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Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:47 am

I was wondering if anyone could tell me how much traffic Pan Am pushed through Houston Intercontinental during it's day's in the sun.

I've seen some photos of Pan Am Heavies at IAH, and was curious.

Thanks

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:03 am

Pan Am had a daily 747 flight from IAH to both JFK and MEX through the mid 80's. It was flight 1/2, and continued on from JFK to LHR. Also, Pan Am flew IAH-LGW nonstop with the L1011-500. That service started around 1980 I believe. After the National integration, Pan Am still flew DC-10's between IAH and LAX/LAS/MSY/MIA for a time, although those routes were relegated to B727 service by the time 1983 rolled around.
 
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:04 am

I've seen photos of 747s, L1011's, and DC10's, as well as 727's all at IAH.

I'd love to see Pan Am timetable from the late 70's or early 80's.

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:45 am

Go back to the 60's and 70's and it was a nice crew base. They ran a few trips through there mostly to South America....Nothing like JFK in volume though.
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:28 am

If anyone reads "Airliners" magazine, You will find a wonderful article on the original National airlines. This article includes photos that tell National's story from the very early days to the how they intergrated into PAN AM. There are a few side stories about the "Fly Me" scadal and other tid bits. I think it would have been in a summer 1999 issue.

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:42 am

Could anybody tell more about that 747 IAH-MEx service. I appreciate that there is a lot of traffic between Houston and Mexico City but a 747 for such a short route seems like a little bit too much (well, okay, AM and MX flew DC-10's in domestic routes, so maybe it's not that surprising).

Anybody know how many months or years the service lasted and if the plane continued from IAH to another city in the U.S. or elsewhere? I hope I can find a pic of a Pan Am 747 in MEx in the a.net database.
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:13 am

Here are a few quick snapshots of PanAm at Houston.

1977
MEX 1X daily 707
The entire routing of the flight is as such:
Houston-Mexico-Guatemala-Managua-Panama City

1981
FLL 2X daily 727
FMY 1X daily 727
JAX 1X daily 727
LAS 2X daily 727
LGW 5X wkly L1011
LAX 4X daily 727
MEX 2X daily 727-747
MIA 4X daily 727-DC10-L1011
MSY 3X daily 727
JFK 2X daily 727-747
MCO 1X daily 727
PHX 2X daily 727
SAN 2X daily 727
SFO 2X daily 727-DC10
SEA 1X daily 727
TPA 2X daily 727
PBI 1X daily 727

1983
LAS 1X daily 727
LGW 1X daily 747
LAX 2X daily 727
MEX 2X daily 727-DC10
MIA 3X daily 727
MSY 2X daily 727-DC10
JFK 2X daily 727-DC10
SFO 1X daily DC10

plus, during this time there was a codeshare with Emerald Airlines operating to MFE/AUS/SAT using DC-9 aircraft.

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:33 am

Great info, Stirling!!!

I guess Pan Am was big on the 727 here at IAH, than the widebodies...
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:34 am

I've seen an A300 PA at IAH in a book, I think it would go to MIA, maybe not. Any ideas as to where it was going?
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:25 am

An A300 at IAH is entirely possible, I just can't find anything on it at the moment. I think what you may have seen was an equipment substitution, or a very brief scheduling blip....
What year do you remember seeing the A300 in IAH?
Here are the A300 routes from 1990.

MIA-LAX-SFO
MIA-JFK
MIA-MCO
JFK-CCS-POS
BOS-JFK-BGI
JFK-SXM
MIA-GUA
LAX-GUA-SAL-LAX
MIA-SJO
MIA-STX
MIA-CCS
JFK-MEX
MIA-MEX

The A300 briefly flew some of the Internal German Services, Frankfurt to Berlin, this appears to have ended by 1989.

The A310 on the otherhand was all over the place, mainly Europe, and some of the longer thinner hauls from Miami to South America.
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:02 pm

Just an anecdote, but I recall that PanAm had suspended its service from Houston to London, and CO (after its life-saving bankruptcy in 1983) announced that it was taking up the route (I also recall $249.00 introductory round-trip fares!).

PanAm immediately announced that they were resuming the service, radio ads, billboards, the whole nine yards. Then, instead of doing so, PanAm abandoned its IAH presence in a massive move-out. I still recall the TV footage of ticket counters with trash strewn about and wiring from hastily-removed terminals, etc.

I seem to recall that CO was being allowed to assume the service because PanAm was not using the route authority, but I also acknowledge that my recollection may be utterly bogus. Any authoritative sources out there?

In any event, that was the shaky beginning to what is now the very proud international service of CO.
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:12 pm

I am very curious about the MX), Mexico">MEX route with the 747. I have limited info of the route. I did have a friend that told me that he flew MX), Mexico">MEX-IAH-MX), Mexico">MEX on PA 747. On one ocassion, in 1981 or 82, I saw myself the 747 next to the MX plane that I was already onboard of (next to PA). However, I didn't know about the continuing flight to JFK and LHR as mentioned above.

Pan Am also flew to LAX with 727 and Orlando and Tampa with A300/727/Lockheed Tristar (more than the D10) in addition to the multiple JFK and MIA daily flights.

My father told me he did get to fly to CCS in PA via Central America (multiple stops), I think he told me it was the 707, but can't remember. The called it the "pan-american route."
 
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:16 pm

Sccutler-
I am trying to remember too!
But my memory includes British Caledonian in the mix as well, but your version sounds correct too.....
The early 80's were very active with deregulation being relatively new. I will check it out and see what I can come up with.
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:27 pm

In 1982 I took Pan Am IAH-MEX on a 747. IIRC, it was a evening flight that was delayed for over two hours so a overheating engine could be fixed. I remember that we had to sit on the plane while this was being done. We couldn't go back in the terminal, so there we sat for two hours in this hot 747. Angry

Once we got going, it was an ok flight. It was 100% full. It was the week before Thanksgiving. On the way back we took Air France which also was a 747. It went MEX-IAH-CDG. The safety announcement was done manually, and I think they did it in about six different languages.

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:30 pm

Scuttler,

You pretty much nailed it. My last PA 747 flight was in '84' from JFK into IAH. I was communting between the cities for most of the 80s. If I remember correctly after '85', PA abandoned it's int'l ops from IAH and went purely domestic, shortly thereafter they moved ops across town to HOU. They re-started IAH ops in the late 80s or early 90s with tenative plans to re-start int'l flights (MEX) but as we all know PA would cease to be a year or so later.

A side note, rumour was that back in the early 80s, PA actually considered moving it's HQ, to Houston.

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:37 pm

Stirling:

Yes, BCal offered either Daily or thrice weekly DC-10 service IAH-LGW. I can't remember what the frequency was, but I do know it was with a 10.
I also remember partying with a few BCal gals while they had their three day layover here in Houston. They'd call when they arrived and off we would go. Whenever they would leave to go back to England, they would say "We're off again, walking the Atlantic!"
One Thanksgiving several of them arranged to have Thanksgiving here as it's not celebrated in England.(Obviously) They wanted to experience an American Thanksgiving Holiday. They cooked up a few English specialties so we had a Turkey with English side dishes and lots and lots of Champagne. Those were some of the best times I ever had! This was 1981.
I remember one F/A in particular. She put on my cowboy hat, looked in the mirror and had a somewhat bewildered look on her face and said "It's not very English, is it?" Just the way she said it. Cracked me up for days!
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:56 pm

BCal went to daily at some point, as I have an Apr 29-Oct 27, 1979 BCal schedule. My routemap insert shows Houston and NYC as the only 2 US cities at that time.

From Houston to London the flight left at 6pm and arrived London at 9am next day. From London to Houston the flt left at 1140am and arrived Houston 4pm.

Tony Trivia: Bcal was my second airline and flight as a kid. When we moved from Houston to London we took Pan Am, and when we came back in late 79 we flew BCal nonstop to Houston.


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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:23 am

This is the kind of history I like about Airlines. Why they pulled out, what equipement they were using, and why...


I've read the book "Skygods", which is about the fall of Pan Am.

I'd love to find a book that goes a little deeper in the day to day of Pan Am. I doubt, however, that such a book exists.

Again, thanks for the info, guys!!!!
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:36 am

Pan Am indeed flew the MEX-IAH-London route, with 741s and later with L1011-500s. At the same time, I think, Air France flew a MEX-IAH-CDG route with 747s....thus flying between MEX and IAH offered some very interesting choices! First Class fares on AF between IAH and MEX were very reasonably priced, and was one of the greatest bargains available at the time....luxurious service (full meal services were offered with champaegne and other extras), very comfortable seating, and a 747 on a 2 hour flight!

Operations at Houston were greatly influenced by the Pan Am/National deal - Houston was a mini-hub for National at the time of the takeover. And, as they say, the rest is history.

PS-one poster mentioned a Pan Am service long ago operating between Houston and Caracas via Central America - I believe that is one of the old Pan Am-Grace (PANAGRA) routes. Most PANAGRA routes ended up with Braniff, then Eastern and now American.
 
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:57 am

....thus flying between MEX and IAH offered some very interesting choices!

At the time there were lots and lots of destinations where you had a wide choice of equipment to choose from, cost wasn't really an issue back then. I guess I got spoiled, God I miss those times!
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:08 am

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So I would assume you had an "intimate" knowledge of the B-Cal ops at IAH??  Smile I can only imagine the proper little BCal FA wearing nothing but a cowboy hat!  Wow! You dog You!!!!!!

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:33 am

I flew into Houston in August of 1970 on a PA 720B that originated in Sao Paulo (VCP) at 8AM and landed at IAH at 1159PM. This was flight 502 and was a Saturday only flight. The flight transited GIG, BSB, PTY, GUA, and MEX before IAH. You could connect with a 707 at PTY for service to LAX and SFO.
 
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:10 am

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Funny that you mentioned flight 502, because that was the flight number of the first leg of the IAH-MEX flight I posted above. By 1977, the flight was truncated at PTY, after the Central America milk-run.
In 1977, getting to GIG from PTY, was then Flight#516, a MON and THU only service, but upgraded to a 747 from the 707 you flew on. In addition, other differences from 1970 to 1977 include the flight to Brasillia(BSB) having been moved over to MIA, as a continuing service to GIG.
That connection to LAX at PTY, was on a 747, it operated on WED, FRI, SUN, and also on a 747, but either with a stop in GUA 1-stop(WED/FRI), or in SJO and GUA 2-stop(SUN). Probably the last time SJO or GUA will see anything as large as a 747 in a passenger configuration....unless Iberia does something in the wake of MIA closing as its Americas hub.....we will see.

I will never cease to be amazed by the aircraft PANAM used to certain places. Back in those days, PANAM was truely an INTERNATIONAL airline! There wasn't one corner of the globe that PANAM couldn't get you too! Even Africa, (which is totally ignored today by U.S. airlines) flying to Dakar, Monrovia, Abidjan, Accra, Cotonou, Lagos, Douala, Libreville, Kinshasha, Nairobi, Dar es Salaam, and Johannesburg. Sad to see this airline gone.
I will never forget as a child, living under the approach to PDX, climbing a tree to get a better vantage point of the PANAM 707 landing on its daily LHR-SEA-PDX-HNL service. I was an odd child, in that at 10 years old, I could correctly identify each and every aircraft, and from where it came! Those were the days!
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:45 am

Stirling, what you said is exactly what draws me to Pan Am. At the height of their success, they were truly a global airline. Every corner of the world was served by Pan Am.

Part of me wished I could go back and watch Pan Am at JFK for days at a time. I really miss Pan Am, even though I wasn't old enough to enjoy it.

And nice name, bluemeatball!!!!

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:34 am

As a kid, I remember my mom and dad always using this particular travel agent in north Texas. Behind her console was this big map of the world and where PanAm flew to.

It truly was an international airline, flying to every corner of the world!!
Sadly, the hub and spoke model won out, and PanAm's poor business practices also became too much to bear, and it died out!
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:40 am

Wasn't Eastern the dominant carrier at Houston? or was it continental? or neither? *lol*
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:48 am

here is one for the memory banks...
about 1980-81... PanAm had an interchange flight with Wien Air Alaska

Flight went IAH-SEA as a PanAm flight.. then SEA-ANC-SCC as a Wien flight
return SCC-ANC-SEA as Wien then SEA-IAH as PanAm

I don't think the flight stopped in FAI... but could be mistaken..

Anyone remember this flight....??? surprisingly the flight was often oversold...
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:01 am

Lono-Many time I worked the IAH-SEA portion. We used a 727-100 much of the time when I was working. You are right though, never an open seat, in fact more than once our cockpit did what the Ryan crew got in trouble for the other day, putting a couple of pass riding crew members on the loo seats for takeoff and landing. We always had our jumpseats filled both cabin and the one in the cockpit too.
 
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:13 am

Skyhawk
I was on the receiving end in SEA...!!!! worked the SEA-ANC-SCC portion... ahh good times!!! good memories... was glad that I remembered it!!
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:27 am

7e72004,

I would say that there was no real 'dominant' carrier at IAH during those years. Braniff was big here as was EA, CO, NA, TI, PA, ect.... It would not be until Frank Lorenzo's Texas Int'l (Texas Air Corp) acquired Continental (and merging of TI and CO ops) and the completion of terminal 'C' in 81 that IAH would be considered a true hub and actually have a dominant carrier.

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:21 pm

In 1986 I flew with British Caledonian from IAH-LGW. Great flight and was my first solo trip abroad.

Also, sometime in the late 70s or early 80s, I took the PanAm flight with my dad and step-sister. We were heading back to Houston from his ranch in Uruapan. We missed our connection and were forced to buy first class seats on PanAm. I remember distinctly that it was indeed a widebody but I know it was not a 747 since we were sitting upfront. The flight attendant gave me a PanAm model that I think kick-started my love of airlines!
 
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:22 pm

I am sure I was on many more PA flights during my childhood, but the ones that I recall only were MEX-JFK-FCO and CDG-JFK-MEX in the summer of 1990 (most likely July). I guess that by then the survival of PA was very much in doubt, but my recollection (I was not even 13) is that service was pretty good anyway (I also remember that we chose PA over a European carrier because my Dad had to attend a meeting or something in New York before we could start our European vacation and because he really liked PA a lot).

I have no idea what types of airplane were used for those flights, but I guess they could have been 747's between JFK and Europe and A300-600's between JFK and MEX. The demise of PA shortly after this vacation was a very sad thing and, even though I was not much into aviation, I felt it was a totally unfair thing since PA was a really good airline.

Sorry that this post has nothing to do with IAH.
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Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:25 pm

Stirling:

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I just remember that one BCal F/A in particular arrived at my place still in her "school girl" BCal uniform. She jumped into the bathroom for a few moments and came out wearing this absolutely wild plum color satin jumpsuit, even with matching shoes and eye color. Remember, this was 1980-81. I shall mention that it was near skin tight, and she had the right kind of figure for it too. That is a sight I will never forget, and I am sure that there are guys out there that saw her and probably still would remember her. Wonderful personality. Unfortunately we lost contact after a few years.
I would usually take her back to the crew hotel the day before she was to fly back to London. At the time they were staying at Dunfey's in SW Houston (long ago demolished). Anyway they had a special wing for air crews and I told her I'd walk her to her room, she said that wasn't necessary but I walked back there anyway. Shortly after I turned the corner of the hall coming back to my car I heard a loud scream. Someone was waiting in the stairway and grabbed her after I had just left her doorway. By the time I got there the culprit was running across the parking lot. That was the last time they stayed at that hotel!

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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:22 pm


Hola Eddie!

>nybody know how many months or years the service lasted and if the plane continued from IAH to another city in the U.S. or elsewhere? <

The flight was MEX-IAH-JFK-LHR and then on around the world until it crossed the pacific and reached LAX flying eastbound (the return flight was the other way around, of course). I wish I still had one of those timetables! That flight was operated by a 747.

After PA got their L15, they would fly them MEX-IAH-LGW. They also had their 707 flight.

Other carriers using widebody equipment on scheduled service MEX-IAH include AF (747 and 340 for a short time), CO (at least their first flight of the day was a DC-10 and then they changed to an A300. This lasted for quite a long time), and, believe it or not, KL, although they didn't have passenger traffic rights MEX-IAH. In fact, KL's MEX-AMS was at first MEX-IAH-YMX-AMS, then it became MEX-IAH-AMS, and finally it became MEX-AMS with the arrival of KL's 744's (the flights were GUA-MEX-AMS and return for quite some time). But I'm straying off topic.
 
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:47 am

JoseMEX-

You almost got it!
It's confusing, I will admit that!

The 747 that left Mexico City daily at 9:00am for Houston, had TWO (2) separate flight numbers......

If you bought a ticket from Mexico City to Houston it was flight #52.
But!.... if you were ticketed to New York you would be on the famous flight #2.

The aircraft you got on in Mexico, terminated at Kennedy at 5:05pm local time.
The same aircraft then operated the 6:45pm departure back to Houston and Mexico City, arriving there at 12:30am, where it stayed on the ground till its 9:00am rotation back to Houston and New York.
For passengers booked on flight #2, they would disembark and board another 747 bound for London....the technical beginning of PA2 around the world, eventually winding up in Los Angeles.

So my question to PanAm old-timers is this, why did this flight have the two (2) different flight numbers?
I am assuming since Houston was a hub at the time, extending the 'round the world' flight to Houston made sense, and a further extension to Mexico City was for consistencey.
This was 1980.
By 1981, PA1/2 was beginning in Las Vegas, as a 727 to LAX and beyond, but we'll leave this for another topic.
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RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:13 am


Stirling,

>The 747 that left Mexico City daily at 9:00am for Houston, had TWO (2) separate flight numbers....<

Wow, you're absolutely right! I had completely forgotten about flight 52. I never quite understood why it had two flight numbers. Couldn't they just have extended the "official" flight 2 to MEX? Could it be that maybe there were some sort of legal or governemnt regulations (I don't know, aviation treaties, traffic rights, etc) whereas the same flight could serve, for instance, MEX-IAH but not MEX-LHR?

Do you remember what flight number was the afternoon L15 MEX-IAH LGW? Was there a change of equipment at IAH or was it really same-plane service from MEX to LGW?
 
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:51 am

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I agree, the flight number assignments doesn't make sense.....I wish I could answer!

As for the L15.
I am looking...it seems that it was very short lived, since I see a DC10 operating the 8:00am Mexico-Houston-New York, a 747 on the London portion. Then at another time it was an A300, operating the 9:00am Mexico-Neuva York. This was 1983 and 1989.
The afternoon flights I see came later on, and only in the form of an A300 to Miami at 4:35pm. The L15 was more than likely a very short term operation. Maybe 1984-85?
The reason I say this is because the L-1011-500 was the Long-Range version. Mexico to NY is 2085 miles. But then again, PA operated the DC10, the A300, the L1011, the 747, and the 747SP all at the same time, so an L15 into Mexico City is certainly within the realm of possibility.
You'll see what I mean when you look at the mess of routes they were deployed.
Here are some of the L1011 routes....

  • New York Kennedy-San Francisco

  • New York Kennedy-Los Angeles

  • New York Kennedy-Miami

  • New York Kennedy-Chicago OHare

  • New York Kennedy-West Palm Beach

  • New York Kennefy-Detroit-Minneapolis/StPaul

  • New York Kennedy-Montego Bay-Kingston

  • New York Kennedy-Bermuda

  • San Francisco-Honolulu

  • Los Angeles-Caracas-Rio de Janeiro

  • Miami-Caracas

  • Miami-Santiago





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    Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:09 am


    Stirling,

    >it seems that it was very short lived, since I see a DC10 operating the 8:00am Mexico-Houston-New York<

    A PA DC-10 MEX-IAH? I had no idea whatsoever about it. I do know they used the DC-10 MEX-MIA after their purchase of National (I flew on them a couple of times) but I had no idea they flew them MEX-IAH (CO did fly a DC-10 MEX-IAH).

    As for the L15, they did fly them MEX-IAH at some point (trust me, I flew one once  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ). This must have been 1979, perhaps? Late 70's/very early 80's in any case. I remember that L15 I took was a morning flight; don't know if it was flight 52/2 or if this flight was in addition to the morning 747 flight. (I flew a 747 JFK-IAH-MEX as late as August 1984, however; so I guess by this time they were no longer using the Tristars).

    There was another flight in the afternoon which was MEX-IAH-LGW and it was operated by a L15, but I can't remember if it was an L15 for both legs of the flight or just for the transatlantic portion, MEX-IAH being flown with a 727 probably.

    BTW, I remember clearly that the seat rows on their 707's (at least the one I flew IAH-MEX once) were numbered from the rear to the front of the aircraft (i.e., row 1 was the rearmost row); do you have any idea why this was so? Did any other carriers number their seat rows this way?
     
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    RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

    Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:19 am

    Eddie

    " I hope I can find a pic of a Pan Am 747 in MEx in the a.net database."

    You probably have already seen it on myaviation.net, but if you haven't, there it goes:


    MyAviation.net photo:
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    Photo © Jorge Rocafort Aviation Photography of Mexico


    I guess it was coming in from IAH.

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    RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

    Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:11 am

    I know this question is a stretch, but does anyone know how many gates Pan Am had at IAH?

    From pictures, it's seems they had quite a few in Terminal A.



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    RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

    Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:38 pm

    Tough question. After BI's demise, PA acquired many (if not all) of BI's gates at 'B's east satellite in addition to their int'l ops at 'B's west satellite for a time they utilized NA's gates at 'A' after the merger in '80' as well. From what I remember they did a lot jockeying around from '79-86' before moving ops to HOU.

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    RE: Pan Am At IAH (historically)

    Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:28 pm

    Wow, thanks for all this info and for the pic guys. Sometimes I wish I had been older during the eighties since it was a really exciting time in terms of airplane types variety at MEx and in terms of wacky itineraries (mandated likely, among other things, by the shorter range of airplanes at the time).

    Now that there is a third attempt at PA doing East Coast flights in the U.S., sometimes I wonder if they should be very successful and expand a lot so as to become a real successor of the original PA. Then I realize that PA as we knew it is gone and won't come back, and the new PA is just a small company lucky enough to hold rights to the legendary name that will remain small.

    Finally, it is sad that the oil crises of the past, the hard times that the aviation industry is going through and the fact that narrowbodies can do now flights that used to be considered long-hauls have basically forced airlines to serve more routes with narrowbodies. I dream that the day will come when MX will get new widebody Airbuses and will fly them to JFK, ORD and LAX, although I realize that that might never happen (now the only widebodies that MEx gets from U.S. cities are AA's A300-600's from MIA and sometimes MX's 763ER doing a LAX-MEx rotation).
    Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738