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You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:56 pm

Hardly do I ever pay attention to the safety demonstration, but no matter which airline, it always starts with how to open and close your seat-belt. Which is ok in itself but I ask myself my they do the demonstration after the crew walked through the cabin a few times making sure that all passengers have tightened their seat-belt already. After all you can not expect the passenger to know how to operate it before it has been demonstrated...

Are there any rules that call for this not-to-thought-through custom?

I'm just glad I know how to work my seat-belt...  Big grin

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:19 pm

Hardly do I ever pay attention to the safety demonstration

You probably talk to your neighbour during the Safety demo as well!

I only hope that you never sit near me on an aircraft where passengers have to make an emergency exit, you wouldn't survive, and would probably take down a lot of other innocent people in your arrogance!

Fitting a seatbelt and unlatching it is quite simple, and I'm sure that if there is any doubt a neighbour would be only too pleased to advise and help!


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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:31 pm

Honestly, does anyone actually pay attention to that safety demo at all? I see alot of people here in the U.S. who doesnt give a rats butt about the demo..mainly from frequent flyers who already know about the safety features of said aircraft.
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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:17 pm

I always think it's a bit pointless demonstrating how to use the life-vests if you're on a LHR-MAN flight! Although it could always ditch into Staines reservoir I suppose...  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:22 pm

I memorized it! I just read my mother's FA Manual, which has everything they have to say.
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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:09 pm

Well, even worse than that the safety demo comes after you are being asked to close your seat belt is the content of LHs safety demo on shorthaul flights:

"This is how you open your seat belt and this is how you close it" (FAs show once how to do it).

I find this very strange as no blind passenger who has never operated a seat belt onboard an aircraft before would know how to do it by listening to this announcement.

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:21 pm

Carduelis,
good that you know we so well. But you forgot to mention that I also dance in the aisles while the demo is being done...

Fitting a seatbelt and unlatching it is quite simple, and I'm sure that if there is any doubt a neighbour would be only too pleased to advise and help!
You didn't get my question... In my arrogance I just pointed out that it is strange that passengers have to tighten their seat-belts before there has been any instructions of how to do so. Even if it's an easy task you usually first tell somebody how to do something before you actually let him do it.
Is there a pilot out there that got told to fly his 400MTOW plane to a certain airport so that he can meet with a person that can teach him how to fly a plane?!?

Airchabum,
I remember a report back from 1995 when United had started using the 777 between ORD and DEN, if I'm not mistaken. There the announcement was made that "even if do not plan to land on water between ORD and DEN we will now show you how to use your life-vest..."
 
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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:42 pm

Which is ok in itself but I ask myself my they do the demonstration after the crew walked through the cabin a few times making sure that all passengers have tightened their seat-belt already. After all you can not expect the passenger to know how to operate it before it has been demonstrated...
It is a good idea to show it anyway, just because you never know what smart alec might come along and create a fuss about how to operate a seatbelt - which I imagine most people should be able to figure out.  Big grin

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:14 pm

The reference to landing in Staines Reservoir is somewhat tasteless.

Normally the LHRMAN flights do not go over water. However, there are times, due to ATC, that the aircraft is taken over the sea off North Wales on its approach to Manchester.


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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:22 pm

It is a good idea to show it anyway, just because you never know what smart alec might come along and create a fuss about how to operate a seatbelt - which I imagine most people should be able to figure out.
Totally agree, my point is just that it does come at a too late point. After all they usually demonstrate it while the plane is already on it's way to the runway and accidents could already happen there...

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Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:30 pm

To be honest, I don't really see the need to watch every moment of the safety lecture. But it would be common decency to pay attention and make yourself aware of what to do if the plane has to ditch somewhere.

Personally I pay attention and at least take on board what is being said. Cause at the end of the day it is going to save your life!

As for the LHR-MAN thing mentioned above, I have done this route a fair few times. I never once had an approach over sea, but that would be interesting to do!  Smile

Just my opinions on the matter,

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:42 pm

Jkw777,
don't you like the idea of me dancing in the aisle? Big grin

As for LHR-MAN I would say that flying over water will not exactly happen often but it's not impossible... Probably just as likely as it is to fly over water on CGN-TXL, a fairly often flown on route of mine.

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know Ho

Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:58 pm

GodBless -
They main point of the demo is to show or remind people HOW TO UNFASTEN THE SEATBELT! Many people have died or been overcome by smoke/fumes in survivable emergencies as they are STUCK IN THEIR SEAT, unable to unfasten the seatbelt! Many survivor reports mention they thenselves had trouble. In the heat of the moment they think it's like a car seatbelt (probably due to stress/shock). Many survivors report observing people unable to unfasten their seatbelts in rapid evacuations.

Like most things FAs do or request pax to do... It is for a reason! Usually because a poor sole has been injured or killed and our procedures now hope to prevent such from reoccuring.
 
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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:03 pm

Prior the depature I always do this quick safety check once on board:

1) Check where is my nearest exit
2) Check where is my alternate exit (2nd nearest)
3) Count the rows to exit... this is important!
4) Check from safety card how to operate those doors

Even I have flown approx. 200 times and opened many thousand times aircraft doors at my previous job I still look carefully through instructions, watch safety demo and do that "checklist". I really recommend same to everyone...

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:51 pm

Miami1,
I knew it was for a reason. In this case I just couldn't get behind it...
Using this as precaution for an emergency when you have to leave your seat quickly does make very much sense.

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:20 pm

Prior the depature I always do this quick safety check once on board
That is a very good idea. Since I know the plane I am flying on (and I collect safety cards) I tend not to do that, but that is very good anyway.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:30 pm

The FARs state that among other things the safety demo must include an explanation on the use and operation of seatbelts. I agreee that it is a little late to show the seatbelt operation after the operator has figured it out, but those are the FARs for you!

As for the LH demo: US Airline flight attendants are supposed to perform a special briefing with any person with a disability. Not sure about LH, but one would think that with a demo like that there would have to be a special briefing, especially for someone who is blind. Just my thoughts on the issue.
 
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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:30 am

SafetyDude:
That is a very good idea. Since I know the plane I am flying on (and I collect safety cards) I tend not to do that, but that is very good anyway.


Thanks SafetyDude... Someone might call me as a safety card collector too... I have a few hundreds of those.  Big thumbs up

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:46 am

I ALWAYS read the safety card, locate the nearest exit and a couple of alternates, check the number of rows from here to there, and at least try to memorize how ALL the exits work.

I also check if there is a life vest present. On a couple of occasions, it has been missing (pilfering pax).

I pay attention to the briefing too.

I know it's a slim chance that I will ever have to use the knowledge, but if I do have to, I will probably not have a chance to read through the safety card, and I would rather spend the time than be taken care of by Darwin.

My wife though I was silly, but since the time I said: "Would you rather take the 3 minutes now, or die since you missed an obvious point?" a couple of years back, she pays attention.


Also, I think VS have the right approach. A humorous safety video ensures more people watch it and remember the details. The droning voices and/or ultraserious tones of most other carriers simply turn pax off and they don't pay attention.
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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:22 am

Miami1's hit the nail on the head, he's completely right. Just because you know how to do something like undo a seat belt, doesn't mean everyone on the flight does.

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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:03 am

Honestly, does anyone actually pay attention to that safety demo at all?

I always pay attention to it, even on the FL 717 which I have flown countless times. because there always might be that small amendment that could count between life and death.
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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:23 am

Well if we have:

People who don't notice what airline they are flying on...
People who can't tell the difference between a 747 and a Dash-8
People who think that they can arrive at the airport 20 minutes before
departure and think that they can still get on their flight
People who think that the F/A's are their personal servants


then we certainly can have people who can't figure out how a seatbelt operates!  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: You Have 2 Fasten Seat-belt Before You Know How...

Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:51 am

Just for the record I do pay attention to the safety briefing if only out of courtesy.But as for the seat belt, I have a five year old that can both undo and close/adjust her belt in seconds.
As for instances where people have observed passengers unable to undo their belts would you not say that may be due to (understandably) blind panic as opposed to a lack of knowledge ?
I take my and my family's safety very seriously whether on the ground or in the air but I think we may nit picking just a little over when or what order we are given our safety briefing.

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