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Varig And The 747

Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:31 pm


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I read here on Airliners.net that Varig was planning on acquiring 4 Boeing 747-400s. But this made me wonder, why did they get rid of their original 747-300s and -400s? If they can use them now why couldn't they back then? Was it due to a lack of demand on the routes that they flew them on? Could they not pay the leases? Was it a combination of all of the above and some other factors?
 
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RE: Varig And The 747

Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:12 pm

i'll try to help you a little bit: VR has been losing money for years, and they may thought that would be better to lease a cheaper aircraft for long-haul flights, like B767 and MD11 (if their lease is really cheaper!).

Nowadays, VR has been receiving some money from the brazilian government, and there has been some gossips about the government to take control of VR in the near future.

I hope that more folks confirm these informations with more accuracy.
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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:35 am

Which c/s looks better on the 744? new or old?

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I think that the old one (pic on the left) is most sticking, but new one is still nice.

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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:44 am

Which c/s looks better on the 744? new or old?
The old colors are very classic, however they were in much need of an update, but the new colors did not seem to bring justice.

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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:38 am

EnoreFilho:
HI! Just a side note. Varig's code is "RG", not "VR".

Horus:
What has AR anything to do here??? But answering; I also agree, the first scheme was the best, and the current one is pretty boring...

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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:48 am

I have to agree, the old colors were the best. But the new ones look sleek and modern though, they just need some more color on the fuselage:


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But what about the Varig 747s?
 
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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:04 am

Is the RG topic hijacked by AR fans?
 
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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:18 am

Maybe couse AR is the only Latin American Airline operating the 747-400... actually I think that there are just a handfull of passenger 747 operators in the whole american continent.. lets think.. Air Canada/ United / Northwest/Aerolineas Argentinas.. and i think thats it right?
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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:40 am

ARGinMIA:

Indeed, you can count the 747 operators in the Americas on one hand: Aerolíneas Argentinas, Air Canada, Northwest, Surinam Airways and United. I don't know the latest on Surinam's sole 743. But that would be yet another tangeant on this thread further deviating from that VARIG's 747s.

The history of RG's 747s is as follows:

PP-VNA B747-2L5B 1981-1993, 1994-1996 (lsd for one year to AR)
PP-VNB B747-2L5B 1981-1996
PP-VNC B747-2L5B 1981-1996
PP-VNW B747-244B 1987-1988 (lsd from SA)

PP-VNH B747-341 1985-2000
PP-VNI B747-341 1985-2000
PP-VOA B747-341 1988-2000
PP-VOB B747-341 1988-2000
PP-VOC B747-341 1988-2000

PP-VPI B747-475 1991-1994
PP-VPG B747-441 1992-1994
PP-VPH B747-441 1993-1994

Some of the -300s were combis, I don't remember which. It's true, the 747s gradually left the fleet as RG began slipping into the red. They had ordered a total of 6 B747-441s, only two of which arrived, and one of which was in service for barely a year. Remember that at the start of the '90s, RG had perhaps the largest and most modern wide-body fleet in Latin America (I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure), comprising B747-200/300s, B767-200ER/300ERs and a large fleet of DC-10s.
As soon as the '90s arrived, RG remained at the forefront of technological developments, acquiring B747-400s and MD-11s soon after their respective launch dates of 1989 and 1990.
But the bubble burst. RG, for all its pretences to be, was not a First World carrier. The thriftless expenditure during the "good times" drained much of RG's capital, and coupled with a slump in profits, prompted a massive but prudent donwsizing in the late '90s which saw off all the 747s and all the 767-200ERs, while post-9/11 several 767-300ERs and MD-11s have left the fleet too.
As any Brazilian can tell you, the carrier is performing badly, and has posted many consecutive years of losses.

And yes, for now, AR's 747-400 LV-ALJ is at this moment the only one in all of Latin America. God knows when AR's 2nd, 3rd and 4th will arrive!

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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:41 am

Sorry to all A.nutters, for some reason I thought the thread was about AR  Nuts

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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:20 am

My favourite AR colours are definitely the "Aerobósta" ones (the one with the "CABJ" badge). How often is it your country's flag carrier paints one of its precious 747s in the colours of your favourite football team? It's an honour!

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Gorgeous! Shame it had to become this:


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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:48 am

How often is it your country's flag carrier paints one of its precious 747s in the colours of your favourite football team?

Thank God that murder only happens in Argentina!!!!  Big thumbs up AR Boca one are such a mess! (but much better than the "blanquito"). Did you watched already the AR 340 in the new colors? I liked it!

Actually, RG is the leader of the region in the special liveries. Both Brazil 500 and Tetracampeao are gorgeous. Too bad the only "special" that LAN has done in the las decade is to erase the "Chile" word from the fuselage


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Varig also weared the new colors in the 747, as you can see.

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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:50 am

Arcano:

Thank God that murder only happens in Argentina!!!! AR Boca one are such a mess! (but much better than the "blanquito"). Did you watched already the AR 340 in the new colors? I liked it!

...which is why I think AR should work more with blue and gold and less with blue and white. In fact, the Boca colours were inspired by the Sewdish ship "VASA" which foundered in Stockholm harbour in the 17th century if I recall. With that particular blue and gold you could devise a very smart colour scheme (a bit more lively than Southern Winds).

I don't know what I think of LV-ZPO (nickname: "ZIPPO") in the new colours. I'm sure from inside it must be lovely to see those marine-blue engines and winglets with the white condors on them. Once again, it's just the fuselage I don't know about. It looks squatter, don't you think?
All a matter of opinion, I guess...

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P.S. Yes, LAN's management should hire some more artists!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:16 pm

You wanna see special liveries:  Big thumbs up


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RE: Varig And The 747

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:23 pm

Back to the topic and not AR...

Given RG's continued and seemingly endless difficult financial position,it would make little sense to add another fleet type,namely the 747,especially if they still plan to take a few 757's alter this year - let's see......

Anyway,back to the 747 topic,whilst they have operated them in the past,it makes no sense to continue to spread the widebody fleet and include another model. It would make far more sense to pick up some additional used MD-11's,763's or 772's.
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RE: Varig And The 747

Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:08 am

The brazilian magazine "Aeromagazine" reports that the planes would be ex-Malaysian Airlines. Nothing confirmed yet.
 
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RE: Varig And The 747

Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:09 am

A important correction about what written above:

1) Brazilian Government is not giving money to RG nor planning to take controle of them in near future.

XV,

The -300 Combis were PP-VNH and PP-VNI. This weekend I did my 2nd B747 simulator section (03 hours and the first section was 05 hours in the previous one) using RG simulator. It is the simulator of PP-VNH.

 
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RE: Varig And The 747

Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:03 am

fyi, VR = TACV Cape Verde
 
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RE: Varig And The 747

Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:52 am

Quick question: What cities did RG's 744s serve?

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RE: Varig And The 747

Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:09 am

I believe that they served GIG-GRU-LAX-HKG and GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT flights if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong, since I'm not exactly the expert on RG's 747s, hence why I started this topic.
 
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RE: Varig And The 747

Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:11 am

RG also flew the 743 & 744 to LHR.
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RE: Varig And The 747

Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:11 am

If I am not mistaken the first route was GIG-GRU-MXP-FCO, the 744s were also used to EZE and GRU-MAO (huge freight market).

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