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Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:49 am

US Airway has a bunch of 767-200s that ruled the PHL-Europe and PIT-Europe service until the bigger A330s came in. Where sould they use them?

I know they just started PHL-GLA. How about PHL-HNL like CO does from EWR with much success? OR, PHL-NRT (but there would be payload restrictions).
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:56 am

To my knowledge, they're still used for that purpose. They operate PHL to AMS, GLA, DUB/SNN, and MUC with the 762. They also operate the PIT to F RA segment (soon, anyways) with their 767. CLT to LGW and F RA I believe are both A330s now, correct?
That would make 5 dailies with their 767-200. Where are the rest going? I know some are going trans-con as subs, and some to Florida, MCO in particular (I think it's scheduled. Don't quote me on that).
 
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:00 am

You're a tidge obsessed with HNL, ain't ya?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

US' widebody fleet is absolutely used, there's hardly a spare minute available on any of them, even the 767s.

Now, as 332s come in, that story may change. In that case, the 767s might get relegated to domestic runs and lowest-yield transatlantics, and yes, potentially PHL or CLT to HNL.

The reason I think they may not run that flight is because they have a domestic partner that's huge to the Islands, and, unless they believe they can fill the planes, it might be best to leave them to United.

The same story goes for NRT. Even during the UA/US merger plans, they never were going to add PHL-NRT. They were going to add BOS-NRT and DEN-LGW. Now they have even less incentive to do so.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:04 am

US does schedule two 767 roundtrips to MCO. Southbound, the 767s operate the 7:55 am departure from PHL and the 11:00 am departure from CLT. Northbound, the 767s operate two flights to CLT (the 11:20 am and 1:30 pm departures).

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:05 am

Where should they re-deploy these craft?

To Mojave or Victorville unless the interiors are overhauled, if you've taken a trip on one recently you'll know what I'm talking about. Although I suppose some are better than others!!

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:09 am

US only has 10 762s, not "a bunch". They do Florida service, from CLT I think, as well as some transatlantic service. The 752s and 321s have almost the pax payload of the 762s, so cargo needs would probably dictate where the 762s go once the 332s come in.

Didn't US loose a 762 on the ground to fire during maintenance a few years back?
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:11 am

To Mojave or Victorville unless the interiors are overhauled, if you've taken a trip on one recently you'll know what I'm talking about.

I fully agree with this. These planes are perfectly fine, they could live on for years, but they need new interiors.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:13 am

Unless and until the A332s ordered by US are added to the fleet, the US 762 fleet is rather busy flying to secondary European destinations. Unless US pulls off a dramatic turnaround in the coming year or so, I am not sure if US will be able to accept delivery of those A332s.

Lets be optimistic and think that US will accept the A332s and those aircraft replace the 762 on long-range routes, I think it will be US's plan to eliminate the 762 from its fleet. The 762s (some of which were originally delivered to Piedmont) are about 20 years old and have been used heavily - and according to some pax, the interiors are in dismal shape and require many upgrades to bring them up to the standard of the A330. I think the main idea behind getting the A332s is to replace the 767s and be done with them (not to redeploy them on other missions).

As for the PHL-HNL route, I could see US trying this (maybe on a weekend only basis, just as US serves some carib destinations) even if the only reason was to spice up its FF program. That was the logic used with respect to some of the exotic island destinations US now serves, so why not Hawaii? Although US pax can fly to Hawaii with UA - trying to redeem miles on another carrier for flights to popular vacation destinations like Hawaii can be nearly impossible.
 
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:14 am

As mentioned, they serve (not limited to) DUB and MCO.

In any event, I heard that the 757s are not happy with the lack of sun that they are getting and are requesting a one-way ticket to the desert.  Big grin As with the 767s, if you have flown on a 757 recently, you will get the idea.  Laugh out loud

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:16 am

Since they hold the nearly the same as the 752 and 321s, I am surprised they are using them to Europe still instead of the 752 and to MCO instead of the 321. They would be best used to open up new markets where the range is needed but does not warrent a huge a/c.

The interiors need an overhaul! 2-4-2 coach would make them economicly superior to the 757 rather than inferior and could make sense to the PHL leasure markets such as FLL and MCO. Whilst the seats would be slightly bigger on the 757 in that case, I would still prefer the 762 because of it is a wide body  Smile
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:17 am

Don't US still use them for their Puerto Rican and Carribean flights?
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:23 am

Lrgt: I have suggested, too, that US use 752s to secondary European cities, but have been told they aren't ETOPS certified. I suggested adding some European cities from BOS with 752s, but can't be done.

I've flown on several 767s (Delta) and can't say I'd like a 2-4-2 coach set up. Perhaps as some have suggested US will just retire them, they are old, and try to save costs by further fleet simplification.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:23 am

The interiors need an overhaul! 2-4-2 coach would make them economicly superior to the 757 rather than inferior and could make sense to the PHL leasure markets such as FLL and MCO. Whilst the seats would be slightly bigger on the 757 in that case, I would still prefer the 762 because of it is a wide body.

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Have you ever been on a 767 with 2-4-2 seating (as used by some British charter carriers)? I will simply say that it is not a pleasant experience and the configuration would be unacceptable to most passengers. Anyone with a weight of more than 125 lbs would be uncomfortable. As many of us Americans are super-sized, it would be nothing but trouble for US.

In addition, the 762s with high density seating have extra emergency exits and US's 762 are not so equipped.

I really think that the plan is to park the 762s if and when the A332 are delivered.
 
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:49 am

2-4-2????

Is this a correct statement? I thought all 767s were 2-3-2 in coach! 2-4-2??? How can that be? That's awful. Absolutely awful! I don't even believe that.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:56 am

Egads! That looks even worse than I imagined. Thanks WidgetBoi.
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RE: Where Should US Airways Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:02 am

"Ladies and gentlemen, the flight attendants will be coming around the cabin with headphones, which can be purchased for $4, and Crisco, to help you squeeze into your seat, for $3."

Seriously now, I think US Airways should keep the 767s. BTW, it would be so stupid , IMO, to use the 767s to HNL. That's what United is for. United: west of the Mississippi, US Airways: east of the Mississippi.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:10 am

but have been told they aren't ETOPS certified

WHAT??? They were on exclusivly ETOPS routes for years. The last time I checked, PHL-Europe was over water.


In addition, the 762s with high density seating have extra emergency exits and US's 762 are not so equipped.

That is only if they want to bring them up to 290Y. With the current exits they are limited to 270 or something so with a good sized business class (like AA has in its 767s on leisure routes) and 2-4-2 european style economy, they would be ok with their current exits.

Bigger is not always better. Does anyone now if when UA did their feasibility study on 767-200 for transcon whether they considered 2-4-2 before deciding to retire the a/c as uneconomical. If it means the difference between whether the 767-200ER dies or not, I would say go with 2-4-2 than nothing or a damn 757; the 2-4-2 seats are the same size as a 717. I would rather fly a 767-200 from PHL to FLL in 2-4-2 than a 717. No offense to overweight people, but if you can't fit in those seats, you have bigger problems than that seat (like your health). If you can't fit in coach, fly business class. Does anyone know if US makes overweighters buy two seats like WN does?

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:15 am

All right smart asses...redeploy assumes they stay in business and by definition, redeploy does not mean retirement, it is the opposite.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:18 am

They already have several 752's @ VCV
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:20 am

The 752s have been replaced by 320s and 321s
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:26 am

The 752s are not ETOPS, and, being some of the first off the line, are likely not capable of Europe trips. They're also god awful on the inside.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:29 am

Ok, but since the 767-200s are ETOPS, then that is the only other option on European routes other than the new A330s.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:30 am

I've not flown the 2-4-2 setup, but it was my understanding it's about the same as CRJ seating.

As much as I like RJ's, I think doing PHL-HNL in that seating arrangement would not be very popular for most Americans, especially when they have alternatives.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:30 am

Folks, US's economy config on the 762 is 2-3-2. Also there are 11 active 767s, last time I looked. And yes, one was written off in a maint accident during an engine run up and fire.
 
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:52 am

No one said that US's 767s were not 2-3-2. The point that I brought up is that since they need new interiors, they should explore 2-4-2. Thare are no interior shots of US's current 2-3-2 here, that is why used the picture of United's.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:56 am

2-4-2 is for charter operators. No sane full service airline would offer it.

Bottom line, US' 767s are old. Very old. And they probably will not spruce up the inside.

Lets assume they're going to die after the 332s arrive.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:35 am

To clear some things up:

US has 10 767's. They had 12 at one point, N645US-N656US. N654US was written off after the uncontained engine failure at PHL. N647US was returned to the lessor during bankruptcy and is now I believe with Air Gabon.

The 767's were delivered between 1987 and 1993. The interiors were all completely redone in 1997 with the rebranding from USAir to US Airways.

During the summer, the 767's are used for PHL-MUC/AMS/CDG/CDG/SNN/DUB/GLA and PIT-LGW internationally, and PHL/CLT-MCO domestically, along with hub repositioning flights.

During the winter, the 767's are used for PHL-MAD/MUC/AMS and PIT-FRA internationally, and PHL-CUN/SJU/STT and CLT-MCO/CUN domestically, along with hub repositioning flights.

US has 31 757's. Only 10 of them are the really old 757-225's, delivered to Eastern between 1982 and 1984. The 21 757-2B7's were delivered new to US between 1993 and 1995. They could probably be made ETOPS if US really wanted to, but they don't.

The rumor I've heard floating around about the next longhaul route is a return to BOS-FRA, but that's just a rumor.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:51 am

Thank you for those claifications A330323X. As for the interiors being redone in 1997, while they look older I can beleive that; even the colours on US's new interiors from the Airbus factory look out-dated. Their whole operation is outdated and will EVENTUALLY crumble.

If they are truly not interested in using those 757's on trans-atlantic to open up new routes that cannot support anything bigger, then I fell bad for them. CO does a great job with their 757s from EWR to a few europian destinations that US doesn't even serve, where anything bigger would be too risky or a waste.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:47 am

A 767-200 could almost make PHL-HNL. Almost being the operative word. Plenty of people do HNL from the middle of the country with 767-300's(not counting the CAL 767-200ER's which have much longer range than the original 767-200ER's) but no way you could put revenue on a -200 and even do HNL from ORD or DFW.TC
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:09 am

I have a special interest in US, because I'm vested in the RSA. I'd really like to see them survive, but I'm not too optimistic. When I flew a US A333 transatlantic earlier this year, I loved the plane, service, and IFE, but the interior was so drab! I think it was one of the least attractive airplane interiors I've ever seen. I'd rather see a 70's style combination of mod colors and floral prints than a white/gray combination that looks like the interior of a freezer! But then, I think the old USAir livery was much nicer than the current United-clone paint jobs.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:39 am

The US Airways 767-200s are 767-200ERs. They're not standard 767-200s like some of UA, AA, and DL's.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:54 am

LRGT -- i don't think you understand -- their 757s are NOT ABLE to cross the Altantic. they cannot be made ETOPS capable as they are the oldest 757s off the line.

Also, since you're an expert on US Airways (your original post in this thread was 100% wrong in stating that US doesn't use 767s transatlantic), please substantiate your statement that "their whole operation is outdated and will EVENTUALLY crumble." What makes you so sure?
 
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:59 am

their 757s are NOT ABLE to cross the Altantic. they cannot be made ETOPS capable as they are the oldest 757s off the line.

I maintain that the relatively new 757-2B7's, which make up over 2/3 of the 757 fleet, could be made ETOPS without a huge problem if that's what US wanted.

Whether or not I think that would be a good idea is another story.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:07 pm

You beat me to it Gigneil.

I was about to correct Aa717driver in his saying that it does not have the range and that the 767-300ER's bairly would have it. The 767-200ER does NOT have LESS range than the 767-300ER; it has MORE range and could do PHL-HNL standing on one leg. PHL-NRT or PHL-BOM/DEL would have some payload restrictions and but are within Boeing's range chart (w/reserves) for the -200ER.

On the Boeing website under 767-200ER it says "Typical City Pairs: New York to Bejing". NRT is actually closer than Bejing.

Source=Boeing.com
Range W/Reserves:
767-200ER 12,223KM
767-300ER 11,306KM

PHL to NRT seems like a PERFECT home for 2 of these a/c so they could perform daily round-trip service.

By the way, would PHL-NRT be an ETOPS route (it doesn't matter anyway since the US 767-200ERs are anyway; while it is not over water, maybe it is still since flying over Canada, Alaska and Russia is over some fairly remote areas??? I know some over-land routes in Africa are considered ETOPS!
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:16 pm

Haveric...like A330323x said...70% of their 757 fleet were delivered in the late 90's, hardly the beginning of the line.

I never said they don't do ANY Europe service any more w/the 767; in fact in my thread starter I said how they just used it to launch PHL-GLA! I mearly noted that the type is being relieved by the A330 so there are a few extras that could be put into VERY new and interesting markets for US like non-stop PHL/HNL and non-stop PHL/NRT. Sorry if I was not too unclear on some things like that not ALL of them need to be either re-deployed or retired, just some.  Smile
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:23 pm

like A330323x said...70% of their 757 fleet were delivered in the late 90's, hardly the beginning of the line.

Like A330323X said...68% of their 757 fleet were delivered between 1993 and 1995, hardly the late 90's.  Smile
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:28 pm

Wow your picky

...change 70% to 68%, sorry for rounding
...change late-90s to 1995

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:29 pm

PHL-NRT or PHL-BOM/DEL would have some payload restrictions and but are within Boeing's range chart (w/reserves) for the -200ER.


There is a zero percent chance that a 767-200ER could fly PHL-BOM or DEL with more than a few people onboard, even one of CO's, especially due to the Himalayan overflight restrictions.

While US' 767s are -200ERs, they aren't quite as capable as the planes that Boeing presently advertises. They'd have a fairly hard time doing some of the routes that CO can fly with little trouble.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:33 pm

You may have a point Gigneil, but I am afraid your credibility was lost 5 minutes ago in the Airtran 737NG ETOPS board when you said that JFK/SJU and JFK/FLL are ETOPS. LOL  Smile

Just kidding...you may be correct about PHL-DEL, but PHL-NRT is quite feasible unless Boeing is lying when they call that a "sample" route for the aircraft!
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:36 pm

I believe they used to use their 767s to SJU and CUN, but I think they've moved them to MCO (and maybe a LAX flight) domestically. I think they may also show up on PHL-CLT and PHL-PIT schedules sometimes.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:36 pm

Wow your picky

It's not that I'm picky, it's that "stretching" the facts will not help your credibility. 1993-1995 is clearly not the late 90's. Take this as some helpful advice, not criticism.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:40 pm

You may have a point Gigneil, but I am afraid your credibility was lost 5 minutes ago in the Airtran 737NG ETOPS board when you said that JFK/SJU and JFK/FLL are ETOPS.

I doubt that posting something without thinking about it has undone my credibility, especially since I already said you were right.

Just kidding...you may be correct about PHL-DEL, but PHL-NRT is quite feasible unless Boeing is lying when they call that a "sample" route for the aircraft!

Its a sample route for a new 767-200ER. The 767-200ER's capabilities have increased somewhat since Piedmont received theirs.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:44 pm

While they are appearing on routes within the continental US when they carry (roughly)* the same number of pax as a A321, it is clear that that they really don't have a use for them but are just putting them in where they can. The 767-200ER is too much airplane for PHL-PIT or PHL-FLL when an A321 can do that job better.

I am attempting to brainstorm here how they can use the 767-200ERs in they way they were built (a long-range, medium capacity ETOPS twin), not just for the sake of using them because they have to do SOMETHING with them because they own them; that is the way I see it being used on PHL/PIT and PHL/FLL.


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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:49 pm

While they are appearing on routes within the continental US when they carry (roughly)* the same number of pax as a A321, it is clear that that they really don't have a use for them but are just putting them in where they can.

They appear on routes in the US between turns to Europe. So a 767 in a couple of days may do PHL-LGW-PHL-FLL-CLT-FLL-PHL-LGW-PHL.

Its better to fly it down there than leave it on the ground doing nothing while it waits for its next European turn.

You'll find DL flies 777s to Florida muchly the same way, despite having far fewer seats than the 764s that normally fly the routes.

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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:52 pm

While they are appearing on routes within the continental US when they carry (roughly)* the same number of pax as a A321, it is clear that that they really don't have a use for them but are just putting them in where they can. The 767-200ER is too much airplane for PHL-PIT or PHL-FLL when an A321 can do that job better.

I am attempting to brainstorm here how they can use the 767-200ERs in they way they were built (a long-range, medium capacity ETOPS twin), not just for the sake of using them because they have to do SOMETHING with them because they own them; that is the way I see it being used on PHL/PIT and PHL/FLL.


* - I added 'roughly' for you A330323X


Dude, what are you talking about?

The A321 seats 169. The B767-200ER seats 203. It's about the same size not as the A321, but as the B757-200, which seats 193.

The PHL-PIT flights are repositioning flights between hubs to rotate aircraft for maintenance purposes.

The 767's don't fly to FLL. The only domestic nonhub that sees them is MCO, which is only to increase aircraft utilization.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:55 pm

My post was in response to the person who said the 767s being releived from the European routes were being put on domestically. FOR THE 10TH TIME...I am aware that some are still doing the European routes, but the ones that are ONLY doing domestic routes where they are nothing but doing an A321's job since it is better than being parked in the desert.

Now the question again....what routes can they re-deploy THOSE a/c where they would take advantage of their ability and what they were made for?
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:01 pm

I am aware that some are still doing the European routes, but the ones that are ONLY doing domestic routes where they are nothing but doing an A321's job since it is better than being parked in the desert.

Right now, there are 767's flying PHL-MUC/AMS/CDG/CDG/SNN/DUB/GLA and PIT-LGW. That's 8 out of 10.

1 more is probably in scheduled maintenance at any given time.

The last one is kept as a spare in the event of unscheduled maintenance, and flies to MCO to increase utilization when it's not needed as a spare.

As Gigneil has already said, there are no spares just sitting around flying PIT-PHL.

During the winter schedule, there are indeed spare widebodies, with the reduction in seasonal Europe flying. US uses that time for more maintenance, and it puts the extra birds on runs to SJU/STT/CUN/MCO, which have heavy demand in the winter. Since these planes are only available in the winter, that's where it makes sense to fly them.
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:16 pm

Maybe I should just give up on this thread since we can't agree that US even has any extra 767-200's now...which was not the point the tread was debating; it assumed that they DID have them availiable and if they don't right now, they will soon!

There is 1 that does transcon exclusivly that I would consider wasted. I admit, I did not know the A330 had NOT yet taken over a lot of these routes, meaning US apparently has been expanding its Trans-Atlantic routes as quickly as it has been receiving A330s since these 767s used to do these routes by themselves! I just assumed that with all of the A330s that the 767-200s were becoming allienated. BUT, I think it is safe to assume that they will be replaced by the A330s on some of the large routes such as PHL/AMS and PHL/CDG in the near future; the A330 will fully replace them eventually. So...back to the thread...how can they use the -200ER (other than transcon or to Florida or to anywhere else a 757 or A320 or A321 can go)?
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RE: Where Should USAir Re-Deploy The 767?

Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:23 pm

There is 1 that does transcon exclusivly that I would consider wasted.

It's needed as a spare. That's just how it is. The other airlines all do the same thing. (And MCO isn't transcon.)

BUT, I think it is safe to assume that they will be replaced by the A330s on some of the large routes such as PHL/AMS and PHL/CDG in the near future

PHL-AMS is by far the weakest transatlantic route. It will be the last route to receive an upgrade to the A330. PHL-CDG operates with an A330 in the winter, and 2x B767 in the summer.

To clear up something else:

US hasn't received an A330 since March 2001. US doesn't receive another A330 until 2007.
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