twalives
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No Working Lavs On Flight

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:23 pm

Prior to boarding an American Connection flight from STL-MKE the other night, the gate agent made an announcement that the lone lavatory aboard our embraer was out of order and that we should be sure to "relieve" ourselves prior to boarding.

The flying time to MKE is only a bit over an hour so I wasn't worried for myself but the situation got me thinking. First off, is it me or does anyone else think it could be a big problem if there were children aboard. We all know children have to use the restroom at the least convenient times. Plus, this is an hour flight but what about those 3.5 hr RJ flights across half the country?...would that even be legal? Does anyone know of any restrictions regarding working lavatories on commercial flights?
 
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:33 pm

hmmm I was under the impression that the front LAV at minimum must be IN OPERATION. . ? I would imagin diffrent rules for larger aircraft. .
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:39 pm

Apparently you've never been on a Beech 1900 then.
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:48 pm

For CRJs a flight may be dispatched legally with lav inop but we make sure that the duration of the flight is acceptable to the crew and the passengers.

ASA has those long flights half across the country but the most are operated by CRJ700s which has 2 lavs. As long as 1 lav is working then I think that is acceptable.

For CRJ200s there is only 1 lav in the back. If that equipment is assigned to a flight over an hour I usually request a swap.

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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:55 pm

Make sure not to serve coffee, and bran cereal!
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:04 pm

And it is almost a certainty that people's bowels and bladders will be just that much more active knowing that there isn't a working toilet on-board. Funny how the mind works.
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:20 am

2 hour flight on a CRJ (200 maybe? one toilet) from MSY to MCO without the toilet working. We were told before boarding so I think that's fair enough. Now a 3 hour flight or more is a different matter.

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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:28 am

I would think that if the flight was 90-plus minutes in duration, they would not have allowed the aircraft to take off and would have sought a substitute. Am I assuming too much here?
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:34 am

I was once on an ex-TWA 757 operating as an AA flight from LGA-DFW which has a flying time of around 3 hours. The Plane should have one lav at the front of the F Cabin, one by doors 2L/R and two by doors 3L/R. On the plane only two were working and we weren't even informed prior to departure. This caused some rather large lines including in the F Cabin aisle.
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twalives
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:42 am

2 hour flight on a CRJ (200 maybe? one toilet) from MSY to MCO without the toilet working. We were told before boarding so I think that's fair enough.


Guess you don't have kids? Two hours without a bathroom is impossible!
 
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:59 am

I don't! But I travelled with my 3 and 5 year old nieces on another flight, 9 hours, and they only needed to go once or twice.

Actually, I remember an Airline programme where they were flying to some Brit booze destination (Amsterdam, Ibiza, or Prague maybe) and only 1 working toilet. Trouble was these pax had quite a few before they boarded. Turned out the rear toilet just had a broken seat so they let the men use that one!

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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:15 am

Isn't it against FAA regulations NOT to have a working restroom on a flight?

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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:22 am

Isn't it against FAA regulations NOT to have a working restroom on a flight?

Well, then Beech 1900s wouldn't be allowed to be flown by Midwest Connect, US Airways Express, etc.... They don't even have a lav.
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:26 am

Well, then Beech 1900s wouldn't be allowed to be flown by Midwest Connect, US Airways Express, etc.... They don't even have a lav.


True, but that is not an aircraft that is equipped with several from the manufacturer, or flown for any length of time.

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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:25 am

Seems I always get dehydrated on airplane flights so if I was informed the lav was broken before boarding I could deal with being lav free for at least an hour.

The little kid thing is dead on.. but that is why we make benadryl, if Timmy is sleeping he's not peeing, or pissing off the other passengers.
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:29 am

I believe that this information is spelled out in the company ops manual. For example an aircraft the size of the A320/737 must have two of three working, dpending on the passenger load.
I would rather have to wait a little while for the lav, instaead of having a delayed or cancelled flight.
 
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:37 pm

There is no FAA regulation concerning operational lavatories. As mentioned, there may be a company specification for inop lavs, but no FAA reg.

An effort is usually made to swap it out with another a/c if the flight is too long, but for short hops it's OK for dispatch with out one. If it's broke, it's broke. They probably didn't have time to fix it or they'd take a delay, so off it goes until there is time in a mx base for it to be repaired. Better to get the pax where they need to be and let them pee there than delay a flight to fix the toilet.
 
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RE: No Working Lavs On Flight

Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:43 pm

True, but that is not an aircraft that is equipped with several from the manufacturer, or flown for any length of time.

I don't think a 1-1/2 hour MKE-CMH flight would be all that fun on a 1900!
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