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Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:50 am

Hi all,
Just been informed today that a group from BA have spent the last few days at Toulouse, including Rod Eddington himself.

Have no details other than that regarding type of aircraft being looked at, but it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet, so that tends to suggest Airbus' long haul aircraft are the ones in question, due to BA's short haul fleet already being comprised mainly of Airbus.

Also, it appears that there are no current talks between the airline and Boeing going on.

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:52 am

Maybe the A380....but I doubt it. Probably more A32Xs

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:55 am

Maybe the A380

Could well be, they do have a full mockup of the A380 cabin in Toulouse, and the new T5 at LHR, which will predominantly be used by BA, is designed for A380 operation.

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:02 am

''it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet''

So that means they might as well look at the 340/330 series. WOW, that would so cool!!

Then again, their 777's will have to placed with someone else. Which airline is big enough to takeover BA's 777's and 744's? How is BA's financial position?

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:04 am

T5 is designed for A380 operation to handle the QF A380s, they will be the 2nd airline at T5 not just BA as everyone thinks!

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JeffDCA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:23 am

JeffDCA: Have no details other than that regarding type of aircraft being looked at, but it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet,

I seriously doubt that he´d pursue such a strategy. What´s the source on that? Unsubstantiated rumours, again?

This would basically eliminate his leverage in negotiations with his delighted sole supplier...  Nuts

Besides, even though I subjectively prefer the A340 to the 777, would it really be wise to discard the 777s at this point? From what I´ve heard so far, I have my doubts about BA doing such a thing.
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:29 am

I seriously doubt that he´d pursue such a strategy. What´s the source on that? Unsubstantiated rumours, again?

Not asking you to believe it, just providing information that i've heard from a very reliable source at LHR. As usual, for obvious reasons i cannot name names.

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:33 am

Maybe the A380....but I doubt it.

Its very likely that BA will place an order because they have shown interest in the A380. They said they wanted to see how the aircraft perform then they will place a handsome order for the A380. That's just what I heard from a very reliable source.

Probably more A32Xs
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Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:34 am

Okay, so it´s an unsubstantiated rumour, as suspected.  Insane
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:37 am

No one calls the A321 the A32X. It's official that the A32X is now A321.

Many people refer to the A320 family (i.e. A318/319/320/321) as A32X, which was meant here rather than soley the A321  Big thumbs up

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:38 am

Believe what you want Klaus, i honestly couldn't care less. I was wrong before, and admitted it, if you've never made a mistake then feel free to keep making those kind of comments. Again, i honestly couldn't care less.

I already have one person backing up what i've heard, so it's obviously not 'an unsubstantiated rumour'.

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:38 am

I seem to recall something in The Times (London) in February about BA looking at simplfing its shorthaul operations, i.e. disposing of the 737s. Could possibly be that BA is looking at converting some of the remaining options it holds to allow for the replacement of the 34 737s (5 733s, 19 734s and 10 735s), plus the 10 BCal ordered A320s which are fitted with CFM engines (BAs A320 family aircraft are IAE powered). The remaining 757s could be considered too.

Could be BA looking more closely at the A380 - they've admitted their surprise at who's ordered and in what quantities. However, not necessarily the case that A330/A340 would be ordered. BA would never be able to place all those 777s, and they are a young and capable part of the fleet.

Surely more likely that the single manufacturer comment would apply to shorthaul - obvious economies with one fleet "family" at both LGW and LHR, as opposed to the present mix of 737s, 757s, CFM A320s and IAE A319s/A320s and soon to be IAE A321s.
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:42 am

I dont buy the single manufacturer thing either.
I'm sure he'd be wiser to keep the two suppliers, so when he wants more planes he can squeeze them for the best deal - it's how things are done  Smile

It's been mentioned several times recently that BA is interested in cutting down its debts and increasing profitability and efficiency, not spending loads of money on mergers and most likely new aircraft too.

This BA bunch seem to be moving around a lot lately, they were apparantly at SNBA the other day, maybe it's a whirlwind tour of how to spend billions of pounds - buy Aer Lingus and SNBA and replace their entire fleets with brand new airbuses. lol

It could be more A320 family orders, or maybe just a demonstration of the A380, only time will tell.
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:50 am

I doubt you will see BA dropping Boeing. They have been very happy with the 747 and 777. They are probably looking at keeping the longhaul fleet Boeing and shorthaul fleet Airbus. Just my thoughts...
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:24 am

Have no details other than that regarding type of aircraft being looked at, but it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet, so that tends to suggest Airbus' long haul aircraft are the ones in question, due to BA's short haul fleet already being comprised mainly of Airbus.
If, and that is a big if right now, BA wanted to have a single-type fleet, they would most likely begin that process in a few years, not now.

Just been informed today that a group from BA have spent the last few days at Toulouse, including Rod Eddington himself.
BA will be taking delivery of some A321s soon, so is it possible that they were going there to check on them and see what the status is?

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:30 am

If, and that is a big if right now, BA wanted to have a single-type fleet, they would most likely begin that process in a few years, not now.

You could well be right, they might just be researching the idea at the moment with Airbus.  Smile

BA will be taking delivery of some A321s soon, so is it possible that they were going there to check on them and see what the status is?

I would agree, but they've spent several days there, and the key part is that Rod Eddington is among those on the visit. You don't normally get the airline chief going on check up visits. I'm inclined to believe there's something much bigger going on behind closed doors.

This BA bunch seem to be moving around a lot lately, they were apparantly at SNBA the other day, maybe it's a whirlwind tour of how to spend billions of pounds - buy Aer Lingus and SNBA and replace their entire fleets with brand new airbuses.

They do seem to be throwing around a lot of ideas at the moment!

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:31 am

BA wants a single manufacturer fleet, so that tends to suggest Airbus' long haul aircraft are the ones in question, due to BA's short haul fleet already being comprised mainly of Airbus.

Quite an anecdotal assessment, don't ya think?

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:35 am

I feel like I'm in a friggin' Kansas City stockyard

Does anyone care?

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:51 am

"Have no details other than that regarding type of aircraft being looked at, but it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet"

Perhaps, but reality will probably interfere. . . This is the first time I have ever, ever heard this, and goes against everything I've heard from BA's reps.

In all liklihood, they are thinking of replacing the remaining 737's with A32X's. Airbus is also probably giving them a detailed presentation on the A380, just as Boeing has done with the 7E7.

Of course, it's all academic. BA have publically stated their intent for the forseeable future is to reduce their debt. That means no orders, except maybe some A32X option conversion, for the next year or two.

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:23 am

I wouldn't be surprised if BA ordered about dozen of A380-800s. I believe this plane - for now at least - has the best chance of being the only Airbus widebody in BA's fleet. Their 777s are doing fine job, I could see them getting some 777-300ERs and a couple dozen of 747Advanced in the next 10 years to replace their 747-400s. Can't see them buying 7E7s just yet, unless their financial condition improves.
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:00 pm

It the 777s and 747s in BA's fleet are performing well for them it will be hard for A to make a deal to replace them. Another factor A has to overcome is the 7E7. The more unstable the price of oil becomes the better the 7E7 is going to look when compared to A's offering. I doubt if there will be a move to a single supplier for a long, long time.

I would not be surprised to see BA eventually order a few 380, but not a replacements for the 747 - just as a new plane in their fleet. Because BA is a rather conservative airline I believe they will want to see some operational data before buying a very expensive plane with no operational history.

The meeting could have been your basic business dog & pony show with a nice lunch thrown in. A corporate version of a state visit. The factory is a short flight and Rod was probably back in time to face rush hour traffic.

The only question I have is has BA plunked down some refundable cash for production slots on either the 7E7 or the 380?
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:35 pm

God Bless America I hate to see every thread on here get into an A340 versus 777 battle, Europe vs. US thing but here's what the deal is: Why would BA convert to A340s now after they've put so much into 772s and 744s? Seriously, have you guys ever been to Gatwick? It is BA 772 heaven...there are more BA 772s there than I could ever imagine or hope for and it's wonderful. For capacity they might go with the A380 but they will not get rid of their 772s and 744s...ever. Man I hope not...a BA 772 buzzing right over your head is the coolest thing ever.
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:31 pm

If he really is in Toulouse, then it's going to be something to do with the final A319/A320/A321's on order OR bringing in the option for 99 more short haul airbusses, which seems the most likely seeing as LGW will be using all A319's from October 31st.

Can you REALLY see BA going for the A380. Most of those B777's are brand new, as far as i know, they are happy with them, so if BA were to replace the B747-400's (which i can't see happening soon) then surely one of the Long Range B777's would be a better choice. Also the B777's are already flying, the A380 is not, so he would want to invest in aircraft that he's seen are "safe." It probably won't, but as the A380 hasn't flown yet, nobody has a real idea of what it would be like and it could generate a lot of problems.

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:49 pm

"Then again, their 777's will have to placed with someone else. Which airline is big enough to takeover BA's 777's and 744's? How is BA's financial position?"

Theoretically they could swap 777s for A330/340s because its a more flexible aircraft family and a real alternative at least. But for the 744s there is no head-on competitor. A good part of these won´t go unless Boeing offers the 747 Advanced or Airbus a A380 "SP".

But I doubt BA is going all-Airbus. Not even very long-term. Any major airline with the need to operate the whole range of aircraft sizes would be unwise to order from one manufacturer only. And that for several good reasons. The most important: Neither Boeing, nor Airbus have the best product in each class for each airline.


"Most of those B777's are brand new, as far as i know, they are happy with them, so if BA were to replace the B747-400's (which i can't see happening soon) then surely one of the Long Range B777's would be a better choice."

For one BAs 777 are all older than 4 years and of the same age as the newer half of their 744s. And second the Longer Range 777 (the 300ER you´re talking about I guess) isn´t a perfect replacement for 744s if an airline has many trunk routes that fill 744s. BA could replace 1/4 of its older 744s with them, but why? And why now? Even the oldest 744 of BA is young enough to serve a further 10 years. A380s would certainly be more important for growth.

 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:00 pm

I dont think BA will ever go A380, which in a way is sad but. . It would be great if they bought A346 for longer Range flights, let me refrase that hmm expand their long range flights; that would be a big plus for British Travel. . Direct out of LGW and LHR ~ ahhhh Dreams ~
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:15 pm

I'd be surprised if BA don't buy at least some A380's at some future date, for their very high density routes. After all BA are based at LHR, and suffer from slot restrictions there worse than anyone, and there are some routes where the optimum timings are within very narrow windows, eg HKG-LHR, NRT-LHR, JNB-LHR, CPT-LHR, where you have multiple daily arrivals within hours of one another - these routes are what the A380 is aimed at. Plus if their competitors MH, SQ, EK start offering A380 service with abundant space, features, luxuries etc (who knows if they will, but they could), BA has to react.
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:53 pm

The new airbus order has been expected for a long time now.
It is possible the worst kept secret that the reamining 737'2 will be phased out of LGW by Mar 06 at the very latest.

Expect an announcement for 25 or so 319/320's to replace the 737's at LGW anytime now.

For those of you with access to a CRS have a look at LGW flights for MAY / JUN time next year, A/C type? 319!

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:15 pm

It may be about the expected A319/320 order in the first place, but I bet a major reason why Eddington himself went to Toulouse is a "look" at the A380 in advanced stages.
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:20 pm

Why is it that people conclude that when an airline CEO is visiting an aircraft manufacturer, they are there to order planes?

There is also a thing called CRM, or customer relationship management, which works on both sides. I'm in CRM myself for DaimlerChrysler and the big boss often visits it's biggest suppliers to keep them happy. Often this visits is on invitation.

So maybe Rod was just their to have a little chit-chat, looked at the productionfacilities, had a presentation or two, shaked hands, smiled a lot, had some wine and left again, just to improve or maintain the relationship...

Just my 2 cents on this news!

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:20 pm

Could BA compete on equal terms with Qantas, SA and Emirates if they introduced A380s between London and Sydney/Melbourne?

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:31 pm

Neither do I believe that BA goes single-manufacturer, nor do I believe it would be wise to do so!

Even LH won't do that, and a lot of people suspected strongly that they'd go all-airbus!!

It is just not wise to do so, and since BA and LH are 2 of the best-managed airlines worldwide, they won't fall for such a misleaded strategy!!
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:32 pm

BA should be replacing the B737's at the start of the winter season (October 31st), with A319's, although they are going to need at least 25 and as far as i know, LHR's A319's are usually always flying (i.e. barely ever any spares), so perhaps we will see the B737's stick around a bit longer.

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:06 pm

Looking at LON-NCE for next summer, its nothin' but 'bus !

1 BA8137 6 LGW N NCE 1 0655 0955 0 02APR05 29OCT05 319 2:00
2 BA 342 D LHR 1 NCE 1 0805 1100 0 27MAR05 29OCT05 320 1:55
3 BA 346 6 LHR 1 NCE 1 1000 1255 0 02APR05 29OCT05 320 1:55
4 BA8131 D LGW N NCE 1 1040 1340 0 27MAR05 29OCT05 319 2:00
5 BA 344 D LHR 1 NCE 1 1135 1430 0 27MAR05 29OCT05 320 1:55
6 BA 348 D LHR 1 NCE 1 1500 1755 0 27MAR05 29OCT05 320 1:55
7 BD 195 D LHR 1 NCE 2 1655 2000 0 27MAR05 29OCT05 320 2:05
8 BA8135 D LGW N NCE 1 1900 2155 0 27MAR05 29OCT05 319 1:55
9 BA 352 D LHR 1 NCE 1 2025 2320 0 27MAR05 29OCT05 320 1:55

No 757 or 767 at all !
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:11 pm

A small matter of debt, a threatened strike, plummeting morale and much else besides make any order soon unlikely.
There are 15 A320 series options that might be firmed up sooner rather than later.
As to the future, if BA survives in it's present form, I would expect A380 and 7E7 orders, BTW many of BA's 744's are 13-15 years old.
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:19 pm

First rumours said that BAW would try and sell their B744s to CPA and replace them with the 777ER

Now they are predicted to go A380!

You must understand that BAW have more interest in flying more destinations at a higher earning than flying fewer with more passengers...

Their B744s are not always full on all flights, that is why they are not about to invest in the A380, or are they?

I have no clue, personally I don't think BAW's strategy will make the A380 fit in, but again that is their current strategy...

We'll see...

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:58 pm

The A380 is the perfect plane for BA to run out of Heathrow where there is a limited number of slots and traffic going through the airport is expected to double over the 20 years. The best way by far to deal with this growth is with the A380 on high density routes to New York for example, flying in addition to their 777's and 747's.

The A380 isn't in my opinion always a direct replacement for the 747 or 777. People on A.net seem to think the A380 will signal the death of the 747 - I think there will still be demand for a plane of 400-450 where airlines will not have the confidence to sell 555 seats.

Competition between Airbus and Boeing is essential, which is why I don't think we will ever see an all A or B fleet. Look at the advances that are going to be made because of the great competition between the two - the 7E7 is going to force Airbus to improve the A330 and the A380 is forcing Boeing to improve the 747. Which is fantastic, as it all makes flying more affordable to people and the world a smaller and more prosperous place.
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:09 pm

You must understand that BAW have more interest in flying more destinations at a higher earning than flying fewer with more passengers...
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:58 pm

The only explanation of the above that makes sense to me is them ordering several 380s -- so my namesake might come true!

The 744s on the JFK route are frequently very full and I am sure they could transfer these to 380s.

Eddington would not go to Toulouse to sign a deal confirming a few options on 32Xs, surely. And with over 40 777s, I can't see them ordering dozens of 340s/330s.
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:15 pm

And with over 40 777s, I can't see them ordering dozens of 340s/330s

A 340's unlikely indeed.

However 332's are less unlikely.

AF, KLM, CX, EK and many ordered them next to their 777's.

They are smaller & cheaper but do offer serious range & cargo capasity.

& BA's B767's are getting out

so for their Middle East, US East Coast & Africa destinations,

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:52 pm

I would agree, but they've spent several days there, and the key part is that Rod Eddington is among those on the visit. You don't normally get the airline chief going on check up visits. I'm inclined to believe there's something much bigger going on behind closed doors.
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God Bless America I hate to see every thread on here get into an A340 versus 777 battle, Europe vs. US thing but here's what the deal is: Why would BA convert to A340s now after they've put so much into 772s and 744s? Seriously, have you guys ever been to Gatwick? It is BA 772 heaven...there are more BA 772s there than I could ever imagine or hope for and it's wonderful. For capacity they might go with the A380 but they will not get rid of their 772s and 744s...ever. Man I hope not...a BA 772 buzzing right over your head is the coolest thing ever.
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these routes are what the A380 is aimed at. Plus if their competitors MH, SQ, EK start offering A380 service with abundant space, features, luxuries etc (who knows if they will, but they could), BA has to react.
BA should not have any problems with BAA to get slots at LHR. All of the 380 operators can easily put their luxuries on to any plane, and in any event, BA's cabin management is usually quite on top of things.  Big grin

The A380 is the perfect plane for BA to run out of Heathrow where there is a limited number of slots and traffic going through the airport is expected to double over the 20 years. The best way by far to deal with this growth is with the A380 on high density routes to New York for example, flying in addition to their 777's and 747's.
In NY, for example, people like the option of having many different flight times available so that the flight can accommodate their travel needs. With the 380, there would be not as many frequencies, which for some people would mean that they would rather take a flight that is convenient for them rather than to stay loyal to an airline.

However 332's are less unlikely.

AF, KLM, CX, EK

KLM and the 330? Did I miss something?

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:59 pm

Can you REALLY see BA going for the A380. Most of those B777's are brand new, as far as i know, they are happy with them, so if BA were to replace the B747-400's (which i can't see happening soon) then surely one of the Long Range B777's would be a better choice.

If BA buy A380's, they won't be to replace any aircraft, they will be to compete with other airlines flying A380 routes out of LHR. In other words, i can see them going for the A380, how many i don't know, but i definately think we will be seeing at least a couple of A380's in BA's colors. JGPH1A is spot on with his post in regards to this.

They are smaller & cheaper but do offer serious range & cargo capasity.

A key point there, 'cargo capacity'. BA makes serious money with their World Cargo division, so the more cargo space available, the better.

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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:23 pm

AF, KLM, CX, EK
KLM and the 330? Did I miss something?

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kl911
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:54 pm

SafetyDude,

KLM ordered 24 A330-200's, of which 6 are firm orders.
Deliveries for the aircraft are scheduled to begin in April 2005.

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col
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:22 am

I would guess that BA would need more 321, rather than smaller 319's. 321's arriving would replace old 757's, plus 319/320's on trunk routes out of LHR. I also believe 319's are heading to MAN, so that they can compete with the airlines which take MAN serious.

BA may need replacements for the 744 sooner than later, for competition, growth and high time 744. The Asian routes chalk up the hours. 380 slots are getting rather tight, with sales at 139 I believe now. By the time it is in service the order book will be over 150+, so BA may not be able to wait 7 or 8 years for one, so need to be order very soon.

777, I do not believe is going anywhere, and 763 would probably be replaced by 7E7.

Just my own thoughts.
 
f4f3a
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:04 am

BA s needs the 757/767 replacement soon this could be part of that. Possibly a330s. A friend of mine is an fo on the 320 fleet he turned down position on 777 because the feeling is that 330 is the logical progression and that he is better staying where he is.


Also BA will prob order 380 to compete with the likes of vs so maybe they can get a bulk buy purchase of 330/ 380s poss even 340 for the south america runs
 
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:06 am

On a related note, I'd be prepared to bet that BA will "share" QF's A380's, and operate them jointly on the JSA routes to Australia - bypassing the need to buy their own. I know that fully joint ops on JSA routes has been envisaged before.
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SafetyDude
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:10 am

KLM ordered 24 A330-200's, of which 6 are firm orders.
Deliveries for the aircraft are scheduled to begin in April 2005.

Thank you for letting me know. I appreciate it a lot more than a bunch of Google links.  Yeah sure

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BlueShamu330s
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:49 am

The boffs at BA wont ever want Airbus long haul a/c in their fleet because they spend almost more time on the ground than in the air...
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Oh what a bold, baseless, load of clap trap.
Virgin Atlantic A340 Pilot  Laugh out loud

Back to the thread, someone previously mentioned 319s going off to LGW and MAN.
LGW, it is established as FACT.
WRT MAN, loads for BACE have plummeted, and I mean gone through the floor since the 737s were replaced with pencil jets, ATPs, Dash 8s and Avros. 2+3 seating in the Avros would have saved the day, but sardine configs. have alienated the customer base BA had built up steadily over previous years.
I would not be in the least bit surprised if MAN is destined to go with about a dozen 319s in time for summer '05..... that's my gut feeling.

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JeffDCA
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:52 am

The boffs at BA wont ever want Airbus long haul a/c in their fleet

Regarding what F4f3a said, if a BA pilot himself has turned down a 777 job, becuase of speculation within the airline of a long haul Airbus order approaching, i'd tend to believe that the boffs at BA do want Airbus long haul aircraft.

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ConcordeBoy
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RE: Possible New Airbus Order From BA

Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:24 am

if a BA pilot himself has turned down a 777 job, becuase of speculation within the airline of a long haul Airbus order approaching, i'd tend to believe


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