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Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:02 am

Delta has moved ship 802 out of TOC to Delta North...it appears that the right engine is missing and the others are taped up..no idea what they are going to do at this moment.

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:53 am

Unless something's changed in the last week, it's also missing many, many of its control surfaces (obvious parts borrowing going on).

I imagine they finally decided they needed the room outside the TOC ... either that or they finally realized that leaving that plane there - in its current shape - is not what you want a large chunk of your outbound passengers to see while they're taxiing to the runway.

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:00 am

The tail section of the aircraft is missing some pieces.

Obviously it does not look like it is going anywhere anytime soon.

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:41 am

OK, I'll bite. What is TOC? Technical Overhaul Center? And does this particular MD11 hold any significance. Thanks for indulging me with an answer but I'm interested.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:20 am

TOC, is Technical Operations Center...so you were close. The shortened trademarked name is now TechOps.

802 had a bit of trouble during a run up on the ground and torched some wing structure. Rumor has it that it is going to get repaired sooner or later.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:43 am

Auae

Thank you. I'd not heard about that. I try to keep up in the shrinking number of MD-11s. I've worked KLMs and it sure was nice compared to the -10s at least as far as the actually working equipment was concerned.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:47 am

Strange, I have heard rumors to the opposite... That Boeing is in the process of parting it out.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:43 am

Correct this is being parted out. It will be easier for trukes to take the scrap pieces from Delta North rather than the TOC. However we have the possibiity of reativating some five others late this year.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:46 am

this is being parted out

I will have a great view from my office!!!
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:18 am

Me too it is my office. Midfield Support
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:37 am

Im just across the street on the 7th floor.

been on 802 many times to NRT... including those PDX and LAX years.

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:17 am

I'll keep you updated. Flt55 was one my favorite flights to ensure a grand departure from E11.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:34 am

DAL7001...how likely is it we will see the MD-11's back in the sky with DL?
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:44 am

Possibly at yeas end at the latest. Capacity/routes being added so equipment and retiring pilots stir the issue of the MD11
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:04 am

So why'd they decide to part her out? Last I heard, they were going to have it up flying again, as it was a leased a/c...will be kinda sad to see one of Delta's own being pulled apart on airport grounds  Sad

Good to see that rumor may prove to be true...will be nice to see a 3-holer back in ATL. Now, they leased 2 of them to World, right? So those two, minus 802, what will that leave DL with?

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:13 am

802 went back to Boeing and they are parting it out. We have three in Canada that can be activated rather quick. We service World and I believe they have three of them. I am not up to date with the CC contracts. Another note we just flew in 106 and 767 ex GYR,, rather torn but manageble when 114 gets out of the TOC. Let me look at the books on the exact avail/active 11's
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:30 am

>802 went back to Boeing and they are parting it out

Do you mean parting it out as in scrapping it? Is the resale for MD-11s so low that a little scorch will write off an entire 10 year old widebody aircraft? I find that hard to believe.
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:43 am

"parting out" is stripping a plane of all its usable parts. It is what occurs prior to scrapping. Parting out is not scrapping, but the precursor to it.
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:23 pm




I just searched the database for current pics of 802, none found. Could any of you guys at ATL load some pics of it?

Thanks.

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:32 pm

"Little scorch" is a bit of an understatement. Perhaps if the flames didn't travel along the side of the fuselage, damaging the wing/body fairing, windows, flaps, pylon, etc. it wouldn't have been considered. With the number of airframes currently flying, perhaps this airframe is worth more in parts than it would be after repairs. Purely an accounting decision. Looks like we'll be down to 194 of the 200 total MD-11s produced. But think of it this way, for every MD-11 taken out of passenger service, there's one more opportunity for Boeing to sell a 777 instead.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:00 pm

I saw Ship 802 in ATL on Sunday July 18, 2004. It looked like it was in pretty nasty condition. Engines were taped up, and everything.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:43 pm


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Can't see much damage on her but I think this is a picture of her parked at the Delta TOC. March of this year so pretty new. If you can't find her shes in the right side a part from the 3 767's.

Thanks again guys!

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:51 pm

Could somebody give a written source for the information that N802DE is being parted out, as I would like to report this to JACDEC.
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:44 pm

This has to be the first -11 to be parted out , right ? The other missing -11's are Swiss,Fed Ex, Mandarin , Korean and .......... ?
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:07 pm

I would hold your horses on that rumor. I am still hearing that 802 is going to be fixed. I am just a peon here at DL, but I just talked to a good pal over at TOC, no news of parting it out over there. So until I see a wrecking ball parked outside of Delta North, I would assume it is going to be fixed.

Also, I don't think any of the MD-11 leases are up for a good many years. If DL could have turned any over to the Lessor, I think they would have long before now.

Last I checked, World did not have 3 DL MD-11's either.

So just where do you get your info DAL7001????

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:10 pm

My solution: Patch it up and sell it to A4!  Big grin

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:49 pm

Remember - *limited* parting out can occur and the aircraft still eventually get fixed. It's a lot easier for DL, when servicing another MD-11, to pull a part off the one handily parked outside, then to wait for one to arrive from a vendor.

Long as the part is still certified, it's fair game.

And since that plane isn't going anywhere anytime soon, it's got a LOT of handy parts on it.

Possibly they've run out of "easy to get to" parts and moved it somewhere where it's no longer in the way.

who knows? only time will tell.

It may not get actually torn apart though - there's a 737 over there that Airtrain apparently bonked on landing years and years ago ... it's still sitting there, apparently as some kind of training hull.

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:39 am

United_Fan;

Your tally there is pretty good. 5 hull losses so far are: Swiss, Mandaran, Korean, and FedEx (x2).
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:33 am

What conditions would need to be met in order for DL to bring back the MD-11's, given DL declared them in Temporary retirement?

I think they would need very high traffic, which they have, and a deal with DALPA which they don't.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:41 am

It may not get actually torn apart though - there's a 737 over there that Airtran apparently bonked on landing years and years ago ... it's still sitting there, apparently as some kind of training hull.


Ah, "Ghostrider" The lessor wrote it off and the a/c was stripped of it's more valuable pieces (like the engines, APU, interiors and avionics), and was donated to the airport for training purposes.


 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:09 am

OK this is the only Recent DL MD-11 post I can find ~ I was curious is this the last MD-11 DL Has in service, I noticed on their webpage that they still have the seatmap on there.


In the asumption that it is still in service or OTHERS
What are the routes carried by the MD-11?
How many?

[Edited 2004-07-28 02:18:41]
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:04 am

No, Squirrel. The MD-11 is not currently in service with DL. Many are parked at GYR I believe.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:49 am

World has 803DE and 804DE. I think that they are on power-by-the-hour leases. Delta TOC has maintenance contracts with World for all sorts of work on World's eleven MD11s (including the 2 Deltas), as well as some by-the-hour maintenance contracts with World for their fleetwide avionics. World operates the Delta ships in passenger service.

There were rumours that World will pick up some more MD11s, but unclear whether for freight or pax service. World has 3 MD11 freighters, and two are committed now on long-term ACMI contracts. It may be that additional MD11s will be for freight, and thus may not be seen by Delta as a good use of its MD11s.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the MD11 market over the next few months. The MD11 is a great freighter. Nevertheless, UPS, I think, had been equivocal about its conversion program and whether it would pick up all the ships it had options on. The recent financial results from UPS and FedEx, which are leading indicators of the economic recovery, show that their traffic, particularly intercontinental traffic, is booming beyond all expectations. This should benefit, in the short haul, folks like World, Gemini, etc. who can provide fast, temporary extra lift, and may then benefit the MD11 market as folks like FedEx and UPS look for rapidly-available additional intercontinental lift smaller than a 747.

If DHL really starts to make inroads in the US, I'm curious to see how it chooses to increase it overseas feeder lift. The A300 may ultimately not be big enough...

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:59 pm

Ship 802 is NOT being parted out. Boeing and the insurance underwriters have finally come to terms. It was moved to Delta North were a Boeing RAM team will repair it. Laast estimate I heard was $13 M. This comes from a very good source.
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:13 am

Latest is yes 802 will be repaired, and World does have 803DE and 804DE leased from Delta. Ship 803DE is right in front of the T.O.C. as of this writing, she is there for reg scheduled maintenance. Ship 804 is scheduled to be in ATL tomorrow for scheduled maintenance. Rumor has it that World is getting 2 more MD-11 freighters next year.
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:42 pm

Dal7001 said (in reply 15) "we have three in Canada that can be activated rather quick". I didn't realize there were any MD-11s up here! Who is operating them (or are they in storage)?
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:31 pm

The other MD11's in Canada are in storage.
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:42 pm

But think of it this way, for every MD-11 taken out of passenger service, there's one more opportunity for Boeing to sell a 777 instead.
True, but that is highly un-likely in Delta's situation.

This should benefit, in the short haul, folks like World, Gemini, etc. who can provide fast, temporary extra lift, and may then benefit the MD11 market as folks like FedEx and UPS look for rapidly-available additional intercontinental lift smaller than a 747.
I have heard that UPS is strongly considering the 777F, as they will need to compete with FexEx and their 380s, but the MD-11 is not suitable.

There was topic a few weeks ago that, if I can find it, has a lot of information.

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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:45 pm

i'm working over in the ASA building this week, ill try to snap some pics for you guys.
 
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:35 am

If your going to take a picture of her go around the fence and take a good one. The one inside the check point is not so pretty. We have many parts removed from her right side and tail section. This is a pretty bird.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:14 am

Looks like 802 will be repaired and leased to World Airways. We can't keep it hidden @ DN forever.
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:23 am

I was in ATL yesterday and while taxing out to take off i noticed what i thought was a World Airways MD-11 in the Delta hangar. Any info on this???
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:26 am

They have leases on 2. We provide the MTC for them. 802 is at the north end ( Delta North ).
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:11 am

How disappointing. Still no pics of Ship 802? Any updates on it's movements at ATL?
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RE: Movement On DL-MD-11 Ship 802

Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:51 am

World MD-11 N272WA was at Delta for a #2 Engine change due to time...

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