MSYtristar
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MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:13 am

At an airport manager's meeting the other day, airport officials were talking about the planned closure of runway 10/28 (MSY's longest runway at 10,120ft.) which will take place in January 2005. The runway will remain closed for nine months, so all aircraft will have to utilize the shorter runway 1/19 (7,000ft.). This will mean that some longer flights will have to be weight restricted once late Spring/Summer 2005 rolls around. The United manager mentioned that UA will probably bring in larger aircraft (757's) to handle the LAX/SFO runs while the long runway is closed. Also, I'd expect to see some NWA DC-9's get replaced with more Airbus aircraft, especially on the MSP flights which tend to get weight restricted frequently. America West might have a tough time getting a full 733 off the 7000ft. runway on its PHX run. I could see them upgrading to a 320. Southwest may have some problems taking a full load to LAS/LAX/SAN/OAK, but they can't exactly do an equipment upgrade. Things should be interesting around here as of January.
 
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:35 am

I'm surprised they're doing so before the Mardi Gras rush... oh well, will make for some great spotting at Rwy19  Big thumbs up
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:38 am

Good. Maybe you guys will fix that ditch in runway 10 thats right around the 1000' markers. Everytime I do a takeoff I get my spine compressed.
 
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:42 am

...they shut the runway down to work on that a couple of months ago. Unfortunately, it's a persistant problem (unsettled ground) that's existed for quite a while, and will probably present itself once again.  Sad
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:43 am

MSYtristar, Why are they taking the runway down? Are they doing maintenance or repaving or something?
 
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:48 am

Southwest's 737-700s shouldn't have much of problem operating the longer flights from New Orleans from the shorter runway.
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:24 am

MSYtristar, Why are they taking the runway down? Are they doing maintenance or repaving or something?

Building runways on lower-than-sea-level swampland wasn't the greatest choice in the world, but unfortunately, the only choice we had.

Sinkage is a problem (foam underpadding assists), as well as runway fatigue: as a result Rwy1/19 was rebuilt for the first time in about a quarter century last year, and now it's time for Rwy10/28 to experience the same.
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:29 am

Why would Southwest have any problems taking off from a 7000 foot runway? Aren't the runways at MDW a lot shorter?
 
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:19 am

Aren't the runways at MDW a lot shorter?

...yes, but the heat index there doesn't routinely top 100 either  Big grin

Then again, MSY has the elevation advantage. So who knows.
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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:46 am

Why are they taking the runway down? Are they doing maintenance or repaving or something?

We're doing a complete reconstruction of the runway, and most of the parallel taxiway. We did the same thing with 1/19 last fall.

Maybe you guys will fix that ditch in runway 10 thats right around the 1000' markers. Everytime I do a takeoff I get my spine compressed.

That 'ditch' exists because the State of Louisiana, in their infinite wisdom, insisted that we build a tunnel underneath the runway while we were extending the runway back in the late 80's. They wanted to provide for a future connection from Airline Highway to Veterans Blvd on the west end of the field. To date, the state has not come up with the needed funds to complete the road. The tunnel remains sealed off to this day. Blame the state for that one, not the airport.

...they shut the runway down to work on that a couple of months ago. Unfortunately, it's a persistant problem (unsettled ground) that's existed for quite a while, and will probably present itself once again.

The problem is actually that the area around the tunnel is what settles over time. The concrete over the tunnel hasn't budged an inch in 15 years. Consequently, the paved areas abutting the surface over the tunnel can get some very annoysome bumps/edges. We have to go back every few years, and mill and repave both sides. Again, blame the state's DOT.

I recall seeing some video that one of our consultants took years ago, showing a CO MD-80 departing runway 10.....once he reached the tunnel, the nose wheel actually came off the ground, plopped back down, and repeated the process on the far side of the tunnel. I also recalled an AA DC-10 pilot commenting that the 'dip' (as we call it) was like an E-ticket ride at Disneyland.

Tom at MSY



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RE: MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?

Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:55 am

Building runways on lower-than-sea-level swampland wasn't the greatest choice in the world, but unfortunately, the only choice we had.

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