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YYZ Spotting

Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:01 pm

This probably has been asked many times however, with the sad demise of the old T1 parking garage, is there a location on or near YYZ where one can comfortably observe movements without been harassed by security etc?

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:37 pm

There are a few spots where you could go to watch aircraft movements without being harassed by the cops. Really, the key is to stay off airport property, and go to a spot such as at Wendy's on Airport Rd, if they are using runway 23 for arrivals. To be honest, the authorities have been much more relaxed lately. Whether this is a result of a generally more relaxed mood, or because they know in the summer time they will have far too many people around to kick out, I don't know. People are currently spotting at places such as FedEx, or then near Field Aviation when 15L is in use, and they aren't getting hassled too much.

Enjoy the summer spotting season while you can!
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:42 pm

People are currently spotting at places such as FedEx, or then near Field Aviation when 15L is in use, and they aren't getting hassled too much.

I was at FedEx yesterday (Friday) afternoon when the Peel police came along. There were 2 of them - a man and a woman, and they were very polite, saying they were just checking IDs. One took my drivers licence to their car and brought it back after a few minutes, saying "No problem".

 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:01 am

I find if you're generally nice to the Peel Regional, they're good to you.

The only time I've been asked to leave was in the spring-time, (by a VERY arrogant "chip-on-my-shoulder" cop, who looked bored to death and had nothing better to do) and once while I was in the in-field area. (They can ask me to leave there, after all, it is airport property)

Additionally, if you are in the area when El-Al comes in, be forewarned. They have their own security detail that has NO qualms in being rude / adamant that you leave immediately. -- Thankfully they were nice to me, but I've heard from others where they weren't so nice to them.

Other than that, just be nice to the cops if they come by, and you'll be fine.

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:49 am

I watch planes from Carlingview (Aviation World) and over towards the golf course also.

Lnglive1011yyz you raise a couple of points I never have encountered and not sure how I would act.

The "bad mood cop". Being parked at the side of a road and standing at the side of a road for less than 3 hours is not a violation of municipal laws. Under what jurisdiction or right would police be able to tell you to leave if you are on the road allowance and not private property? Any encounters I have had I have been in a spot with my twin 6 year olds and things are friendly. I respect their concerns.

The one that really confuses me is what authority does an El Al rent a cop have to tell me where to go?
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:57 am

I used to walk up and down Highway 27, near the airport hotels. Great landing and takeoff views!!!
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:16 am

The one that really confuses me is what authority does an El Al rent a cop have to tell me where to go?

El Al security presumably have some kind of agreement with GTAA. I doubt if they have any authority off the airport property.
 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:42 am

Nothing like playing golf at Royal Woodbine as they come into land over your head. Pure golfers curse. I am in no hurry and losing a few into the woods or water is worth the view. The sound of the "swoosh" whipping sound after they pass..... Unfortunately carrying a camera is pushing it too far.

On the GTAA- I wonder how far the property lines extend.
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:01 am

BA97 --

As for hte 'bad cop', the properties where I normally stop (as well as most of us spotters) is actuallly on airport grounds.

The road near FedEx that runs parallell to 15L/R, even though it is not fenced in, or anything, actually belongs to the GTAA, so they thru Peel Regional, can ask us to leave for any reason, or even no reason at all.

The issue OFF airport land, is of course, tresspassing (parking in business parking lots that you aren't actually doing business with can be constituted as tresspassing if they want to get fickle) as well as "no stopping' laws on the roads, almost has our hands tied. -- If you're lucky to find a location that will allow you to park on their property (such as aviation world, etc) then that's great!

As for the El-Al security, again, same thing.. the times I've been stopped, I have been on airport property (albeit, a Public access road).

Again, I've said this once before. The GTAA could easily rectify a lot of this by creating 'spotting zones' for the spotters. The hobby is growing exponentially and the 'occasional' spotters just will *Not* go away. Instead of working with the public, they've opened a pandoras box.

Hope that clears it up my friend  Smile

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:10 am

(by a VERY arrogant "chip-on-my-shoulder" cop, who looked bored to death and had nothing better to do)

I had one like that once too.... pulled up behind us.. I got out to take some photos and he beeped at me and with his finger told me to come over.... why I wanted to kill him. He wan't even Peel Regional.... but instead was "YYZ Police"... The bastards.

Oh by the way, the reason was an El-Al takeoff approaching... what a surprise  Yeah sure Came back when it was gone... he passed by a couple times and didn't even stop. Freak.......


what authority does an El Al rent a cop have to tell me where to go?

It seems they have an agreement *cough*$$$$$*cough* to the police at their Major airports to highten security for them.... The authority? 0


Oh BA97, did you fly BA97 YYZ-JFK? If so, please contact me as I would like to chat about the flight... it was great! I also think I've seen you a few times on Silver Dart Dr.
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:35 am

Simply treat ALL police will polite indifference (with a mild dose of disdain) and they will go away. Usually. Never engage them in conversation.

I got out to take some photos and he beeped at me and with his finger told me to come over....

That was your first mistake. I never respond to any cop's finger.



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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:02 am

The road near FedEx that runs parallell to 15L/R, even though it is not fenced in, or anything, actually belongs to the GTAA, so they thru Peel Regional, can ask us to leave for any reason, or even no reason at all.

That is just not true. I have a map, published by the GTAA, that has their property lines marked on it. It shows quite clearly that Bramalea Road, running alongside the FedEx facility, is not on their property.

Also, when they put up new, higher, fences a few years ago, why would they not put the fence on the west side of the road, with a gate closer to Derry Road if it was on their property?
 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:00 am

Olympus,

I've seen the exact same map you're referring to. I only had that confirmed by a GTAA security guard (one of the ones that drives around in those "Airside/Groundside" vehicles.. He stated that the property line stopped on the west side curb of Bramalea. So, therefore, the parking area that we park at, actually belongs to the GTAA --> According to this security guy. Agreed, it would have been smart to put a fence there, but I suppose they figured it wouldn't be a security risk to leave it open, therefore opening this pandoras box of "where can we/can't we go".

I guess we'll never really know, unless they close the road down permanently, or someone has to contest it somewhere legally haha.

All-in-all, if we respect the property, do not do things that are suspicious, and act responsibly and courteously to ANY official (GTAA/Peel Regional, etc) then there shouldn't be a problem. It's the cocky a-holes that talk back to the cop or give attitude that get the rest of us kicked out of places where we spot from..

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:00 am

Sounds like time for an update on yyzspotter.  Smile

After a very promising spring from local authorities to the initiative, things have gotten bogged down in some "red tape". Obviously our ambitious plan to have everything in place for this summer have not been realised.

However, there is some very positive news. Certain major areas of agreement have been reached. This will eliminate the inconsistent responses from the authorities, and generate a trusting, and complementary working relationship with spotters.
More details will follow on the website http://www.yyzspotter.com soon.
Everything will be place for the entire 2005 spotting season.

A special thanks to all those people who have emailed me with their interest and requests to join. You have not been forgotten, there is a lot of work going on behind the scenes. Thank you for your patience.

Cheers,
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:10 am

AirbusfanYYZ,

SOrry for my ignorance, but can you enlighten me as to what your 'initiative' is?

I've been to your website a few times, but I haven't heard anything about an initiative from a group of people yet.... Can you enlighten me, and anyone else who may be in the dark too?

Thanks,

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:28 am

1011yyz, the idea of yyzspotter at the time of its inception was to work in conjunction with the authorities and come up with a game plan for spotting at the airport. The initiative started with one level, which I will let Airbusfan give out if he wishes, who said that in order to achieve anything, an official group would have to be created. Really, this does not mean that "yyzspotters" would have special rights over other spotters, or to create an elitist group, but rather have a group that would work in connection with the GTAA and the different levels of police at the airport. Remember, that includes both Peel Regional Police, and also the RCMP. If they know what we are doing there, plus there is a proper protocol, and respect between spotters and the authorities, we can get a lot further, IMHO.

In some respects, we (mostly Airbusfan really) have been able to get some accomplished, but we still have a ways to go in order to get something official in the works. If you see me sometime at the airport, stop and say hi.

Regards, Nuno.
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:52 am

Nuno,

Thanks for the update -- agreed, I had wondered why we didn't have something like this put together up to this point, so this is a great initiative.

What kind of automobile are you driving? (If you don't mind telling everyone? haha)

Look for me in my Mazda6. Silver. Can't miss me.

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:55 am

Oh ok, I've seen you around. I'm driving a black 97 Jetta TDI. I now remember we discussed this before!
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:40 am

Nuno,

That's me.. So far, I think I'm the only M6 that's floating around.

I'll look for you  Smile

Have a great day!

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:33 am

In as much as securing the airport perimeter is top priority, the greatest hindrance to us spotters is the amount of litter that is left behind by a lot of people who frequent the spotting areas. Those charged with the task of securing the areas have discussed this issue with me, and as far as we can surmise, there doesn't seem to be a simple solution to the problem. This too is part of the YYZspotter.com initiative.
I don't understand how people can toss out their juice bottles, fast food wrappers... condoms, etc... making the area look like a pigsty, then they wonder why Peel Region and GTAA dislike them being in those areas. We really need to put an end to the litter problem, and I believe part of the solution is for we, the dedicated spotters, to discourage others from littering. Because, after all, their bad habit is ruining (one of) our favorite pastimes.
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:01 pm

He stated that the property line stopped on the west side curb of Bramalea. So, therefore, the parking area that we park at, actually belongs to the GTAA

If that is actually the case it makes absolutely no sense for GTAA to build the new fence on the east side of Bramalea instead of the west side. It also means that one could park elsewhere - in one of the FedEx lots for instance, and then walk down Bramalea on the grass on the west side. Technically one would then be trespassing on York Skeet Club property, unless one took out a membership in the YSC - then one could sit on the "spotters hill" and thumb ones nose at Peel Police or GTAA security  Smile
 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:16 pm

I don't understand how people can toss out their juice bottles, fast food wrappers... condoms, etc... making the area look like a pigsty,

They do it because they're slobs, Tony. I suspect that almost all the garbage is left by people who bring their families out for the afternoon, or people who come out after dark for reasons that have nothing to do with watching airplanes. Talking to these kinds of people won't get you anywhere. They'll just tell you to f**k off, and mind your own business.

However, if you want to go down by FedEx on a Saturday night and shine a flashlight around the cars that are parked there, looking for dumped garbage, be my guest. I hope your medical insurance is paid up  Smile
 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:54 pm

The garbage issue has been a major concern of mine..

It's disgusting. People don't realize how dangerous that can be, especially at that moment of the take-off roll or landing..

I've often yelled out "HEY! That's not a garbage" and usually the person will say "oh, I'm sorry" and they'll pick it up. If you 'look' like a regular, they tend to listen, of course, depending on the person you're discussing it with.

Perhaps having some visible garbage bins that would be regularly cleaned would help the problem, but again, they don't want to encourage people to go there.

I distinctly remember the Boeing/MD parking lot when those bins would get full. I suppose no one really was responsible for cleaning those bins, and they would over-flow, and that would just encourage people to just toss their garbage over-side their window.

It is disgusting, we shouldn't be afraid to talk down to people who are doing this, as they are ultimately ruining our opportunities to spot easily.

My 0.02 cents.

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:13 am

Thanks Captaingomes for responding, my internet here has been acting up.

Longlive1011yyz, the program will provide you with identification which will be honoured by the local authorities.
However, it doesn't obviously grant the holder immunity from stupidity. Big grin We still need to respect the law.
Another example is say, if a particular location on airport property like the infield is overwhelmed with spotters we may be asked to leave. Obviously if there is a unique or rare visitor to YYZ there may be exceptions. But all in all the process we have been working on is to allow a more consistent spotting environment.
Things like this are usually slow to implement (especially since I have a regular job too  Smile) as it takes time to build up the trust and respect between everyone involved but discussions with the GTAA, PRP and the RCMP look good and we should have an amicable arrangement in place soon.

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:51 am

I'd like to state my opinion on this.

He at YYZ we need a non-profit free-of-charge organization that is started or overtaken by the local authorities (The BAA in LHR's case) and who see spotters as people who can be trusted and useful.
Even though I would love that to happen, right now, with the authorities we have I just don't see this happening. Loads of people, including myself, are just not willing to pay a fee of $50/yr lets say, for hassle-free spotting. Especially if you can only make it down once or twice every two months.

YYZspitter has been a good start but higher ranks in the GTAA should be their main focus. They run the airport, and even though they are money-hogs, you may be able to get a few tips on how to pull them around it from the BAA.... maybe get their rules and offer the GTAA the same?


It's disgusting. People don't realize how dangerous that can be, especially at that moment of the take-off roll or landing..

I agree, the garbase is uttrocious and it is a reason that police don't like spotters"" (if you can call some that) around FedEx. It looks like the local GTAA garbage dump, and is not starting to improve..... The only was to fix it is determination and work. Physically. Once YYZspotter becomes a success, a meeting should be formed up to pick up ALL the garbage from FedEx, and make it into a nice area with garbage bins, and maybe even a picnic table at a later date.

The GTAA and PRP shouldn't be expected to suggest anything and if you provide them with the cleanup FedEx idea, they may be slightly more swayed.
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:05 am

A few notes on Martin's post. The BAA idea costs money to join if I recall correctly.

It is yet not clear whether the YYZSpotter membership will cost money or not, as costs have not yet been established. The bottom line is, if it does cost a minimal fee, whether that be $10, $20, $50, or whatever, it is to recover costs, rather than to line the pockets of the directors with money. So depending on what form yyzspotter takes, and what the objectives are, it may, or may not require a small financial contribution from members, but again, it is far too early to tell.

Also, garbage pickup has been discussed with the authorities, and I'm not sure what you mean by "higher ranks in the GTAA should be their main focus." Without knowing who YYZSpotter has been in contact with (and you don't know), then you can't comment on whether we've gone high up enough or not.
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:16 am

Are you all planning to, ugh, actually pick up this garbage, or will you out-source for this clean up? I should think you would hire others to clean up.
The thought of picking up other people's trash/refuse is too vulgar a thought to ponder.

Good luck with your club. But remember, the best place to spot is at takeoff/rotation from a window seat. One sees everything that way.


 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:28 am

"I agree, the garbase is uttrocious and it is a reason that police don't like spotters"

And it would seem that someone's spelling is equally uttrocious! My my.

"YYZspitter has been a good start but higher ranks in the GTAA should be their main focus"

"Once YYZspotter becomes a success, a meeting should be formed..."

No, dear man, a meeting should be CALLED. And I should think that quality food and beverages should be up there on your "to do" list. And for God sake HIRE people to clean up the garbage. Newly arrived non-English speaking
immigrants can be found for 50 cents an hour. But ya didn't hear that from
moi.

Im a tad confused. Is it "Spitter" or "Spotter"? Don't mind me, I'm find myself momentarily bored and looking for amusement, in all the wrong places.

"Happy Spitting, or spotting, or whatEVER it is you boys do out there. Just do yourselves a favour and never say "Happy Spotting" to a woman.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy





 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:30 am

LOL Canadi>nBoy, good food and drinks will be a top priority of YYZSpotter! Oh, speaking of which, damn it, go check out http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1666614/
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:38 am

you can't comment on whether we've gone high up enough or not

Did I??? NO I just said that higher ranks should be the focus.... if they currently are, Good For You! It is just advice....

Whenever I give a little bit of advise, some freak has to come and do some Martin Bashing YAY, HOW FUN!!!! trying to tell me how wrong I am .... Also I am sick of you asking me about the Air Canada trip report. If you're that anxious, go fly and regret them yourself.

Back to the topic then, more time-waters and people who are bored can be seen at the FedEx spot, than spotters. Most of them being indulgent families with little or no respect. An example was 5 weeks ago when I: was on the hill watching BA and BMI take off 23... alone. The only other people were an Indian family a few metres away. As they left after BMI, the small 10-year old-ish girl had a wendy's chips box. She asked what do do with it, her mother told her "dispose of it and hurry up!" She threw it on the ground and they all left hapilly.

I felt like stuffing it up the mother's butt......
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:43 am

Canadi>n Boy.....


Newly arrived non-English speaking
immigrants can be found for 50 cents an hour. But ya didn't hear that from
moi.


YAY!!!!! We can also import more and pay them 25 cents an hour in and illegal passports!

 Big thumbs up

Im a tad confused. Is it "Spitter" or "Spotter"? Don't mind me, I'm find myself momentarily bored and looking for amusement, in all the wrong places.

"Happy Spitting, or spotting, or whatEVER it is you boys do out there. Just do yourselves a favour and never say "Happy Spotting" to a woman.


We spit on people who spot... you feel any better now?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Now.... why don't I say "Happy Spotting" to a woman? I don't see anything wrong with it....
*scratches head*

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:45 am

CaptainGomes, while I very much appreciate the kind invitation to join the Canadian contingent at your Pearson gathering, I'm afraid I am going to have to decline, as this Friday is to be a special occasion for my fiance and I.
We are planning to have my in-laws for dinner at our home. They're flying in from YVR to spend a few days here. And.....we have very happy news to tell them! (at least we hope to God they think it's good news! LOL).

Anyway, I hope and trust your gathering will be a successful one.

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:49 am

Canadi>nBoy, congratulations! I truly hope things go as well as possible!

Again, I'm sad you have a life *sigh* and can't make it on Friday, perhaps in 5 or 6 years you'll meet up with the gang. If you're interested, you can have a spot in the human resources department at YYZSpotter.  Big grin
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:58 am

Well, seeing as how I am so happy and excited, I will scream out this news to all of you whom I've never met.

I, Canadi>nboy, and my beautiful, wonderful fiance, are to become parents
in December for the first time!!! WE just found out last week. I am absolutely, positively OVER THE MOON! We are both thrilled at the news. The baby (we don't want to know its sex until the birth) is due in late December, and this proud papa to be hopes my first child will be born on my birthday, Dec 27th. THAT would be cool, but, as long as the baby is happy and healthy, we don't care.

Now, we're just wondering how her parents are going to take the news that the baby was conceived out of wedlock! LOL! (we are getting married in September). They are Roman Catholic to the hilt, but then again, they're cool people.

"perhaps in 5 or 6 years you'll meet up with the gang. If you're interested, you can have a spot in the human resources department at YYZSpotter"

Hmmm, by that time, my child will be in kindergarten! Scary stuff. But I shall be most pleased to head the human resources department.

Gotta go for now.
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:04 am

BAA is the equivalent to the GTAA here in Toronto.
To further Nuno's response, IF YYZSpotter decides to implement a membership fee it will be to cover the cost of the ID and database administration.

Martin, please share with us where you got your MBA in Airport and Airline Management? It's a lot easier to sit back and give out unsolicited advice, and/or complain about everything than to actually get off your arse and do something! YYZSpotter membership will not be a requirement to spot at YYZ. How do you even know that we would accept your application.  Yeah sure

Nuno, What if we enlist "George" to pick up the garbage?
Cdnboy, The launch party once everything is in place is also being planned. Invitations will also be sent to the organizations with whom we are working.

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:05 am

I figured that was the news! Very nice, congratulations!!! Since I'm not very poetic, I will leave it at that.  Big grin I will let somebody more clever in those respects to come up with something touching to say (perhaps Neil?). But good luck with everything Johnny!
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:30 am

I agree, the garbase is uttrocious

What?

She asked what do do with it, her mother told her "dispose of it and hurry up!" She threw it on the ground and they all left hapilly.

Oh man, that infuriates me! You should have picked it up and stuck it gently in their windshield wiper. Then taken down their license number.

I, Canadi>nboy, and my beautiful, wonderful fiance, are to become parents
in December for the first time!!!


Wow! Congrats! Ann B Davis would be thrilled (if she knew you personally)! You should have six kids! boy-girl-boy-girl-boy-girl. If this is a boy, call him GREG. If a girl, call her MARCIA.






I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:14 pm

Cdn.Lad.;
Bring the in-laws and the wife/mommy-to-be out to YYZ to meet the gang. Don't worry - We won't bite nor swear... nor say the Lord's name in vain (Staunch Catholic upbrining, too).
Regarding becomming a parent: What can I say... It's going to be the greatest challenge of your life... One that never gets easier with time. However, enjoy every moment. Make the best of each day withyour lil ones, because, as the saying goes - The grow up so darn fast. If this is your wife's first, chances are, she'll be early. Maybe your lil one will be born on MY birthday (13th.) ~heh heh~ If it's a boy, you could always name him Anthony. Anthony Bradley O'Neil - kinda has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? The least you could do is invite us to the reception... al la, Mirrodi style ;-]
Nevermind political correctness - Envision using your turn signals!
 
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:43 pm

Guys, allow me to temporaily hijack this thread into "YYZ Excited Daddy"!


Thank you, very much, Nuno, Neil & Tony for your good wishes. What can this guy say? I am still somewhat in shock at the news, as this was totally unplanned. This baby is a little ahead of schedule for us, as we planned on our first child next year, but, it's truly a blessing, and both of us look forward very very much to becoming good & loving parents (I will teach the child EVERY 60's and 70's TV theme song known to man). My fiance is laughing at the fact that she'll be about 6 months pregnant in her wedding dress! LOL. Ah well, it will be nice. We were planning on getting married in Tofino at a resort on Vancouver Island, but honey-pie will be very preggos by then, and she doesn't want to fly (I don't want her to, either) so, a Toronto small wedding and reception are now in the works. Everything is out of whack now, timeline wise.

We're going on our honeymoon next month (August) before the ceremony, for obvious reasons. I haven't told her the honeymoon destination yet, as it's a surprise, but.....shhhhh, I'm taking her to Paris for 4 days, then we'll fly on to Fiji for 2 weeks. Great, no? She'll love it, as we have had many a great time in Paris.

"Ann B Davis would be thrilled (if she knew you personally)! You should have six kids! boy-girl-boy-girl-boy-girl. If this is a boy, call him GREG. If a girl, call her MARCIA"

"Here's the story, of a lovely lady.....". Actually, if all goes well, we plan on two or three children. I come from a family of 5 siblings, and my betrothed has 3 siblings, but we aint doing the "Brady Bunch" family thing. My God, 6 kids!? Greg? Marcia? No way, Jose. If It's a boy, we will call the little guy Liam Joseph; if a girl, we are close to confirming Liliana Marie. As the male determines the sex, and seeing as how males are predominant in my family, there's more than a very good chance the baby will be a boy, but....we shall see.

"What can I say... It's going to be the greatest challenge of your life... One that never gets easier with time. However, enjoy every moment. Make the best of each day withyour lil ones, because, as the saying goes"

A wonderful challenge that I more than look forward to. We want to show our child/children the world, and travel the globe as a family, as I did with my parents.

Becoming a parent.....I can't begin to tell you how it instantly changes your life and priorities. She and I are globetrotters, Gypsies, both for work and pleasure, now this all is to change, somewhat, more for her. Thanks for the words of wisdom, Tony. I fully agree with your outlook. There are many reasons we both waited to become parents at this stage in our lives, and we are both absolutely ready for this now. Are you a a parent?? As for me, I fully intend on being an extremely attentive, hands-on daddy (and a wacky one at that). Funny, I really had no interest in others children, per se, but when it's your own....well....

"If this is your wife's first, chances are, she'll be early."

She'll officially be my wife in late September!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
You are right on the money. Her doctor said for us to expect the child in mid to late December, as opposed to early January. Mother and child are both healthy and doing very well (she is in her fourth month). Funny thing is, like her own mother, she never "showed" or had any morning sickness. We never suspected a thing....well, correction. I WAS noticing she was putting on a bit of weight on her gorgeous frame, she said it was all the barbeques! LOL.
When her usually large appetite (she never gains an ounce) increased in the last couple of months (this woman was, and is eating NON-STOP!) I had a sneaky feeling something was up. She was in denial, LOL.

Okay, the Hijack of this thread comes to a close. My apologies for the interruption.

Hey, perhaps I could start the first YYZ Dad Spotters Club? Hmmmmm.



 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:52 pm

YYZSpotter Ltd. could become quite a conglomerate Cdnboy!
Congrats on the exciting news. It is a very special day when your son or daughter is born, just make sure you don't faint.  Big grin

Cheers,
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:03 am

"just make sure you don't faint."

Oh, God. One of my biggest fears. I remember my brother and a couple of male friends telling me their delivery room stories......*shudder*. I don't know who is going to be screaming louder and begging to be drugged, her or me!

But hey! I will be prepared! I am going to go out and rent DVD's of both
"Rosemary's Baby" and "It's Alive!". My fiance has a zany sense of humour as wacked as mine, and we both want to watch these films, together, you
know, as a family. LOL.

 
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:11 am

Hey, perhaps I could start the first YYZ Dad Spotters Club? Hmmmmm.


Yes, you can lead by example and show the families with "uttrocious" behaviour how to behave in a spotting environment!


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Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:11 am

EVERY 60's and 70's TV theme song known to man)

Does this include classic games shows such as "Let's Make A Deal" and "Classic Concentration"?

I, Canadi>nboy, and my beautiful, wonderful fiance, are to become parents
in December for the first time!!!


Congrats. Neil. Hope you bring him up well, and don't be scared to chage his diaper..... Do you want a boy or a girl?
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:42 am

"Yes, you can lead by example and show the families with "uttrocious" behaviour how to behave in a spotting environment!"

Yes, indead. I will be matchure and responsable, and will lead by my
exemplarie behavier.

"Does this include classic games shows such as "Let's Make A Deal" and "Classic Concentration"?"

Silly Rabbit. These were music-only themes. But....I could teach the tyke
the tunes to hum along to.

"Congrats. Neil. Hope you bring him up well, and don't be scared to chage his diaper..... Do you want a boy or a girl?"

Eh? Me thinks you have me confused with Yyz717 (even though he and I ARE long lost half-brothers) unless that is, he is to be a father, too?

Do I want a boy or a girl? Hmmmmmm. You've asked a politically tough question, one that is sensitive. Ahem. Well, I'll tell ya, officially, we wish, of course, for the child to be healthy and happy, as all parents do. That is obvious. But...........between us guys.....I am secretly wishing for a boy.
Call me old fashioned, but there's something about the first born being a boy that I like. Now, if it's a girl, I will NOT be disappointed, not at all.
 
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RE: YYZ Spotting

Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:42 am

Congrats. Neil. Hope you bring him up well, and don't be scared to chage his diaper..... Do you want a boy or a girl?

What ?!?!?!?!?!?!
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:15 am

Didn't get that memo, eh Neil  Laugh out loud
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:09 pm

Let me be the first to congratulate you Neil! I see a bright, if rather difficult child who will prosper as a true capitalist in the future. My best wishes on hearing this wonderful news Neil! I couldn't be happier for you!  Smile
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:20 pm

I see a bright, if rather difficult child who will prosper as a true capitalist in the future.

Thanks! I think he will also be handsome, athletic and well endowed! I just wish I could remember who I impregnated this time. Ah well....

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RE: YYZ Spotting

Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:25 pm

RDPS, I took a moment and visited that link you posted above. My God, you people are really serious about this airport spotting, aren't you? You've certainly devoted a lot of time and energy to this. You seem to be well organized.

But this I must ask. Do the airport police and (if applicable) other authorities there really give you all such a hard time and hassle re spotting? I must say I have spotted at Pearson more than a few times in the last year, and many of those times we were seen by the police, who did not approach us at all and let us be.

"Cdn.Lad.; Bring the in-laws and the wife/mommy-to-be out to YYZ to meet the gang"

Oh yes, what could be healthier than to have my pregnant lovely and my beloved child-to-be inhale JP4 fuel. LOL. Just razzin ya. Thanks for the invite, but I juuust can't picture my in-laws willing to stand in a parking lot and watch take-offs and landings, that aint their bag. These people are very very high maintenance.

Yyz717 wrote: "Thanks! I think he will also be handsome, athletic and well endowed! I just wish I could remember who I impregnated this time. Ah well..."

Hmmm, Well, let's try and figure this out. How many cleaning women (you know Pirini Scleroso - SCTV?) work in your office building? There can't be that many? *wink*

Oh Neil, this is wonderful news. Congratulations from one Dad-to-be to another. Our children will be born at the same time (?) and we can enroll them in the same exclusive playgroup (we seriously and simply cannot have our pride and joys associating with the riff-raff of Toronto) when they reach the Terrible Twos. Now, for a baby gift, YOU can look for an old fashioned Winnie The Pooh Bear and a hardcover book of "The Complete Stories Of Winnie The Pooh" for my little guy/gal. As for YOUR baby gift, hmmmm, I'll try and find a copies of "Dow Jones For Tots", "Daddie's Little Stock Broker", and "Little Wally Goes To Wall Street". And, I will purchase a "Bill Gates" action figure! *WINK*


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