 and rule 240, respectively). As you can see for yourself, DL does not "violate" the Contract by engaging in these activities, rather it incurs varying obligations to its passengers depending on the act in question. Thus, I'd say the number of times DL knowingly violates the CoC per day approaches zero considering the number of passenger interactions by the airline per day. If you'd like to sue DL next time they violate the CoC with you, have at it. Good luck!

"Contract for carriage are almost unconscionable because they are so one sided."

You're forgetting something here. The airline is offering to transport you in exchange for specified remuneration. You're not forced to fly with Delta if you don't accept the terms of your contract with them as a passenger in much the same way you're not forced to be party to any contract containing terms you disagree with. You buy the ticket, you agree to its terms. It's that simple.

"I've caught plenty of gate agents, at Delta and other airlines lying about why a flight was cancelled / delayed so that they could get out of offering compensations or dealing with the crowd issues that arise."

I'd remind you that what might appear to the passenger as a lie may merely be the result of the many complicating factors involved in running an airline. If the weather goes to hell and you're left with too few planes to run the schedule as planned, is that a weather or controllable delay? What if you cancel the least booked flight as a result of said weather system in order to run a flight that is full? Controllable or not? There is a ton of gray area in airline operations. Yet the passengers always feel as if they are getting screwed and lied to since everyone and their brother knows how to run an airline better than the people who do it for a living. Folks, just because the view outside the window where you're standing is sunny, the weather 200 (or more!) miles away may be crap. It doesn't suit the airline to not fly their schedule -- DL doesn't get to recognize your ticket revenue as being earned until you're on a plane enroute. If airlines could make the weather, every day would be 60 degrees, sunny, calm wind and no precipitation or convective activity. We're not out to get you. All that said, if an agent of the airline legitimately lies to you, you have a case. Call the 800-number to double check on the cause of any delay or cancellation if you like. I'd be willing to bet that the "problem" you speak of either isn't in fact an issue or is just a matter of a few misinformed, perhaps malcontent employees.

"The market value of anything are what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree on. Delta agreed to fly you from point a to point b and back for X dollars. Whether you decide you want to fly back to point b is your choice."

Right on. I couldn't agree with your first sentence more. Which is exactly why you would be depriving DL of revenue they richly deserve. You seem big on open markets, thus I'd expect you'd see what's wrong in cheating DL in this manner. By telling DL you're going somewhere you aren't in order to get off halfway there is fraudulent. See rule 100, section G, paragraph 3, item C.

Remember: if you want DL to stick to the CoC when it suits you, you must do the same when it suits them. That's a basic tenant of contract theory.

"Given Delta's financial condition, they should be doing whatever possible to encourage people to fly their planes (and possibly modeling themselves after the LCC fare structures) which ignore whether the flight is round-trip or one way. Perhaps if they spent more time listening to what customers want and meeting those needs, they'd spend less time talking to bankruptcy attorneys."

If you have all the answers, why not sell your executive services to DL? You may be correct on all you say, however the discussion here is not regarding what DL ought to be, it is about the terms agreed to when a ticket was purchased for transportation over the lines of Delta. That is a positive issue of contract law; therefore your normative logic does not apply.

joe
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:24 am

If you're not checking bags, and you haven't physically checked-in for the ATL-MYR leg, they will just count you as a no-show. Generally, all flights are oversold assuming a certain percentage of the pax will not show up. Now, if they check you in for your flight to MYR when you check in for your flight to ATL (if they assign you a seat), then there will be a problem. You will not receive miles on a flight you did not travel on, the Delta computer system will automatically not credit you miles for a flight you weren't on.

If you're so set on not going ATL-MYR, do the nice thing and just call them up and say you understand there is no refund, you won't be traveling. That'll cause a lot less headaches than if you simply don't show up.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:28 am

JKudall,

Please tell me you are not serious! An audit of FF flying activities with subsequent cancellation of flying rights and/or miles! That is the most ludicrous thing I have ever imagined. Why would you do that to your most FREQUENT flyers and consistent source of revenue? I can almost guarantee you that has/ will never happen. How would the airline impose a penalty 'down the road'? Why? ha ha ha. That was funny.

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:39 am

Either way DL will make out if you skip your flight. They will have your money that you have already paid. They will also sell you empty seat to a stand by passenger for a boatload of money. So I would just do it.


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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:57 am

Thanks for your help everyone

Yes, I am not that frequent of a flyer, I have about 13,000 NW WorldPerks miles that this flight would be crediting (i.e. no elite status).


Interesting debate none the less. I know there has to be some Delta CSA's here to input?

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:17 am

Petazulu,

I am not messed up at all.....I just cannot believe everyone is encouraging this young guy to do something that could get him in trouble...and most of all dishonest....That shows me only one thing...and that most of you are nothing but opportunistic immoral people. You have no scruples and Whether Delta makes a butt load of money or not is NOT the issiue.. You are telling this guy to do something that might get him in trouble...What do all of you care, its not going to your asses ina sling.... I did not imply he will get caught , I said he might........Unless of course he is dense enuff to tell too many people of what hes going to do.....He had better hope a Delta Agent doesnt see this thread and look for him.....he might not be the only person routed to MYR thru ATL but I can guarantee that his $75 one way fare isnt what Delta might charge him for his "revised" itinerary..
I invite this gentleman to come back and report to us all how he made out....Whether he got away with it or whether he got busted.....
I challenge you Mr. Pgh234...

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:34 am

Last year I flew LGA-PBI-LGA on Delta (Song). I wanted to leave early and DL wanted $100 to change my ticket.

Checking online I saw they were selling one way for like $80. So i just bought another ticket and went home early.

The very next day, the Delta Police, dressed in all black, came to my door and arrested me for violating their CoC.

Don't do it! You will spend the next 6 months in jail!

Oh come on people! If you want to get off a plane early, just do it! What's the big freaking deal?

 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:43 am

Screw it. If you have a one way ticket, with no luggage to check, I say go for it, what can they do? Hell, I'll look at the loads on FL and tell you if you can get an x-fare.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:13 am

Here's my two cents . . .

You have a one way ticket. You have no checked baggage. Simply check-in either online, at a kiosk, or even with an agent. You'll obtain two boarding cards and upon arrival in ATL you can discard the second leg.

Now lets look at the ramifications of your decision. Unfortunately, I have to insert this disclaimer. Legal advice has not been solicited. And, IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM DOES THIS CONSTITUTE LEGAL ADVICE. Yes, Delta has a Contract of Carriage. This is a contract based upon their offer to carry you for X dollars from PIT-ATL-MYR and your acceptance of such offer. Additionally, you agree to certain terms, such as cancellation and notice of overbooking. If you decide to exit the plane in ATL they have no legal cause of action. At that point in time they have received all monies due from the contract. The problem could arise that this is "hidden city" crap.

Their only cause of action would be to sue you for a PIT-ATL flight, and I might add at the time you booked your flight. They aren't going to sue you as a practical matter. For several reasons. 1. It's simply bad PR - and airline suing a customer. That's not how to win customers in this market. 2. The court costs, attorney's fees, etc. would outweigh any benefit to them. Delta and AA aren't the RIAA's of this world. 3. Double Recovery. Any profits lost by your failure to show for ATL-MYR were/could be recovered through their overbooking of that flight. If the flight is oversold and a standby is permitted to travel then they can't sue you. The law does not permit one to benefit twice. That's why lawsuits cannot be instituted when one has insurance.

Contrast this situation to when one fails to show for a return flight. If you traveled PIT-ATL, failed to show for ATL-MYR and then showed for MYR-ATL-PIT an airline is well within their right to deny you. Essentially what you did was to breach the contract. Yes, they may have profited from it, but you didn't hold up to your end of the bargain. While they may attempt to try to charge you penalties, fees etc that's crap. I would simply walk away. But don't expect to get on a flight. When a contract is breached, one remedy is for the aggrieved party to repudiate the contract. And Delta is well within their rights to deny one boarding for the return portion. To what extent DL is an aggrieved party is a completely different story.

Again, none of this is legal advice. It's just legal opinion.

Hope that helps. I'd travel, and I have booked others to fly one ways and throwing away return portions.
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:29 am

Jump ship fella. Delta can eat it, those frisky kitties.
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:30 am

Next week I was supposed to do LGA-RDU-JFK on AA. Now my plans have chaged (those pesky customers) and I will instead drive RDU-CLT and since AA can't get me from CLT to NYC without going through ORD (nice try though) I will fly UA CLT-LGA.

I called AA. They said it was non-refundable. I said I know just checking and that I will not use the return and will have to fly UA instead. She said ok that's fine sir.

End of story.

What's the big deal? You paid for the trip. Now they can release your seat to a standby customer if they have one or fly the seat empty. Either way they are no worse off than before. Jump ship. What are they going to do, sue you? That's not my experience. As long as you don't check in, you're fine. But consider calling the airline reservations desk. Tell them your plans changed at the last minute. It's a courtesy to them and they will probably appreciate it.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:04 pm

What's the worst that can happen. You can tell them it was your first time at ATL and you got lost getting to the gate and decided to take a rental car.

Let's make this fun: How about you go to the gate, see if they need volenteers, volenteer, and get $100 voucher! Ok, maybe not!
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:13 pm

Several Things I would like to address first is PGH234s question,

I am a CSA ATL. I have worked MANY MYR flights and most of the time they are oversold. Your ATL - MYR segment is most likely on ASA. You have a few options. Check if the flight is oversold. If it is you can volunteer your seat for another passenger and if they can not accommodate you on the flight they will have to compensate you per the CoC. They may even put you in a hotel at the airlines expense if they can not get you out that day.

If you wish to not fly that segment then I suggest that you just tell the agent that will be assisting you in PIT. I am sure they will be glad to help. I would be.

If you do not want to do that then when you get to ATL just talk to a DELTA AIRLINES AGENT (I say DELTA AIRLINES agent because most ASA agents in ATL do not handle ticketing issues such as what you are contemplating) If they can do something for you they may issue some sort of Transportation Credit Voucher for that segment. I have never charged a passenger extra for ending their travel early. Another thing you can do is simply call 1-800-221-1212 (Delta Reservations) and explain your dilemma to them and I am sure that they will do all that they can to assist you. Remember PIT is a hotly contested market. That is why your ticket was so cheap.

My second point is for N6376M

I have never spoken negatively to anyone here and don't like to at all, this forum is about aviation and sharing it with others. Your comments question my professionalism as CSA. I nor any other agents that I know of have ever lied to any passengers about why a flight has canceled or been delayed just to not have to compensate a passenger. For myself and my fellow agents Passenger Service is paramount to our success as an airline. Sometime are indeed better than others. What purpose do we have to lie to a passenger. There are many underlying causes for flights to be canceled or delayed. I suggest that you re-read jjbivs post again.

Since you are an Executive (what kind and for whom? no one knows) Maybe you should solicit your vast knowledge of the airline industry to your favorite airline. I hear Southwest Airlines needs a new CEO, maybee you should apply for the job.

My third point is for jjbiv

Welcome to my respected users list. Your points are right on mark I couldn't have said them any better. Thanks for defending other CSAs. Our job is not an easy one.

With all that said PGH234 Thank you for flying Delta. I hope that you have a nice flight and that you choose to fly Delta again in the future. As for the Air-Tran X-fare, all that I know is that it is a standby ticket that is subject to the avilability of the flights that you choose to travel on.

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:23 pm

Wow N102daman, thanks! That was definately one of the most helpful and informative posts I've ever seen in the forums, I welcome you to my respected user list as well...


pgh234
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:38 pm

You learn from watching other people make mistakes ( or at least you should) .......so DO IT, and if we dont hear from you in a few days we assume you have been arrested and are sitting next to the Enron dudes.

I mean seriously what could they do.

Acces-Air:
No one seems to be challenging you to any duels. You just need to chill down and dont call people inmoral. Just because we encourage something you don't agree with doesn't make us inmoral people. I could have taken stupid or teenager but not Inmoral
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:52 pm

I did something similar, I had a MTY-MX), Mexico">MEX-ACA trip on MX. Then all of a sudden I dinn't have to leave from Monterrey, but from Reynosa (REX). I had a open REX-MX), Mexico">MEX ticket on AM and took the flight. At MX), Mexico">MEX I just walked up to the MX counter and they gave me my MX), Mexico">MEX-ACA ticket, and I didn't use the MTY-MX), Mexico">MEX segement. It was more expensive to fly MX), Mexico">MEX-ACA than MTY-MX), Mexico">MEX-ACA.

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:27 pm

WHY IS THIS BEING DEBATED IF YOU ARE NOT CHECKING BAGGAGE??? You are going to be called a no show and your ticket for the connecting flight that you don't want anyway will be VOIDED. Anyone who mentions being arrested by TSA should be arrested themselves for being so stupid. TSA does not even have handcuffs and is concerned with people boarding flights not with people NOT boarding flights. Please tell me you were kidding or work for DL or something like that!

I assure you also get to keep your FF miles for both segments even the part you didn't fly. When I was younger I had bought full fare refundable tickets on DL, got my frequent flier miles, flown, then successfully asked for and received a refund without any struggle. If it were me I would be able to play my cards so I could get a REFUND too if I wanted (not that I would)...but don't push your luck. I knew the ins and outs of ticketing and ARC and how they mark you as boarded in the system so I would be on the manifest but they would have me marked manually with no stub (no scan on DL today). I also forked over $$$$$ to DL since I traveled them weekly. Now, I would not do that out of moral reasons unless I was truly sodimized by the airline.

***RE: X-FARES*** which everyone seemed to forget that you asked...if you are leaving from ATL too, they will only charge you the $59 + about $7 in taxes and fees because that is just one segment. Make sure the flight is not oversold (most Airtran flights are) and you don't do it on a Friday or Sunday (they are BLACKOUT DAYS). Even if all flights are wide open, fly the first flight out. I did an X fare from FLL-PHL last summer. I was going to book the ticket from their website for $6 more than the $59 X-fare two days before but didn't because the plane was just over half full and if I changed my travel plans, I just dumped $65 unnecessarily. It was the last flight out on a Saturday afternoon and they canceled it because of technical problems. Everyone who booked it regualar got a hotel, guaranteed flight the next day, and a free round-trip. I on the other hand was stuck sleeping at the airport and the next morning being told that they could not fly me even if there was room because X-fares were not available on Sundays! Monday was a holiday (labor day?) and ALSO a blackout date. I went from easily being able to get on the flight on Saturday afternoon to not being allowed to even try until Tuesday morning. I ended up leaving Sunday afternoon on another airline for top$$$.

Airtran had a web sale that ended today (Thursday), but you may still be able to find a good fare so you don't have to deal with X-fares.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:43 pm

Im telling you, you will be foolish if you try this......Take my 16 years of Travel Agent advice....DONT DO THIS!!!!
If the fares are so cheap to ATL save your Delta ticket for another time and buy a round tripper on AirTran and pay the change fee for Delta later on...even if it is $100.oo plus...It will save you from all kinds of possible problems....Including anything the airline or TSA deems as Suscpicious behaviour!!! Is this worth a possible arrest??? Airlines dont take kindly to these practices and they come down hard on you....Do what you want....but don't blame anyone if you get busted!!!


Just out of curiousity....since when was it a F.A.R. that all pax must complete their entire journey and what part is it? Can anyone show it to me? I doubt its a TSA policy. Besides...Pgh wasnt planning on checking in bags anyway. So whats the problem? Its almost like free money for DL anyway. I think as long as you dont pay by a credit card, you'll probably be fine. If DL tries to charge the missing portion of your flight, you can dispute the charge with your bank and tell them that you never authorized that transaction. It would then be considered as fraud.

I dont think DL would even care less if you completed your journey or not. They got your money and thats all they care about.

So by all means, go ahead and jump ship at ATL. Im sure that there are people on stand-bys needing to get to MYR anyway. So its a win-win situation for everyone involved.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:51 pm

WHAT? Even if you paid by CC, it is ARC with your credit card number not DL! DL could not charge you if they wanted to, WHICH THEY WON'T! I have never heard of someone not using a ticket and then getting sent a bill for the cancelation!
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:30 pm

I did jump ship once on SIA just last year.

My ticket was booked PEN-SIN//SIN-PER//PER-SIN-PEN where // indicates a stopover. On way back from Perth, I wasnt too keen on going up to PEN again, so I decided to stop off at SIN. I had checked bags in this case. So what I did was to call up the SQ ticketing office, tell the reservations lady that I wanted to forgo the SIN-PEN sector, and she checked me in without any problems. Nobody ever said anything on it after that.

Also had friend's dad do something like this. He was on a BKK-KUL-PEN ticket, but he wanted to get off at KUL instead of PEN. He checked in all the way to PEN, but didnt have any check in bags. So, upon reaching KUL, he just walked out of the airport, not boarding the KUL-PEN flight at all. Nothing said nothing happened.

I dont think any airline will be bothered to go and charge you for not flying a certain sector - heck you might even allow them to earn more by letting a standby fly! Maybe it wld be common courtesy to let them know when you check in?

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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:30 pm

Re: But hey, if you can live with yourself for thinking you're above the rules, knock yourself out.

If the airlines can live with themselves for coming up with such ridiculously complicated fare rules, they should learn to accept the consequences when people take advantage of loopholes. If Kelloggs wants to charge 1 dollar for a box of Frosties, but is prepared to sell me a box of Frosties AND a box of Cornflakes for 89 cents, I'd be stupid not to go for the two-for-one, even if I'm allergic to Cornflakes. Kelloggs shouldn't then throw a hissy-fit if I throw the box of Cornflakes away.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:38 pm

As said above, the fare just to ATL was cheaper (see reply #2), DL is making money (and saving money on the one beverage and bag of pretzels). So they wont give a damn if you are on board or not.
And it's not as if the F/A's would mind having one less passenger to serve/DL saving some money on fuel also.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:05 pm

I've done this before - even with checked luggage.
Holding a ticket LAX-ZRH-MUC and just getting off at ZRH didn't cause any problems. Just told the check-in agent at LAX to only check me to ZRH. End of story.
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:13 pm

Jjbiv

Sorry for my delay in responding but I was on another trip on DL. First of all, I am in no way denying that to skip your last segment is a violation of the contract of carriage. I just point out that this is a civil action and not a criminal violation as some have indicated.

Secondly, I never cease laughing at the fact that every airline employee thinks that all airline employees are the hardest working, most honest, most friendly employees out there. They also think that everyone in mgt is a fool and that the situation the airlines find themselves in is only a result of poor mgt. Well, aren't the pilots at UAL part of mgt?

You would think that with such incredible employees, one of them would make it up the ranks into a senior mgt position in one of the airlines, immediately transforming the organization into the model for the rest of the industry.

Don't get me wrong, many of the airline employees I deal with are average or above average, but it is an undeniable fact that some significant percentage (by definition, at least 49.9999% of them) are below average. But more importantly, I've see first hand how some employees treat customers as annoyances. Last night while sitting on an ATR in ATL for 30 whose a/c wasn't working and had to be 90+ degrees inside, a woman asked a FA for a bottle of water. The passanger door was open and we were in the words of the pilot "waiting for a couple last minute bags to be loaded". The FA told her that cabin service would be conducted once we took off. She then went back to chit chatting with her FA colleague about what a horrible line she had pulled. Great customer service!

As for the unconsciounability of the COC, I love how the airlines argue that there existence is a national necessity that requires taxpayer dollars to fund, but then you argue that I'm completely free to pick whoever I want. Basically out of Gainesville to anything other than the Atlantic Coast, I'm limited to DL - not by choice but by necessity. So what is it, are airlines a critical national industry that needs taxpayer protection or is there so much choice that the relationship between buyer and seller is not tilted sharply to one side. Pick an arguement and run with it, but don't argue out of both sides of your mouth.

Now I don't know you from Adam. My comments weren't directed to you personally, but I've seen gate agents lie to customers, caught them in BS excuses and called them on it. As a pilot I've frequently called a FSO to see if there was really a weather delay or a ground hold affecting traffic as the gate agent purported. I'd estimate that a good 30% of the time, there is none. So you characterize that as you want, I'll call it lying. The agent may get bad info, but he is the agent of his employer. If I contracted with his employer for travel, then I expect to be treated honestly by its employees - something which doesn't always occur.

So do two wrongs make a right. No. But why should the obligation to be honest only be unilateral and not bilateral?

-76M

As for why I don't run an airline - the answer is simple: I could not deal with union labor (you know, the same sort of people who wear buttons proudly proclaiming full pay until the last day, while their airline is in bankruptcy). I just can't deal with that sort of mentality.
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:37 am

The very next day, the Delta Police, dressed in all black, came to my door and arrested me for violating their CoC.

Don't do it! You will spend the next 6 months in jail!


that is one of the funniest comments i've ever read on this board!
 
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RE: Skipping Your Connecting Flight (DL)

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:54 pm

Alright everyone, it looks like I am going to do this. Few more questions for those more knowledgeable than me though...

1. Where and when should I tell DL I wont be on the ATL-MYR leg? PIT or ATL or call eservations before hand (in ATL seems safest bet to me)

2. Yes, I did pay by credit card...should i worry?

3. Anybody know loads on FL for ATL-PIT (all flights) this Wednesday the 28th (and Tuesday evening/Thursday morning just to be safe) to see when would be best to bet on an X-fare?

Thanks again,
pgh234