Alitalia744
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Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:56 am

Alitalia is supposed to be starting daily MXP-LAX service beginning June 2005 operated with B777 aircraft...FYI
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scottysair
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:58 am

Well, Is that good news for bring them back service to LAX again and let make very good warm welcome back.
 
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:09 am

I am just curious, what is their current 777 fleet, and do they have more 777s on order?

Also, is there an update with the rumor that they are bringing back their MD-11s?

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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:14 am


always good to see that there will be something new to spot from Imperial Hill!


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Alitalia744
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:25 am

Will-

Current fleet is 10 777-243ER's on the roster (6 owned, 4 leased). There's talk of converting some additional options to firm order, potentially including 777-343ER's. Their flights to JFK and NRT are constantly 100% full...

Currently 777's fly from MXP/FCO to the following destinations:
JFK/EWR/KIX/NRT/EZE/GRU and MIA (alternating with 763's).

5 MD11 Combi's are scheduled to be back on the roster in March '05 and will fly to ORD, DEL, and MIA (alternating with 777's).

Their 763 fleet is about to undergo refurbishment - with interiors similar to 777's being installed and IFE in every seat. Additionally, rumour has it they've just ordered (through ILFC) 4 additional 763ER's.

Next year, in addition to LAX, they're starting service to Shanghai.

hope that helps.
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:27 am

Wow, thank you!

Additionally, rumour has it they've just ordered (through ILFC) 4 additional 763ER's.
One last question, does ILFC already have the four planes, or do they have to be ordered from Boeing?

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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:40 am

there are currently 4 unidentified 767 orders in Boeing's logbook - these are alledgedly the ones for ILFC/AZ...

that's what I've been told, but may be rumoured..
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:50 am

Alright. Thanks again.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:00 am

When is AZ coming to PHL? It would be a logical choice with the amount of Italians that live in the Delaware Valley.
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:04 am

Thanks for the info Alitalia744.

While I think LAX is a logical choice for Alitalia, I've heard it so many times, I won't believe till you can book it. Though no doubt it makes perfect sense.

With regards to MIA, we are currently a 763 service. The 772 returns for the peak season, and is currently scheduled to operate MIA-MXP 29Oct04 through 31May05.
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:06 am

Anyone read BA's response to all this expansion? Check out http://www.britishairways.com/cgi-bin/press/view_article.pl?year=2004&month=07&day=19&index=0&reference=062/KG/04&title=Call%20to%20reject%20Alitalia%20rescue&mail=contact&image=none&position=none&caption= for their press release... And really, you can't help but agree with them... Why should AZ be allowed to expand this quickly while getting a state-guaranteed loan?

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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:07 am

Yes, this is one of service to MIA is used on the B777 aircraft and will make during for peak season flight.
 
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:16 am

Klik,

They're expanding into places that will guarantee them profits, that will enable them to pay back their loan, as they'll be making money. If they use (part of) the money from the loan to lease/ buy B777-300ERs, they can most definitely fill the seats to at least a couple of destinations, say JFK, NRT, and MIA (in the winter). And more seats= more profit= more $ for Alitalia. I wish them the best of luck with their expansion, with hopes that they keep adding new aircraft and still make loads of cash  Big thumbs up!
 
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:02 am

Hey



I dont know if AZ would start services to PHL because they already have a strong relation with DL they would probaly just code share flights there then doing a direct service. I find it funny that AZ doesnt opperate ATL.

Also does anyone no if AZs MD-11s will be installed with this new interior along with the 767?? I personally think that AZ should purchase some 764s and maybe one or two 773Ers

My dream fleet for AZ would be

14 B772s
6 B763
3 B764
7 MD-11s
2 B773ER
20 A320s
10 A319s
10 E170s
7 A330s

thanks
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:05 am

what's with all the long haul types? Cut to the 777s and the 767s.
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:06 am

Did Alitalia not mention that it wanted to fly to Montreal according to their master plan?

 
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:19 am

AlitaliaMD11-

AZ's long-term fleet plan is most likely

6 777-300ER
14 777-200ER
17 767-300ER
23 A321-100
20 A320-200
40 A319-100
20 EMB-170
10 EMB-145

7E7's to replace 763's eventually....
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:28 am

14 B772s
6 B763
3 B764
7 MD-11s
2 B773ER
20 A320s
10 A319s
10 E170s
7 A330s


The 767s and 330s do not make sense, and the same with the 764s, 777s, and MD-11s. However, since we are on the topic of dream fleets, how about adding some 744s?

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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:56 am

I am very very happy to read this one, I remember when AZ flew to LAX using B747 and this was not long ago.... I always wondered the reason why this service was cancelled, perhaps because of DL alliance. I knew load factor was very good and also cargo wasn't bad, in fact sometimes AZ used MD-11 Combi for this route and actually there is a code-sharing flight operated by Cargolux via LUX, so I believe that this is the logical conclusion.  Smile

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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:59 am

IDISA-

Benvenuti! Lavori per Alitalia? E-mail me sometime. I just got back from Italy and took IDISO "Positano."

Anyway, loads on the LAX flight were decent, and cargo was good. The problem was after 9/11, pax declined and AZ was faced with a shortage of aircraft. I'm surprised they started IAD before LAX tho...

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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:28 am

AZ + LAX = good stuff!!!

Regarding the fleet, AZ should concentrate on the type of aircraft they already operate.

I can see AZ ordering the 7E7 to replace the 767 in the coming years - if they don't liquidate in the meantime - but they will have to “clean up to the house” before they do so!!!

It's becoming an interesting saga!
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:42 am

I'm not so optimistic concerning AZ's future. So I'm not sure that AZ really will start this route. JUN 05 is too far and there are a lot of problems to resolve before wishing to start new routes!
 
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:03 pm

Unfortunately, if they dont cut their labour costs, Alitalia's long term future may not extend beyond the end of the year...
 
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:30 pm

I read an article yesterday which quoted Cimoli as saying "1 in 5 employees is redundant"

I think he's on the right track, but I'm not sure how layoffs will fly with Italians...hopefully they'll realize there's jobs elsewhere and let AZ live.
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:57 am

I think that one of the condition posed by EU for the aproval of the state loan is not to expand fleet (using state money to rise fleet is against free market in EU). For tht reason I think that further AC order (like 777 300 er or 764) to expand long haul fleet are not possible in the future.

Most probably AZ MD11 will be back in operational fleet to fill some route without new AC.

It cold be very expansive: I''ve red that there aren't enough crew that have manteined the authorization to fly on these aircraft. Also the AC need some check to obtain the operational status.
 
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:48 am

Alitalia MD11...your dream fleet for AZ would be a NIGHTMARE to the airline's bottom line. So many different acft types with diff ratings means diff cabin crew-engineers for each diff particular aircraft which drastically increased the cost of operations and maintainenance which is not viable at all.

Im glad that AZ is back in the US West Coast...but wasnt SFO on priority than LAX???

MXP-LAX-MXP should do well as both are fashion capitals and the route should attract a lot of high yield pax flying J class on AZs B 777s which are pretty good in business class.

As far as DEL receiving MD 11s in the future...the MD 11 Combi move is very wise due to the extra pax and cargo load especially that it can carry compared to the B 763s that are flying this route currently.
 
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:59 am

MXP-LAX-MXP should do well as both are fashion capitals and the route should attract a lot of high yield pax flying J class on AZs B 777s which are pretty good in business class.


The fashion industry in Los Angeles isn't that big (Los Angeles isn't really considered a "fashion capital"), and, none the less, didn't support the route the first time around, why the second time? The problem with the route, from what I have heard, was allways passenger yields. The margin for low passenger yields on a long flight like MXP-LAX is much less than a shorter flight to the Eastern US.
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RE: Alitalia Back To LAX!

Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:53 am

In the 80's, I flew LAX-Milan (don't know if it was malpensa or linate) on AZ 747-200 and I remember going upstairs with the F/A to visit the cockpit and the pilots were drinking coffee and they let me screw around in the cockpit and press buttons and things.

I just came off alitalia last week, I flew GVA-FCO-IST-FCO-GVA on ER4/M80/M80/321 and I was very impressed!

Only I still don't know about LAX-MXP there isn't a huge demand for this route enough to have a nonstop, AZ already has great 1-stops with DL going.

Anyway for AZ's sake, I hope that it is still around next June and that it works out alright.
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