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Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:51 am

I finally have access to this channel on a regular basis. It may be me, but it seems as though everything is about war and killing. If it's not about war then it's prop-driven aviation in the early days with black & white footage.

I don't mind a some military programs, but I really don't care about fighters, and bombers(probably because I'll never fly in them and really hate war). There seems to be very little about airports, airlines, and their aircraft.

Are they doing some kind of "War Month" or something? So far I'm really disappointed.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:57 am

Funny...

...I got it as well last week and I was thinking the same thing. I don't mind war and the history of it, but I would really like more about GA and airliners. Hey, Discovery, if you're reading, more civil aviation please!
 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:02 pm

Some of us like the fighters. I know I enjoy the fighters as much as I enjoy the civil side. Certain times of the year (right before/after an airshow, or before and after a photo op flight) maybe more.

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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:04 pm

I agree - actually told my wife last week that this could be one of the most interesting channels we get, but as it is I never watch it.

They probably just buy a lot of cheap old documentaries. The Discovery Channel itself has better aviation-related specials.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:12 pm

Discovery Wings could be a great channel but as it is right now it is a huge dissapointment. Almost everything on the channel I saw in the early to mid 1990s on the main Discovery channel.

And the amount of repeats is astounding. The Pearl Harbour personal accounts were interesting the first four times, but after that you get a little fed up.
 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:15 pm

I like the stuff on DWings, but yes, I've seen most of it multiple times. Right now the History Channel has more original content. I don't mind the war stuff--actually, I like it, but IMHO DWings could nuke the infomercial crap and add more diversity instead.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:18 pm

What would you prefer they show? "this is an A340 n emirates livery" or "here is the magnificent DC10 in the old National Airlines livery"? Sorry, but the bulk of aviation history comes from the military.
 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:18 pm

I emailed them something to the effect that they could perhaps make it more boring, but I couldn't think how. I suggested some of the excellent "in the cockpit" videos or an hour of landings and takeoffs from a good position at a major airport. Sports aviation and footage taken from low-flying aircraft, or approaches in interesting places would be nice for variety, also. They never answered. Ah, well. Jan (the repetition doesn't seem to get better. I've had it for two years and some of the fillers have been used so much, I'm beginning to wonder if anyone is actually there).
 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:24 pm

Cable Channels are a lot like Airlines. Far too many with a mediocre product.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:28 pm

Well I enjoy it, and we keep it on at work usually LOL, sure I can see Civil aviation getting added to more of the schedule, but they must be getting the ratings now as it is. Also as noted above, what exactly about civil av could be added: reruns of airline, more of the inflight videos the hobby shops sell?
I do hope there are fewer repeats in the new "ratings" season.

And look at the History CHannel, the majority of those shows are on war (though not as much as a few years ago- So maybe your letters will be heard). Of course the majority of the World's history is war.

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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:48 pm

Maybe because civil aviation is about as exciting as watching paint dry? Despite all the attempts to make it as glamorous as the luxury liners and luxury trains of years past, you're still flying in a metal tube that's been designed to stay squarely in the center of its performance envelope. Just remember - it's those military aircraft and those wars that you find so loathsome that made it possible for you to sit around and gripe about military aviation.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:50 pm

Frankly, I am getting tired of the endless episodes set at Heathrow. There is only so much of this I can take, like British Airways officials trying to find the foul odor in a B747, or interviews with the drunken passenger trying to makeout with the flight attendant, or the flight crew member who is having to balance her job with her husband, or the doggone baggage carousel which doesn't seem to "operate properly". Like that British chap has instant credibility because he has that accent and we are supposed to believe that they have it going on there.

How about going to small airports around the UNITED STATES ! ! ! Maybe an episode about the Airframe and Powerplant mechanics who work behind the scenes to make sure people don't die, or the small town crop duster who makes his living dodging wires, telephone poles and tractors, or a REAL homebuilt guy who works weekends putting together basic air transportation to experience aviation, etc.

Now here's a wild one, how about an episode set at Philipsburg / St. Maarten -Princess Juliana (SXM / TNCM). A bit of low flying aircraft, good people enjoying the beach and plenty of scantily clad babes!

I am really tired of the military stuff. I get enough of that with the local news.

Just my thoughts

 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:52 pm

Right now, one of their favorite topics is on......Russian Aviation. The ones narrated by Peter Ustinov.

I must have seen every one of these episodes a zillion times.



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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:11 pm

I've had Discovery Wings for well over a year and I've seen everthing they have a dozen times...never anything new...I've often thought they should rename it "The Discovery War Channel"..
 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:36 pm

I've found that I need to check Discovery, Disc Wings, History, History International,Discovery V ( i think that's Disc Civilation ),National Geographic, and sometimes, even the Travel Channel to maximise my aviation fixes ! For example, History has Runways, Jet Engines, and Apollo 11 (which I happened to support 35 years ago) on tonight.

Originally, my wife and I jokingly called the History Channel the Hitler channel, but it got better a few years ago.

Most cable companies have all the channels I mentioned, if you already have Discovery Wings.

There are some really good suggestions in this thread; I hope the Discovery channel(s) management reads all this
 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:39 pm

Yea it does repeat alot. I like learning to fly Airports and a Plane is born. Then there is the good show on airlines or flight crew twice a month. They have a show saying wow look at this brand new 777. When it first came out. They need to get new stuff.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:41 pm

While the Discovery Wings channel will occasionally air an airline related progtram, the History channel(s) seems to be the more "happening place" for airline and airliner programs. The eras covered are from the days when a scheduled network of Zeppelin services operated in Germany (before World War I) through the development of the 777 and A380 -- and everything in between.
 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:31 pm

I'm sorry to hear that...

I watch Discovery Wings as often as I can. Military aircraft drive the technology that filters down. To those that proclaim to "hate war", well - no one really likes it (extremist excluded). I find the military episodes illuminating: the other day they were showing something about the AC-130H Spectar gunships. To paraphrase Mr. Spock: fascinating!

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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:59 pm

I'm all for ANYTHING aviation. I don't discriminate. Planes are planes, and I love them all.

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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:24 pm

"How about going to small airports around the UNITED STATES ! ! ! Maybe an episode about the Airframe and Powerplant mechanics who work behind the scenes to make sure people don't die, or the small town crop duster who makes his living dodging wires, telephone poles and tractors, or a REAL homebuilt guy who works weekends putting together basic air transportation to experience aviation, etc."

Leon8828, I couldn't agree more!!! I don't even watch Discovery Wings anymore, much to my surprise. I am sick to death of Heathrow. The channel could be so much more, showing the many facets of aviation. I would LOVE to see a show on the life of an airframe and/or powerplant mechanic working his shift. An inside view of airline operations, aircraft scheduling, dealing with all arising problems and yet keeping the scheduled flights supplied with aircraft, etc. There's a whole world of things they could show and really educate and inform us that are "outside the industry". Of course, I'm sure it is largely a matter of money. Don't get me wrong...I would not want to see them completely change and not cover military aviation, early aviation, etc, I'd just like to see more diversity.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:40 pm

Right now, one of their favorite topics is on......Russian Aviation. The ones narrated by Peter Ustinov.

Yup, just repeats of "Wings of the Red Star" that has been on Discovery since the early 1990s. Still interesting once in a while but way too repetitive. There is nothing (or very little) on newer aircraft such as the TU-160 and the newer SU-27 deriviatives. And I have not seen a single segment on a Russian/Soviet civilian airliners.

I agree that civil aviation is not the most exciting topic, but how about a few short segments different areas of airline operations - kind of like Airport or Airline but more focussed on the technical aspects - you must be a geek watching Discovery Wings in the first place  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:47 pm

Maybe because civil aviation is about as exciting as watching paint dry?

Oh, this is complete crap. Why are you even in this forum if that's the case? This is the civil aviation forum - if you find it so boring, I don't understand why it's even worth talking about.

There are dozens and dozens of topics that could be done on DCWings. Some of my favorite aviation-related shows are about accidents - probably the best aviation-related special I *ever* saw was a 4-hour (or was it 6?) look at several famous accidents and the process of investigating them that ran on the Discovery Channel itself a few years back, no less. What about a series of specials on individual accidents that follow the same pattern? These always seem popular and are seen on many other *non* aviation channels - you'd think a channel dedicated to aviation would have a few of them too.

What about specials on things like the creation of the A380 or the 747, which ran on TLC and Discovery Science, respectively? Again, is this not the kind of show a channel *dedicated* to aviation should be running? There are plenty of such shows about military aircraft on DCWings - why not civil? (I've seen a few old documentaries like this, but nothing about any recent airliner.)

Hell, how about running aviation-related movies late at night instead of infomercials? They may not be very factually accurate, but a lot of us will put on a movie like Airport (any of them) just to planespot. I even watch made-for-tv crap if it's got some good airplane operations in it. I can't imagine movies like this would be very expensive to license and re-run.

I'm looking at my TiVo right now just to see what's upcoming on DCWings and it's almost entirely "Wings at War", "Airport" (which is fine), "A Plane is Born", "Learning to Fly" and "History of Flight", with a bit of "Wings over [the Pacific] [Vietnam] [Europe]" thrown in. Then you've got shows like Aerospace, one of which has a description that reads "World of aircraft maintenance." I suppose this is a program so compelling that it requires a repeat not two hours after its original showing?

I have nothing against military aircraft and enjoy a good military TV show also. But the problems are their military aircraft shows are not very good to begin with, and there's almost nothing at all on modern civil aviation, which can be just as interesting.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:01 am

As somebody who watched Wings, both on the discovery channel and the re-runs of that awful sitcom on USA, from the late-80s into the early-90s, much of the programming on D-Wings are those old episodes of Wings from 15 years ago. The Learning to Fly series, as well as a Plane/Helicopter is Born series are among their best original shows. But everything else is just a repeat.

Admittedly the CivAv side, beyond the development and design of new planes and specials on crashes is pretty barren.

However the recent series on several major accidents airing on National Geographic has been surprisingly good. Most of those types of specials are piss poor or just plain inaccurate. The Frontline Special on SR111 was probably the best of the bunch.

As for showing movies in the off-peak hours, that won't happen. They cost money to buy the rights to while the info-mercials make money. And it isn't like "Pearl Harboor" with Charlton Heston and Erik Estrada isn't on 3x a week on AMC anyways.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:51 am

They have to cater to a wide audience, and letting you spot airliners taking off and landing without getting your butt off the couch is probably not going to get them too many viewers. Showing something interesting will.

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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:32 am

I agree with you guys. I used to watch Discovery Wings all the time because they had good stuff on but not anymore.

I liked all the things about ATC, "Before the boarding pass-behind the scenes", F/A and Pilot stories.

More take-off/landings, behind the scenes-tech ops, details about commercial aircraft, engines, wings, performance...that sort of thing like you all mentioned would make for a great show.
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:44 am

I've always found it to be more War Plane oriented than civil. Besides the 777 program and a sniglet on the Caravelle and Comet, it's somewhat dissapointing. I finally had my service cut back and now it doesn't include Discovery Wings. My cable company considers it a Premier Channel.  Yeah sure NOT!
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:49 am

"I've always found it to be more War Plane oriented than civil. Besides the 777 program and a sniglet on the Caravelle and Comet, it's somewhat dissapointing. I finally had my service cut back and now it doesn't include Discovery Wings. My cable company considers it a Premier Channel. NOT! "

Many, myself included, find military aircraft to be far more interesting than civil aircraft. Your just in the minority who find civil aircraft more interesting. Besides, you did what every responsible consumer does when they don't like a product - cancel the service.

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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:06 am

Tasha: I agree, I'm probably in the minority. But, why not have Discovery Wings Military and Discovery Wings Civil/Commercial? I'm sure there's a demand there, nonetheless. Big grin You'll notice this is a site that is primarily dedicated to Commercial Aviation, however there are different forums available to all aviation enthusiasts. Maybe Discovery Wings just needs to be a little more "Forum Oriented"  Big grin
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RE: Discovery Wings: War, War, War....

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:30 am

Everything I've seen on Discovery Wings I've probably already seen. I find myself repeating lines from the documentaries before they are said. But seriously, I think its a great channel, gives you interesting little tid-bits of info about aviation. I don't JUST like Civil Aviation...I like aviation as a whole...and having a more rounded aviation mind is always a good thing.
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