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A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:19 am

I have officially given up on AIRLINE. I mean William Hung singing? Then we are back to the old oversold flight and a family that's pissed. 3 passengers that were in the bar and didn't hear the boarding call. Sound familiar? I just switched back to "Catch me if you can" and "Courage under fire" Much more entertaining. This also will conclude my posts on this worthless subject. It's worth my time typing.

My friend was right "Airport" on discovery wings is much better!
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:23 am

another thread on this:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1670501/

i hope it doesn't come across as harsh, but I already posted it.
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:56 am

I know but this my Au Revoir to Airline! Thank God Monday Night Football will be back soon!
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:37 pm

The storylines do seem to repeat, but I love being at the airport so much that I will continue to watch. The more I watch, the more I think that I would love to work Ticket Lift and tell some stupid drunk that he must love beer more than he loves that flight and he's not getting on. I love to have a drink now and then but dammit put the beer down dumb ass. Drink when you get there. They aren't staisfied with just 1 but they have to drink 7. Is it beer or crack?

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Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:11 pm

I have officially given up on AIRLINE.

Well Hallelujah! It's about time people here realized how lame this show is.

 
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:11 pm

With all of the drunks on the show it makes me wonder when they'll have a beer-drinking contest on "Airline" and get rid of the drunks once and for all! Come on, A&E, William Hung? Drunk, smelly people? Give us more ramp ops, like in that episode where the plane had to be pushed back from a difficult to maneuver gate, just get rid of the drunks! There's got to be more interesting things than this! Maybe do an episode where you get to see a 737 being painted or something else like that. But no drunks!
 
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:15 pm

Oh man did u see it tonight? The drunk guy who was part of his band asking his "record label" to charter a private jet from MDW-LAX?
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:21 pm

I like the drunks and the people mad because the flight is oversold. When I have a day where I screw up something, this show reminds me that I'm no where near as dumb as some WN passengers.

As for the people who wanted that CSA to keep raising the price to get off the plane, most airlines now have caps on the amount of vouchers offered to volunteers.

I think AA now caps vouchers at $300.

I just wanted to know why Madonna's costumes were flying WN. Wouldn't you think the Material Girl would have her costumes aboard a private jet?
 
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:25 pm

The one guy that was trying to get to Buffalo with his family was crazy...what kind of father curses and has an outburst like that in front of his kids..that guy is mental and needs a good ass kicking!
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:36 pm

I have officially given up on AIRLINE.

Well Hallelujah! It's about time people here realized how lame this show is.


Agreed!! Its the same problems every show....just different people each time. Sort of like a friggen re-run but not with the same pax. Sound familiar?? LOL
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:41 pm

Maybe do an episode where you get to see a 737 being painted or something else like that.

I'd like that...but not for the whole show! I can see it now... "then we get the blue paint out and spray..."

Not that we wouldn't like it, but in the television business, reality=drunks...drunks=ratings...ratings=advertisers...advertisers=$$$.

without the $$$ there wuld be no Airline at all!
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:50 pm

I did not understand why they made that girl run around to security for a lost ticket? Can't they just confirm the ID and print a duplicate ticket? Is it a Southwest policy..if so what is the logic behind it?
 
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Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:59 pm

You know, I have to go along with the consensus, this show is really taking a nose dive, imo.

I remember the very first 'Airline' made in the late 80s or early 90s. Now that is something that most eveyone here would have enjoyed. It has been some 15 or so years since I saw it but if memory serves, there were no drunken obnixious, brain dead, screaming passangers, no body builders, and no oversold flghts. What the original 'Airline' profiled was BA's pilot training, a flight from LHR to BKK, BA's then chief Lord King taking delivery of a new 747-400 in Everett as well as profile of DL in ATL in addition to other interesting subjects. Now that is the way to profile an airline's operations.

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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:41 pm

CactusA319,

You are right, I have seen the light and will only watch the UK version from here on! That show last night was the most horrible thing I have ever seen. They have run out of material!  Angry

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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:44 pm

How about if they were to maybe leave WN and focus on other airlines. I think that is what iti is. More so than the fact of the usuak pissed pax, baggage missing and the drunks.


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Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:28 am

Whatever the case the show is dead. I could not believe how bad last night's episode was. No more!
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:34 am

Funny, I had to change planes at MDW yesterday and I didn't see anyone having any problems. Everyone was calm and collected. And I didn't see any of WN's customer service agents running down the concourse. They must tape for weeks to get an hour's worth of complainers.

I agree, Airline has had it.

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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:20 am

What the original 'Airline' profiled was BA's pilot training, a flight from LHR to BKK, BA's then chief Lord King taking delivery of a new 747-400 in Everett as well as profile of DL in ATL in addition to other interesting subjects

I remember seeing that show. I think it was called Jet Jockeys.
 
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:25 am

Can you buy whole series of UK made "Airport" ? I would love to have it on DVD.

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Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:25 am

Years from now, we'll all look back at last night's episode as the crucial moment when A&E's Airline show officially "jumped the shark."  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:57 am

I love "Airline", personally. I am really interested in the customer service aspect of the show. It is fascinating to see how the employees deal with all of the different problems that come up....and it amazes me to see how unprofessional some of WN's employees are! I would be really bored watching scenes of ramp agents and maintanence and cockpits shots, etc. However, I do realize that there are aviation buffs who are a lot more into that aspect of airline ops than the customer service aspect. I think "Airline" should do more of a mixture of the two to appease the variety of viewers out there. By the way, maybe y'all should get TiVO. That way you can skip the stuff that you think is boring - like how I skipped the William Hung stuff and the story about the bodybuilder. I also agree that we see the same things (i.e. drunk passengers, oversold flights) on a frequent basis. However, there are not that many different things that happen. The series can only show what actually happens. "Airline" is doing really well in the ratings, so they must be doing something right. I think the only people who are complaining are the real aviation enthusiasts because they expect more than just the fluffy filler and repetitive stories or angry passengers. I love the show, but I still understand everyone's view points, too.



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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:26 am

Mike77,

I agree with you, I think one reason why they show a lot of drunk passengers is because there is not much else going on that is better then that. I personally find the drunk passengers to be funny. I also think William Hung must have the very best PR people in the entertainment business.
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:44 am

Maybe the reason that the show is doing so good is because we keep watching it every week with the hope that it won't be the same old drunk people. Unfortunately it never is.  Sad
 
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:23 am

Yeah Airline was fun for the first four episodes until you saw that they repeat every story line. Also, it's hard to feel sorry for these people when you fly as much as I do. Frankly I don't want MY flight held for some people who didn't realize you show up 2 hours (not 2 minutes) prior to flight time. As a very wise man put it, if you fly a lot you don't enjoy it because you've seen it enough while you're at the airport.
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:18 am

Airport on Discovery wings is excellent except for the fact that the things that we are seeing happened ages ago. I mean you see Canadian Airlines concierge, BA old livery, old BAA uniforms, old old old old... But it still cointinues to make me want to watch. However, I do enjoy Airline but I get sick and tired of re-runs, same problems, etc. Maybe if A&E switiched to a different airline like UA or AA we could get some diversity and see how their Customer Service adds up to WN.

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Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:22 pm

One reason "reality" TV is so popular is cost. Reality is cheap.

Here in America, when sitcoms ruled the airwaves if a show was popular the actors/actresses would eventually start demanding six figure incomes. Look at what happened to "Freinds". Reality TV does not use actors or actresses, they use regular people who they have to pay little or nothing to. Money saved.
They also don't have to build sets, "reality" locations are already built so money is saved. "Reality TV" is a cash cow that the networks are going to milk to death. More money saved.
The audience (viewers) like reality type shows, they watch ratings go up and sponsors pay big bucks to advertise on these shows.
Next season we will have tons more reality shows than we do now. But the end may be in sight. Popular directors of the better reality shows are in high demand, and their salaries are going up. They are asking for more and more. It won't be too much longer before people start asking for more to be on these shows and then the people who own the locations will realize that there is money to be made and will start asking for more in "location fees".
I give it three more years before "reality" starts to fade...
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:37 pm

Maybe if A&E switiched to a different airline like UA or AA we could get some diversity and see how their Customer Service adds up to WN.
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:03 pm

At least we won't have to read the weekly "Airline" thread anymore.
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:11 pm

The one bad thing about "reality TV" is that is not real. When you see that person holding a camera that it pointing at you your behavior is not what it would be normally. If you want true "reality TV" the only way to do it is with a hidden camera that nobody knows is there. Then you may see some action. The WN customer service agents are terrible in my opinion and some of their actions are made for TV. I mean that guy that Colleen threw off the flight didn't do anything! I didn't see that guy do anything Colleen he did He raised his voice a little when he asked Colleen if she saw a storm outside but besides that didn't do anything. Then Colleen had to feed her already inflated ego and play it up for the camera by going on a flight and removing him from a plane he already boarded? Come on, that was a joke. Just like what the show has become.
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:51 pm

NIKV69, actually what Colleen did with kicking that guy off the plane was completely acceptable. The way he behaved with her and the CSA's was appalling! There is no excuse for belittling someone the way he did with them. And if he acts like that once, who's to say he won't get agitated about something during the flight and cause a scene. I work as a Front Desk Manager at a deluxe hotel, and I have denied guests a room when their behavior towards me or one of my front desk employees bordered on abusive. I'm not trying to satisfy my ego....it's just that if someone has a complete lack of respect for another person, then they should not be allowed to utilize my facility. She handled him beautifully during his rant and once she was removing him from the aircraft.

I do have agree with you, though, that I see many CSA's on "Airline" who handle irrate passengers and sticky situations very poorly. Many times they act so annoyed to be there and just want the passengers to leave them alone. This week's episode where the family en route to Orlando was bumped due to an oversold situatuion, the CSA kept interrupting the angry father and not at all sympathizing with his situation. Many of these employees don't take the time to listen and put themselves in the traveler's shoes. That is key to passifying an angry customer and getting them to become a repeat guest.




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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:23 pm

Mike,

That guy didn't do anything! He was asking why people got on the plane ahead of him. Not once did I see him do anything Colleen said he did. He came close to yelling once when he asked about the weather. What was even better was Colleen never gave him an answer to his question. Just decided to walk across the airport and make a fool out of him. Sad.
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:41 pm

My 2 cents: I have ssen the show once or twice. It confirms what I have heard about Southwest, and why I will never fly with them.

BTW, the UK "Airport" show about LHR was far more interesting.
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Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:02 pm

Remember that the editors and directors of these reality shows can edit the show to get the plot they want. They can make the nicest person seem like a royal a**, or the most sarcastic person on the planet seem nice. It's all done through creative editing. Showing only the parts they want you to see so you will think of a situation in a certain way. It's like only telling part of the story.
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:14 pm

Type-rated,

Exactly! I am glad someone knows what is going on. These WN agents are funny. They definitely play it up for the camera.
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:25 pm

In the UK at the moment we have Britannia Airline on Sky Travel, easyJet Airline on ITV 2 and WN Airline USA on ITV1, every weekday, that's 15 different episodes each week!
 
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:28 pm

Type-Rated and Mike77:
welcome to my Respected list!

Bottom line, we need to tell A&E what we think. I have been saying this for days, but I've procrastinated. I think I might get around to a letter (with a link to this thread) to prove to A&E that there are people who don't watch for the drunks!

No duh they only show hald the story! They made the stormy weather guy look like the evilest person in the airport, when, in my opinion, Colleen was just as bad. It was probably a dead heat in terms of the battle! They do that with the denied boardings, too! They only show where the guy is mad and then where it is resolved. We have no idea what happened between there!

What I really miss are the passenger stories from last year. The African prince, the Faithway Doves, among others. We have not had 1 passenger story yet (unless you include drunks who argue and get to the gate late)!
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:03 am

I stopped watching it after I saw a little, old lady in a wheelchair with a big oxygen tank say, "I'm an American citizen. I have a right to be on that plane!"

That did it for me. I'm glad she was not allowed to board, though  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:04 am

I live "Airline" everyday at work, I don't need to watch it on tv!!
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Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:59 am

I agree with Flyboyaz. Its more fun to watch it in person anyways.
 
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:57 am

That old lady was great, I loved it when she threatened to sue WN. Real classy!
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:58 am

SWAL Can go from sweetheart to ruthless, heartless bitch in less than 60 seconds! I know they are trained to hold firm, and not give ANY ground to rude or demanding pax. The SW story is a great one for the poor family man. But it's a BIG operation now as opposed to 30 years ago, and you are now a faceless, lifeless peace of cargo to them. If your needs fit what they have available, "groovy baby" if not, "poof, be gone" I STILL can not for the life of me understand how they can strand entire families on vacation with long ago made reservations? Can't they bump the last booked (that were sold tix on an oversold basis) and leave those who planned and paid in plenty of time alone? Shitty attitude by swal if you ask me.
 
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Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:07 pm

One thing about that family of six that bothered me... the show never did say when they appeared at the gate? Was it 1 hour before departure? 2 Minutes before departure?

This is the way I look at it:
If they showed up late due to a late WN connection, I think WN should have put them on the next flight (no matter what airline) to their destination. But it was explained to the pax that WN doesn't do this. This should be clearly outlined on their website.
If they showed up late due to dillying around the airport, they should have known better and this is what they get.

At the end of those show, both those WN agents looked like they couldn't have cared less about this situation.
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:55 pm

I saw Airline for the 1st time in the hotel this week and after watching three episodes it seems to get a little old...don't get me wrong, it is interesting to watch but it seems like it could get real old real fast.
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Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:50 pm

What surprises me is that anyone here watches it at all. The show very little about the aircraft(not that WN airplanes are interesting), or any other aspect of airline ops.

I watched an episode(the one with the lady trying to ship raw chickens in a cooler) for the first time a week ago and found it boring and insulting to anyone who is really into aviation.

A&E would do better to film the ops(not just pax issues) of other airlines as well.
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Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:11 pm

7e72004,

Your not wrong your right! It got real old, real fast! I was afraid it would happen but after that first episode in the second season they are done!
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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:18 am

I think American reality shows, all of them, love to focus on stress/drama/conflict - maybe Jerry Springer ruined it for everyone.

That said, although i would far rather watch Airline/UK, the ongoing story about the checkin agent/cancer patient is quite tiresome and not really an airline story. I truly hope the girl gets well; now let's see some airplanes.

Between Southwest and EasyJet, it often seems that the EasyJet people are far more curt and dismissive with customers. Most people will udnerstand there's been a delay, there's been a goofup, things aren't going smoothly. But they also need to know simply the person telling them about the delay or goofup KNOWS they are inconvenienced and upset, and CARES about them. Too often the CSAs in the conflict storylines seem to demonstrate far too little empathy, IMHO.

And finally: I hope that all airline execs are following "Airline" and decide to do away with overbooking. If your staff spend hours every day trying to explain something to irate passengers which will never make sense in the passengers' eyes, well, it's time to do it differently.

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RE: A&E Airline I Officially Give UP!

Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:17 am

When will AIRPORT have new episodes most of them are from 2000 or 01