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BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:55 pm

Hi, what are BA's intl. routes that does not include the UK. Basically what are their routes that do not include LHR LGW BIR Glasgow etc.
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:57 pm

One route is IAH-ORD, but to the best of my knowledge they dont have fith freedom rights. The flight just continues on to LHR from ORD.
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:00 pm

BA Comair is based in Johannesburg and serves South African domestic destinations. They carry full British Airways colours.
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:23 pm

The main ones are:
BKK-SYD
SIN-SYD
SIN-MEL

Comair operates route on a franchise agreement for BA like Regional Air in East Africa, Loganair in Scotland etc.
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Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:28 pm

COEWRNJ is correct that BA lacks 5th freedom on IAH-ORD.
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:31 pm

GRU-EZE
Bahrain-Doha
CCS-BOG

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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:33 pm

BA flies LHR-BAH-DOH (and return), and does have 5th freedom rights (i.e. you can buy a ticket for just the BAH-DOH or DOH-BAR sector of the flight).
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:00 pm

BA flies: NAS-GCM (Cayman)
NAS-PLS (Providencials)
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:06 pm

BKK-AB) (MNL / RPLL), Philippines">MNL

Continuing flight from LHR.
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:09 pm

BA has lots of small 737's in afrika for feeder flights to fill their long-hauls to LHR! there are some in JNB, harare and nairobi as i've seen
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:39 pm

The only BA Mainline flights that I am aware of are as BaXMAN stated:

BKK-SYD
SIN-SYD
SIN-MEL

BA have full rights to carry passengers on these trips to my knowledge.

The other routes like GIG-GRU you cant just buy tix for these sectors.

 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:56 pm

ChrisZRH, as BAxMAN already mentioned, it's actually not BA flying those planes, but airlines operating under a franchise agreement: from JNB it's Comair, a South African airline that existed for quite a while before they teamed up with BA - and from NBO it's Regional Air (operated by Air Kenya)...

You can find the list of franchise carriers here:
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bafran/public/en_us

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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:01 pm

BKK-AB) (AB) (MNL / RPLL), Philippines">MNL / RPLL), Philippines">AB) (MNL / RPLL), Philippines">MNL

Continuing flight from LHR.


BA does no longer serve Manila. Out of the top of my head:

ORD-IAH
GRU-EZE
GRU-GIG
CCS-BOG
SIN-SYD
SIN-MEL
BKK-SYD
BAH-DOH

 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:30 pm

Also in the Middle East they fly AUH(Abu Dhabi)-MCT(Muscut) with 777s

Back in 2000 they flew HBE(Alexandria-Borg Al Arab)-LXR(Luxor) on a 2x weekly basis with A320s. Now LXR has been replaced with Addis Ababa (Ethiopia) which is a continuation of their Alexandria flights (4x weekly A320).
Note: operated by British Mediterranean

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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:38 pm

Forgot to mention British Mediterranean operate a few triangle routes in the Middle East involving Beirut, Damascus, Aleppo and Amman as well as some Central Asian destinations.

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Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:14 am

in the past ba had hkg-mnl and hkg-tpe .
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:40 am

Back in the 1990's/early 2000, BA flew LGW - ISB - MAN- LGW with the B742 and later the B744, did they have rights to carry pax between MAN and LGW? I always wanted to know.Would have been so cool to have booked a ticket on the "shuttle" and have flown a 747!!
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:53 am

CKT523, that depends: if all pax went through immigration/customs in MAN, then they could have taken more on board for the leg to LGW... but mixing pax from the international sector and domestic pax is at least a logistical nightmare, and most countries simply don't permit it.

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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:54 am

BA does not have fifth freedom rights on BOG-CCS nor CCS-BOG
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:45 am

Back in the 60s/70s I think, there was a BOAC flight (BA prefix?) routed something like TYO-HKG-CMB-SEZ-JNB. I think the route had a name, but damned if I can think what it was now. Ideas/memories anyone?
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:27 am

One route I completely forgot about for which BA *CAN* issue tickets is BAK (Baku, Azerbaijan) - FRU (Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan) -albeit operated by another franchise, British Mediterranean.
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Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:18 am

In the late 90s BA used to operate LHR-OTP-Baku and return on the same route. Thus the OTP-Baku segment is within the bounds of your question. However, BA was not allowed to sell OTP-Baku seats.
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:22 am

Also, there is Antigua to St Lucia, which operates twice a week.
 
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Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:30 am

I've flown BA Comair, and I have to state that you really can't tell any difference between Comair and the mainline. Well, other than that Comair has tons of room in coach (far more than AA!) and free booze, and good food, even on the JNB<->DUR run.
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:36 am

Current mainline / BA metal routes as of 25JUL04:

LGW -> ANU -> UVF / TAB / GND.
LHR -> NAS -> GCM / PLS.
LHR -> CCS -> BOG.
LHR -> SIN -> SYD / MEL.
LHR -> BKK -> SYD.
LHR -> GRU -> EZE / GIG.
LHR -> ORD -> IAH.
LHR -> BAH -> DOH.
LHR -> KWI -> JED / RUH.




LHR -> AUH -> MCT.


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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:47 am

FLYGRA,

yes, I do remember that flight operating also in the 80s, with a BA flight number on a 747. I know the routing involved JNB, CMB and AND OLD: Hong Kong - Kai Tak International (HKG / VHHH) (closed), China - Hong Kong">HKG. I don't remember SEZ and TYO - I may just not remember them or maybe in the 80s they had modified the routing.

Also in the past BA flew (I only include I can remember from the 80s and 90s, nothing previous to that or BOAC times)
- AND OLD: Hong Kong - Kai Tak International (HKG / VHHH) (closed), China - Hong Kong">HKG-PEK (continuation of their LHR flight)
- KUL-Australia
- NBO-MRU
- BAH-MRU
- SEZ-MRU
- NBO-LLW
- JNB-HRE
- LOS-ACC
- YVR-SEA
- ANC-Japan
- JNB-DUR
- and I am sure a couple more. Maybe someone can fill in.

AND: of course there were the intra-German routes up until the very early 90s, which disappeared with German unification. PA, AF and BA each had the traffic rights for domestic German flights. I belive that BA had CGN, HAJ, DUS, BRE, HAM. MUC I am not sure. Plus there was my favourite flight, a British Airways 737 doing Berlin TXL-Westerland/Sylt. GWT has never seen such big a plane again. Also, BA continued some of its UK flights within Germany, for instance there was a HAJ-HAM leg which I think was a continuation of a BHX flight.

Not sure whether the question focused exclusively on current BA flights or also on the recent past, but if someone has more information on the period from 1980-2000 I would be interested, too.
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:03 pm

For a time in the 90's BA operated a 757 between JFK and YYZ - a continuation of a service from ( I believe) Manchester. There were 5th freedom rights and as is often the case the fare was quite cheap.
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:45 pm

Mozart: Also, BA continued some of its UK flights within Germany, for instance there was a HAJ-HAM leg which I think was a continuation of a BHX flight.

You're right - it was a continuation, although I'm not quite sure if it was MAN or BHX... but I think you're right in saying BHX.

That was a triangle-flight, operating BHX-HAJ-HAM-BHX, after a while, much to the surprise of quite a lot of people, not HAJ but HAM was cut out of the route... today both routes from HAJ (to BHX and MAN) are flown with ERJ145s.
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:13 pm

Leskova,

I think cutting out HAM instead of HAM had to do with the fact that the places where the Royal Army and RAF have their bases in Germany are more accessible from HAJ than from HAM. After all, I suppose that VFR traffic from troops and their families made up and still makes up a lot of the traffic on those routes.
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:29 pm

BA used to go LHR - PHX - San Diego, apparently the reason was a fully loaded 747 couldn't land at San Diego as the runway was too short (correct me if I'm wrong someone).

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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:08 am

Wasn't it more to do with the fact that a fully-loaded and fueled 744 could not take off from SAN?
 
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RE: BA Routes That Does NOT Include Anything In The UK

Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:25 am

The route did not stop for operational reasons - the 744 easily operated PHX SAN PHX with reasonably low fuel for the very short hops!

777s later replaced the 744s and did SAN direct to London, and v/v, but with reduced passenger loads.


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