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Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:44 pm

I know on the occasional weather delay that yes an airport shuts down and flights are cancelled, yet do airports truly close?

I know at smaller airports such as BUF most flights are in and done by 12:30 AM, with a four hour gap before the morning rush will start. During that time frame will the airport be closed? Or will the security continue to monitor anybody who may be stranded in the airport for whatever reason? Just a question that always perplexed me.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:22 pm

I can tell you from personal experiance that GPT does close between midnight and 445am. Sometimes I'm booked on the 545am ASA flight to ATL and I can't even get in the door to right at 445am, and then the TSA screeners don't start work till 5am. I have never seen anyone stranded at GPT, but I'm sure just because I haven't seen it, it does happen.

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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:48 pm

Doesn't Heathrow kinda close at a certain time so the Queen can sleep....I heard that somewhere not sure if that's true...
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:55 pm

LGB and SNA come to mind....
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:21 pm

Just because an airport has a curfew doesn't mean it closes. In most cases they are transportation hubs and include bus stations, train stations, subway stations, etc. Although LGB and SNA may close I think the questioner is asking more along the lines of "do they lock their doors." The answer is some do and some don't. GPT is an example of one that does which probably means that TSA leaves checkpoint for roughly 4 hours a day and to prevent any type of security breaches the local LEO's sweep the terminals and concourses and lock the airport. Then you have cities like ATL that allow passengers to sleep in the concourses and they allow this because in most cases they have flights arriving and departing at all hours.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:49 pm

Yes, many airports close down completely during the night.
Especially small ones where there simply aren't any night flights it doesn't make economic sense to keep people working 24/7 to handle aircraft and passengers that aren't there anyway.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:01 pm

A lot of airports having curfew close. Some departure halls might be open for public but the gate area is normally closed. I know this happens in ZRH, LHR (some terminals), HNL and other airports. There are also a lot of 24hrs airports (KUL, CMB, BKK, DXB etc)
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:30 pm

ABZ definitely closes. I shuts at the moment around 2230 although the Airlines can use slots allocated by ATC to keep the field open an extra 30 mins -1hr. Some bureaucratic nonsense that doesn't allow Aircraft over the city at night.
Many a time we have had to divert to EDI or GLA because ABZ was closed. Then take a 3hr bus ride with some unhappy passengers.
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:52 pm

As Jwenting said, many small airports close when there's no traffic. There's even a specific airport suffix, H24, to indicate whether the airport is operational 24 hours a day or not. International airports, or any airport that has a high probability of international traffic, is H24, while the smaller regional can be closed, depending on the season. At least here in Croatia, the general rule of thumb is that any airport having an ILS is H24, since it means a lot of traffic, especially now during tourist season.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:19 pm

Well the last time i checked Heathrow closes between about 23:30 and 04:30 every night. During this time it is extremely rare for a flight to land or depart, unless it is a late arrival, or some kind of re-positioning flight. As for the Queen  Smile/happy/getting dizzy im not sure it has anything to do with her, but more like the people who live in Hounslow and the neighbouring villages for noise and environmental purposes. The other London airports open virtually all night, with the occasional Charter.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:34 pm

Auckland Airport doesn't close, but ir has not flights for about 3 or 4 hours during the night so it effectively has nothing going on. It has clsoed twice in the last few weeks due to fog and bad weather.
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:47 pm

Wellington Airport Terminal closes its doors from 2am-4am. If any flights have to land or depart during the 2 hours the airport is closed then the planes use the Royal New Zealand Air Force Terminal. Planes are only allowed to land if its an emergency landing, late arrival, or if the Prime Minister or any other VIPs have to land or depart due to an emergency.
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:56 pm

>>>It has clsoed twice in the last few weeks due to fog and bad weather.

>>>I know on the occasional weather delay that yes an airport shuts down and flights are cancelled, yet do airports truly close?

I don't want to appear to be "hair-splitting" but airports don't actually "close" per se when it comes to most weather situations....

If fog rolls in and drops the visibility below authorized landing minimums, it's true that the aircraft then can't land, but the airport is still "open" (i.e. -NOT- closed by issuance of a NOTAM) --it's just below minimums. If the fog abates a tad so the RVR or visibility comes up to minimums (and fog often fluctuates), aircraft will start approaches again. Sometimes, the fog comes in and stays. In any event, some crews/airline personnel might indeed tell passengers that "XYZ is closed" but that's just simplier, shorter, and less confusing than saying "XYZ is below landing minimums".

The same situation occurs with thunderstorms. When they move in, operations are suspended, flights circle in holding patterns (with some perhaps diverting), but eventually the weather moves elsewhere and approaches resume. The airport has never been "closed" (a NOTAM saying XYZ airport closed), it's just been temporarily unusable due to the storms (which may/may not have had the airport technically below landing minimums).

I won't re-hash all the various examples that folks have mentioned of how and why airports are closed but from an operational perspective, -some- weather can indeed close an airport. If a major snowstorm dumps more snow than an airport keep up with (plowing, etc.), the entity operating the airport will quite likely issue a NOTAM stating that "XYZ ARPT CLSD UFN".

The main difference is this: If it's a transient weather event, the airport is open but just temporarily below landing minimums. If it's a larger scale weather event with associated side effects (snow accumulations, standing water, or storm debris) it may well be that the airport is truly "closed" for awhile. If a NOTAM hasn't been issed saying the airport is "closed", the airport is thus "open."
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:12 pm

Since my flight out of MAN (Two weeks ago yesterday) was due out at 04:30 we checked in at 02:10. I can safley say that there are no flights in or out between 1am and 3am. It is a noise abatment thing and kinda hampers our cargo expansion possibilities but it makes for great photo opportunities.

BTW when I was leaving there was a T-Storm over Manchester (and the airport) and it was a very big storm which also meant no flights would have come/gone regardless of the time. I ran onto the car park roof to get an Anet first (I thought I saw the Monarch A330 in new colours - a hybrid) but it was the water on the windows (and my tyred eyes) decieving me so I got soaked for nothing.

Nice to see every space at the airport occupied though  Big grin

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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:00 am

Operationally, airports are open all the time. Whether it's a small general aviation airport in the middle of nowhere or a bustling hub-airport with cargo and passenger ops in the middle of the night, the runways are always open as long as it is safe for airplanes to land on them.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:05 am

I was early for a flight from Eindhoven (EIN) once, and there was literally nobody there, until the newspaper boy arrived. The terminal building was closed, and there's nothing outside, only a little overhang to save yourself from the rain. I doubt that the tower was occupied, either. Ofcourse any plane in real trouble could still land completely manually, always better than a strip of grass I guess  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:23 am

The famous Sleeping in Airports site has some useful information:
http://www.sleepinginairports.net/
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:27 am

Since my flight out of MAN (Two weeks ago yesterday) was due out at 04:30 we checked in at 02:10. I can safley say that there are no flights in or out between 1am and 3am. It is a noise abatment thing and kinda hampers our cargo expansion possibilities but it makes for great photo opportunities.


MAN isn't restricted like that. FedEx as going to set up a hub here but the only problem was available space.

There are restrictions however, such as 24L/06R not being available unless for emergencies/maintenance and arriving aircraft are encouraged not to use reverse thrust. The lack of movements between 1am and 3am is more to do with the waves in which charters tend to depart as there are practically no scheduled ops at that time except for cargo.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:29 am

I know that SCE closes...i got there at 4:30 for a 6am flight in May and everyone was standing outside..i thought something was wrong but the airport did not open until 4:45am. I am not surprised that SCE closes considering there is not much there  Big thumbs up
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:42 am

Airports in the Caribbean pretty much roll up the sidewalks after 7:00pm, SJU I think closes up at 7:30pm. A few years ago, I took one of the last flights out of SJU and it was about 7:30pm and everything was shutting down. Also, Bermuda/ BDA(Kindley) comes to mind, but I think they close at sunset.  Big grin
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:03 am

BOG and MZL are closed frequently, mostly weather, cuz here in Colombia, it gets NASTY:
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:36 am

Yes every airport in the USA closed from 9-11-01 through 9-13-01
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:10 am

Since my flight out of MAN (Two weeks ago yesterday) was due out at 04:30 we checked in at 02:10. I can safley say that there are no flights in or out between 1am and 3am. It is a noise abatment thing and kinda hampers our cargo expansion possibilities but it makes for great photo opportunities.

Last time I was in MAN at crazy AM (something like 0200) there was a flight land, a bmibaby one (from ALC I think), not sure if thats what time it was ment to land or if it was delayed, but it did. Not much to do in MAN at that time really!
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:15 am

West coast airports (LAX, SEA, Anchorage) seem to be open very late for late departures at 2 or 3am, and also for fuel stops/adding passengers for continuation of flights from eastern cities on the way to Asia/Pacific cities.

Furthermore, if you want to see 24 hour activity, visit Indian airports.
Because India is roughly 12 hours ahead of U.S. time zones, international flights arrive and depart at all hours of the night.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:52 am

TUS used to close down, after midnight, not sure if it still does
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:45 am

>>>Yes every airport in the USA closed from 9-11-01 through 9-13-01

Not quite. AA got special permission to run aircraft from DFW to the NYC and DC areas to help local personnel handle the aftermath of their having lost 2 aircraft. I presume UA did the same from ORD to NYC and the PIT/JST area.

The DOJ "Con-Air" flights also operated as normal, since they obviously didn't have to worry about "security".....  Big grin

As an aside, I was in between houses on 9/11 and was staying in a hotel on the NE side of DFW. The above flights aside, it was indeed so quiet that it was almost surreal....
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:47 am

OPNLguy,

Is that got special permission from AA and will use fly to New York? How you even know about with those information?

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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:00 am

>>>How you even know about with those information?

You'll have to trust me on this Scott....  Big grin

To clarify, the DFW-DC and DFW-NYC flights had nothing but employees onboard...

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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:58 am

Here in QRO (Queretaro), Mexico I have expirenced controllers charging people for "overtime" when flights operate past a certain schedule. I had to go up to CT to pay the controller for my "overtime".

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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:46 am

I believe Reagan- National, DCA, has a curfew, but I do not know if they actually lock the doors.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:24 pm

Sydney Airport closes from around 11.30 pm until 4.30pm. Curfew restrctions are extremely tight and the airlines are charged approx $100,000 if they land or depart between 11pm and 5am.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:12 pm

Well according to Michael Moore, there were a few planes operating carrying Saudis and the Bin Ladin family out of the USA.

If there was such thing, does anyone know the aircraft used?
 
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:11 pm

ORD does not really close, but they have different rules at night, with probably reduced security. Only people with valid ticket for a flight within the next hours can enter the buildings.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:34 pm

Okie Dokie I stand corrected - I was just quoting what some Servicair person told me.

Granted MAN is very dull in the early hours, Everything is closed, we went through Passport Control and everything in T2 was closed including the duty free shop, the only places that were open in there was a pub (which had no staff inside) and the information desk which guess what - had nobody around either.

Word of warning to anyone who wants to get their copy of Airliner World from T2, they don't sell it in the WH Smith past PP Control (As I found out to my disgust when they finally opened around 03:35).

Oh yeah well there were some movements but the aircraft were being moved around by Tugs.

I had been on some flights before which had arrived between 1am-3am including an Air 2000 one some years ago and there was a long line of aircraft on approach. But like I said I was quoting (and there were no aircraft seen after the storm had passed).

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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:58 pm

ARN doesn't close either. Among others, West Air Sweden flies mail in ATP's and HS-748's during the darkest hours. On rare occasions, bizjets have roamed above my house at 3 am when landing BMA. Guess it's the Air Force though...

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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:46 pm

TLV is closed every year, for 30 hours, and that includes the entire airspace of Israel.
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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:07 am

I dont know if major commercial airports ever officially "close".

FWIW, in case of BOM (Mumbai), I think it wouldnt be too facetious to say that airport (the international terminal atleast) perhaps "opens" around 8:00 PM and is at its busiest during the hours between 9 PM to 4:00 AM. Thats when a ton of intn'l flights seem to arrive and depart.

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RE: Do Airports "Close"

Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:59 am

Yes every airport in the USA closed from 9-11-01 through 9-13-01

Not quite. AA got special permission to run aircraft from DFW to the NYC and DC areas to help local personnel handle the aftermath of their having lost 2 aircraft. I presume UA did the same from ORD to NYC and the PIT/JST area.

Actually, I believe AA's special flight was from DFW to LAX.
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