behramjee
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THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:30 pm

According to ATWONLINE...THAI AIRWAYS has confirmed a massive US $ 9.6 billion order for AIRBUS and BOEING planes.

Thai has confirmed the following :

6 Boeing 777-200s (non ER...A series)
6 Airbus A 380s
1 Airbus A 340-500 (3 more on order)
1 Airbus A 340-600 (5 more on order)

http://www.atwonline.com/indexfull.cfm?newsid=4407

and

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2004/7/30/business/8551268&sec=business
 
BartiniMan
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:09 pm

Going by what I currently earn per hour (i am a student so i earn crap all), it would take me:
691,144,708 hours or
28,797,696 days or
553,801 weeks or
78,897 years.
working round-the-clock to be able to order something like that.

I think im gonna cry... Crying

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707lvr
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:13 pm

This seems like quite a sum of money for 14 aircraft.
 
na
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:21 pm

Thai´s strategy is clear:
A380s, 744s and A340s for longhaul, 777s for high-density regional routes.
No surpise.

Well, a little one: that the the 777s are A-models. I thought this first version of the 777 was virtually out of production. No one has ordered it in the last 2 or 3 years as much as I know.
 
sabenapilot
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:08 pm

Whow,

that's another A380 customer this year then, although this one was expected at Farnborough, but hey, we got Ethihad in stead which wasn't too bad, was it?

And another A340-500 sold too, though be it a follow up order.

Strange to see them order the older B777 versions... Anybody knwo why? Seems all those ER, LR, IGW or whatever collection of letters Boeing adds to their latest babies are not the only one's they still produce then.
(I wish Boeing stopped using all those silly letters, it even starts to infect Airbus  Sad )
 
windshear
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:43 pm

I am glad Sabena, that your high emotions didn't go to your head this time, BUT and you know there always is one..."we got"...We?

Who is we?

I don't like to see Airbus and Boeing as us and them, and I think it's time that these forums didn't either...

Boaz...

[Edited 2004-07-30 12:47:01]
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AirframeAS
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:58 pm

I am glad Sabena, that your high emotions didn't go to your head this time, BUT and you know there always is one..."we got"...We?

Who is we?


Its just like watching the conclusion of a MLB Baseball game....for example:

(Fan1): We won! We won!! YAY!!

(Fan2): Yeah, I know...but 'we' didnt win... THEY won, we just watched them win so we didn't win anything.

(Fan1): *looking confused...*


Sheesh! Reality hurts sometimes doens't it?! LOL

As for the topic...$9 billion does sound like too much money for 14 planes. I can think of other uses for $9 billion such as paying off aircraft leases, etc...


[Edited 2004-07-30 13:01:31]
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RCS763AV
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:18 pm

Nice for the A380 line!!!!!!
 
bongo
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:11 pm

How many firm orders has Airbus for the A380 in total today ?
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na
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:20 pm

6 Boeing 777-200s = ca. 1 Billion $
6 Airbus A 380s = ca. 1,5 Billion $
1 Airbus A 340-500 and 1 Airbus A 340-600 = max. ca. 400 Million $

This deal is about ca. 2 Billion US-Dollars + extras, certainly not the massive 9,6 Billion $.
 
col
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:09 am

Deal is $2.3B or 96.4 B Baht (Thai Currency).

I think they will need more 380's going forward, six may not be enough in a couple of years.
 
KL808
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:19 am

The reason for the 777 A version is because they dont need the extra weight of the ER versions.

Its been well known that TG had problems with ETOPS. They are not very pleased with the 777's on long haul routes, therefore they confine them within its limits, or to routes without a longer diversion than 1xx minutes. (not sure what they have).

drew
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Sjoerd
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:18 am

Why don't they order more A333's for regional routes ?
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:32 am

I thought this first version of the 777 was virtually out of production. No one has ordered it in the last 2 or 3 years as much as I know.

Seems all those ER, LR, IGW or whatever collection of letters Boeing adds to their latest babies are not the only one's they still produce then.


Doesnt matter.

All 777s are made on the same line, and thus can be immediately produced whenever necessary.




I wish Boeing stopped using all those silly letters

Those "silly letters" differentiate aircraft based on their commission to serve the three market segments within which the 777 competes (and dominates)
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behramjee
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:32 pm

It would be wiser for TG to order a mixed bunch of B 772IGWs and As because the IGWs can come in handy in peak seasons for extra NONSTOP flights for long haul destinations in EU-Australia etc.

If TG want to become like CX-SQ in the Far East then they have to upgrade their inflight product in all their widebodies (except AB6s-MD11s) by including the following features :

1. TVs in every seat in every aircraft (A333/345/346-B772/773/744)

2. Sleeper business class seats or at least 160 degree recline for A333/B777s. Sleepers are however needed for B 744s/A345s/A346s operated flights. Seat pitch in J class has to be increased from a hopeless 48 inches to at least 60 minimum.

3. First Class seat pitch should be increased or this cabin should be scrapped altogether and TG should concentrate on having a 5 star J class product alongwith the lines of VS-BA-CX-SQ-EK (A345only) etc.
 
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:24 pm

I agree, Behramjee, but I think there's a more fundamental reason for getting a longer haul aircraft. When the 772's time comes and they come up for replacement, who's going to want A models? Indeed, at that time, with 7E7-9s, the ERs and IGWs will be hard enough to dump, but now TG is going to have twelve of these - twelve aircraft doing a job that 330s could do a damn sight better. 777s should be on long haul routes, not short and in a proper configuration, they'll have the same pax numbers (roughly) as the 330. A bad decision, I think.
 
behramjee
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:58 pm

Well like Kuwait Airways who upgraded their B 772IGW engine capability to ER standards...THAI should do the same with some of their "A" series B 772s.

By upgrading their B 772s to ER standards TG too will increase the resale value of their B 777s when they would want to sell/lease them out to other airlines.
 
RoyalOrchid773
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:58 pm

Can B777 A Model fly nonstop from Bangkok to Australia?

According to the local newspaper, THAI said it would buy 6-7 medium-size aircraft, long-haul (which I think they are 777s) to operate the Australian route? So I was wondering, why would TG want to order more 777A instead of the ER version?

Thanks
 
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:10 am

Does anyone know which route or routes (existing or new) will the A345's (the one ordered and the other ones on option) be used for?
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SafetyDude
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:28 am

Seems all those ER, LR, IGW or whatever collection of letters Boeing adds to their latest babies are not the only one's they still produce then.
(I wish Boeing stopped using all those silly letters, it even starts to infect Airbus

Those "silly letters" actually have a purpose, and that is to distinguish models where adding another series number is not necessary. Airbus has done very few model upgrades where "silly letters" would be necessary. At least Boeing's "silly letters" make sense, compared to the A340-300X.  Insane

Thai has said that they would like to begin service to the East Coast, would the 345 work?

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KL808
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:46 am

Reasons for ordering the 777 A version.

1) Due to TG's unreliable/BAD experience with ETOPS they opted for the A version and stick with quads for longer over water mission or himalayas etc...

2.) The 777A version will do its routes within asia where ETOPS would be minimal.

3.) The 777A versions are much Lighter than its ER versions therefore saving Money on landing fees. (And I think this is the Biggest Factor).

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ConcordeBoy
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:56 am

Well like Kuwait Airways who upgraded their B 772IGW engine capability to ER standards...

Um dude, 772IGW and 772ER are the same thing  Laugh out loud

Anyways, all KU did was PIP their GE90s to produce 4000lbs more thrust, and recertified their MTOW.




By upgrading their B 772s to ER standards

There is no way to upgrade a 772A to a 772ER without literally rebuilding the aircraft.




Can B777 A Model fly nonstop from Bangkok to Australia?

Easily.




So I was wondering, why would TG want to order more 777A instead of the ER version?

Because unless you plan on transporting an enormous amount of cargo, an ExtendedRange 777 would be a costly deadweight on such short route dedication.




Thai has said that they would like to begin service to the East Coast, would the 345 work?

TG has considered SFO, LAX, ORD, and NYC nonstop; the most likely candidates being San Francisco and New York. The A345 can do any and all of the above, nonstop from Bangkok
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behramjee
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:46 am

TG has already announced that the new routes for the A 340s are SVO + JFK and ORD nonstop from BKK!!!

JFK and ORD obviously will see A 345 equipment being used whereas SVO god knows...MD 11s???
 
JoFMO
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:37 am

@Behramjee:

what you describe are their near-term plans for their deliveries in 2005. NYC was mentioned 6x and the second destination 3x weekly. But I am not sure if it really ORD, maybe it was SFO or LAX.

But the question is what additionally might come. I hope that they also use some of their next year coming 346 for an daily SFO and the new ordered forth 345 complement ORD for daily.

 
trickijedi
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:19 pm

So does this mean bye bye for the A300's?

Behramjee, did you say non-stop ORD-BKK? Thta's great news!!!
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RE: THAI's $ 9.6 Billion Order Confirmed

Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:46 pm

Can anyone say if Latin American destinations are still in the cards for TG?
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