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Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:45 am

In the thread about B6 and their next city it was mentioned that there are only certain gateways in the United States that can be served non stop from Bermuda. If anyone can help that would be great.

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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:57 am

I don't know which gateways are permitted but I believe that it the regulations are part of the US-UK bilateral (as Bermuda is a self-governing British dependency) so looking within that might yield the answer.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:36 am

From this document..

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:eXysT8gbf9UJ:dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf89/270401_web.pdf+bermuda+us+gateways&hl=en

...we can deduce that the gateways are:


Boston
New York (LGA, EWR, JFK)
Fort Lauderdale
Miami
Detroit
Atlanta
Washington (DCA, BWI)
Philadelphia
Charlotte
Chicago
Orlando


 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:47 am

CO has service to Bermuda from EWR.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:49 am

Note that CLT and MCO are served on an extrabilateral basis by US Airways.

The U.S.-U.K. bilateral does not list either city as a permitted gateway; however, the U.K. permits US Airways to serve BDA from both cities.

It's fair to assume that the U.K. would permit other U.S. flag carriers to serve BDA from other gateways.

A few other things to note:

The bilateral originally specified ACY as a gateway; ACY was replaced by FLL when US Airways wanted to inaugurate FLL-BDA service.

Also, while it's possible, don't assume that U.K. carriers have the same U.S.-Bermuda gateways. (Note, for instance, that U.S. and U.K. carriers have different U.S.-London gateways.)

[Edited 2004-07-30 21:52:09]
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:59 am

AA is starting MIA-BDA service as of March 2005, flights already come up on the Amadeus system. AA will be serving this route non-stop on a B738.
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:44 am

US Airways is the #1 carrier to Bermuda, with 52 weekly flights from 8 destinations.

US Airways offers daily service from Baltimore, Boston, Charlotte, New York, and Washington, twice-daily service from Philadelphia, Saturday service from Orlando, and Wednesday and Saturday service from Fort Lauderdale.
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:15 am

Even though it is hard to believe, RDU does have access to BDA also. There used to be RDU-BDA on AA when RDU was a hub and the slot is still available.
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:40 am

Delta flies 767-300's to BDA from BOS and ATL.

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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:50 am

How times have changed!

In 1974, at the time of the merger of BOAC and BEA into British Airways, BA were operating a daily 747 JFKBDAJFK in addition to the daily VC10/707 LHRBDALHR service!

How times have changed!


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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:51 am

Are their any UK airlines that fly from Bermuda to the US? Seems like a one-sided relationship! Also- US serves Bermuda from LGA on Saturdays- must have customs pre-clearance facility in Bermuda.

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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:56 am

Also- US serves Bermuda from LGA on Saturdays- must have customs pre-clearance facility in Bermuda.

As I said above, US Airways offers daily service LGA-BDA.

BDA is within the LGA (and DCA) perimeter.

BDA indeed has customs pre-clearance.
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:01 am

A330323X, where did you say LGA? I see New York- but not LGA.
I don't think it is daily though- just Satudays. I could be wrong about that though.

 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:04 am

A330323X, where did you say LGA? I see New York- but not LGA.

OK, you're right, I just said New York. Use some common sense, though, and you'd think US would serve BDA from their focus city at LGA, not their outstation at EWR.

I don't think it is daily though- just Satudays.

It's daily.

I could be wrong about that though.

You're wrong.
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:07 am

Even though it is hard to believe, RDU does have access to BDA also. There used to be RDU-BDA on AA when RDU was a hub and the slot is still available.

I'm not 100% positive, but I believe Raleigh's access to Bermuda might have been exchanged for another US-Bermuda gateway, because the only one that is unused is Detroit.
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:57 am

You could be correct, MAH4546. I saw some document (can't tell you what it was, but some A.netter posted it) that showed routes that were not used but still on the book and AA still had the RDU-BDA route on the books. That was as of earlier 2004 though... not sure about now, however.
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:56 am

A330323X,
Kind of an arrogant guy aren't you? For many people, a britsh colony is not an obvious destination from LGA as LGA is 95% domestic. US might actually be the first airline to ever have service to Bermuda from LGA. It has traditionally been from JFK or EWR in the past.

What is the point of the rest of your post? Get a life.

As for BA serving Bermuda from New York, I wonder why that stopped? Seems intriguing that the island wouldn't have its own little airline to keep its hotels full and prices reasonable.

 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:36 am

As a regular to BDA from YYZ, I am always questioning 2 things.

Why BA does not run flights to Toronto or the USA from BDA?

The flight from Toronto seems to be a cash machine for AC. They fly an A320 down and back same day(AC942/AC947). In the past, I have been on 767s and L1011s. The prices of Tickets are always high and with the exception of a few months in the winter, the flights always seem full. It is always cheaper to connect through the US gateways but adding 5 hours of travel time makes the extra cost easier to swallow. Why has no one tried to take a chunk out of AC's service?
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:45 am

BOAC use to have a lot of caribbean service out of JFK - bermuda, the bahamas (nassau - not sure about freeport), jamaica, the west indies .. service was discontinued (i think) as more u.s. airlines received awards from the CAB into the caribbean - and as longer-range aircraft permitted flights from london to the island .. i remember flying a super vc-10 jfk/bda .. that was great! and i remember taking a $125 round-trip on northeast from hartford to bermuda .. miss those yellowbirds!

also traffic to bermuda is -very- seasonal .. peak is late may to end of august when it's warmest .. flights are cut way back during the winter season .. hotels die in the winter there which is part of the reason they charge so much during the peak season ..

[Edited 2004-07-31 22:50:13]
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:48 am

AC also flies YHZ-BDA!
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:34 am

The bermudan government did come to Cayman for a week once to 'learn' how to operate a flag carrier similar to Cayman Airways. Im almost sure Cayman Airways' VERY red bank statements scared them off.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:20 am

As a frequent visitor until the past few years, when it got prohibitive ($$$), I found that the tourist traffic really went to sleep after the Christmas period and stayed that way for the next few month. Over the last few years as more corporations have set up or expanded their shops at BDA, the business traveler, has gradually become a more important component in year round BDA traffic. Also remember, that much revenue is derived from what is "below the floor" on an aircraft bound for BDA in the form of freight and mail and that is less sensitive to seasonal fluctuations. A tour operator did operate Providence to Bermuda service with A320s several years back. The airline I cannot recall. This of course was charter and other cities may have had the same arrangement. Years ago the dominant US carriers I remember there were Eastern and PanAmerican. This web site has some great pictures.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:59 am

The cost of BDA flights has hurt tourism there greatly. A friend who works for the Bermuda Dept of Tourism told me that in the past few years they've been subsidizing hotel nights in order to keep the package prices reasonable. It's a beautiful island, but it can be pricey.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:18 am

Having worked for a tour operator that use to offer BDA, it is a hard market to offer. The hotel rates are set by the Government and hotel association, prices are high for anything you want, no rental cars.
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:10 pm

BA only operates LHR - BDA a few times a week (it might be LGW).

BA doesnt really care for the route and has sole rights on routes starting from the Island.
They only operate it to keep the competition out.

High prices on the island and BA's monopoly make it expensive from Europe so the island suffers because of this.

Bermuda needs to get rid of the BA monopoly and all of a sudden a few more european carriers may discover the island... and prices may fall.

It's called the free market.

Until then it's an Open market for North American carriers to the island without fear of "local" competition.

Personally BDA as a hub from the east coast US with a BDA based airline.... now theres a winning idea, especially with the stop over options....
Lets face it i'd rather connect in BDA than DCA ! if I were heading from North to South ?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy and probably less East Coast traffic in the way
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:00 pm

Didn't BA used to do BDA-PIT or BDA-TPA or something for a while not all that long ago?
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:49 pm

Jasepl:

I have a 1992 BAW timetable, and yes BAW did operate a LGW-BDA-TPA-BDA-LGW route. According to the timetable, it was operated by a DC10.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:12 pm

Thanks Ned! I guess that clears up the questions about BA's authority to fly from BDA to America then... They can. And they did. But they don't any more.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:36 pm

One also has to consider that Bermuda is a very small island and there simply isn't enough space for too many people flying in!

2nd: A reason for BA to fly to BDA is probably the many high yield business travellers. Business Class on LGW - BDA is (to my knowledge) always fairly well booked.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:25 pm

British Airways also operated LGW BDA NAS for a while. The DC-10's were some of the ones acquired with the takeover of B'Cal and were retained until not too many years ago.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:13 pm

way back when (20 years ago?), i took BA from BWI to BDA on an L1011. the flight went on to LHR or LGW. this was before BA offered nonstop service from BWI to London.
 
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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:00 pm

Aviation Letter recently mentioned that USA 3000 will commence weekly EWR-BDA this winter. This is surprising as very few charter carriers fly to BDA.

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RE: Flights Between Bermuda And The US?

Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:59 pm

Some recent pics of BDA...
http://www.pbase.com/turbinedux/bermuda


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