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Loads On IAH-JFK

Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:40 pm

How are CO loads on IAH-JFK, ive flown the route twice in the last 2 months, and all flights were packed, no standbys on. Although, its only a once daily 735. Would CO increase service, or upgrade equipment? Also DL flew IAH-JFK for a short time a few years ago, will DL ever bring that route back, to enhance service to its "new" JFK hub? Also would JetBlue ever look to houston for service to JFK?

 
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Loads On IAH-JFK

Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:53 pm

A lot of folks are waiting for JetBlue to get their butt down here. If for no other reason, it will lower all the fares....
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:43 am

Anyone have the current number of dailies from Bush to LaGuardia and Liberty, on top of that?
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RE: IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:56 am

I would guess that the flight is more for New Yorkers (who can't/won't travel to EWR) connecting to S/Central American flights in IAH....
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:58 am

Fares on direct service between BUSH and any NYC airport are insanely high. It is a perfect target for Jetblue. I eagerly await their arrival.
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:11 am

Is there any space at IAH for new carriers such as B6? CO has B, C, part of D, and E all taken, leaving all of the other domestic carriers in A. Even if B6 were to move in, I think that they would protect their largest hub very fiercely, as they did when ATA started EWR-SFO.
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:03 am

What about Song, DL said they would expand to southern cities....
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:10 am

A bit off topic, but the same can be said for AA loads DFW-JFK. There are 3-4 roundtrip's daily (on Super 80s), and they're always packed.
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:15 am

''' would guess that the flight is more for New Yorkers (who can't/won't travel to EWR) ''''


As far as I know the distances to both airports isn't such a problem. It's the same as London Gatwick and Heathrow. What do you mean with ' a person who can't travel to EWR'? It's the same to JFK, no?
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:40 am

Cory-If I am not mistaken, TransMeridian only uses A-14/15 (formerly United gates, if I am not mistaken) for a couple of token charters daily to Cancun...
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:11 am

I was out at IAH on Wednesday from around 12:30 PM to around 6:30 PM atop the A/B garage taking pics. Believe me, there is plenty of space in terminal A for a new entrant or two. Gate A-8 was never occupied the entire time I was there and many of the other gates on the Northeast part of the terminal were barely used. The 5 NE gates are used by Southwest (around 5-6 flights a day), Air Canada/AC Jazz (4 dailies) and Transmeridian/charters (anywhere from 1-5 dailies). Five gates for around 10-15 daily flights means their is plenty of room.


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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:01 pm

As far as I know the distances to both airports isn't such a problem. It's the same as London Gatwick and Heathrow. What do you mean with ' a person who can't travel to EWR'? It's the same to JFK, no?

There are many New Yorkers who refuse to fly out of EWR simply for the fact that it is in New Jersey, and fail to comprehend that the airport serves the city and its surrounding metropolitan area. EWR is extremely convenient for most of NYC, and even more than LGA/JFK in many instances.

re:Jet Blue-Is it possible that they may decide to fly to Houston-Hobby, rather than IAH, if they fly to Houston at all? I do think that its a route they'll attempt to try out, as Continental does maintain a strong grasp over it. Whether or not Continental will successfully drive them to the ground is another matter, though. I do think that there's room for both.
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:06 pm

With EWR being the hub for CO, and the fact that EWR if closer to Manhattan than JFK (and also a benfits having a rather easy and short commute), it doesnt make any sense for CO to expand their service to JFK.
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:19 pm

UA also has one of its morning flights (usually the one to San Francisco) leave from A-11 also, and BTW, Air Canada/AC Jazz has 5 dailies, 2 319's to Calgary, and 3 CRJ's to Toronto...the rest of UA's flights use either A-10 or A-12...but yes, there is plenty of room in that concourse for more flights...that said, I'm guessing that gate A-11 will get a few of the new IAD-IAH UAX flights...
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:20 pm

With EWR being the hub for CO, and the fact that EWR if closer to Manhattan than JFK (and also a benfits having a rather easy and short commute), it doesnt make any sense for CO to expand their service to JFK.

I agree that it doesn't make sense to expand at JFK.....However, for the most part, EWR is not easier to get to than JFK from Manhattan. They are about equal. And not to mention that most businessmen in NYC use hired cars, not the AirTrain.

As far as I know the distances to both airports isn't such a problem. It's the same as London Gatwick and Heathrow. What do you mean with ' a person who can't travel to EWR'? It's the same to JFK, no?

Well JFK and EWR are both parts of a HUGE metropolitan area. A person living an hour west of EWR would probably not travel 2 hours to JFK, while a person living out on Long Island probably wouldn't travel the 2 hours to EWR. If you live in between JFK and EWR (in NYC), then sure, either airport is an option.
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:30 pm

Rjpieces-Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. While people in New Jersey are predominantly going to go to Newark, and people in Manhattan are split between the three airports, people on Long Island are, depending on their purpose, split between LGA and JFK. It is nearly impossible to find a flight within LaGuardia's 1500-mile-and-Denver perimeter out of JFK...as far as it not making sense for CO to expand at JFK, it makes no sense that they are even IN JFK with the flights that they have. I mean, a SINGLE ERJ-135 daily from Cleveland, and a SINGLE 737-500 daily from Houston, why even waste money on the outstation? Even more embarrasing is Air Canada, which has a SINGLE flight (if I am not mistaken, on an A-319) to Vancouver out of JFK...the two airlines would probably be better off simply writing the station off...
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:43 pm

Maybe AC doesnt write the station off because they make money with their flight to Vancouver!
They can't serve it from LGA because it's outside the perimeter and they won't serve it from EWR because it is not New York's int'l airport. Plain and simple--only JFK fits that role.
As for CO, I mentioned earlier that when B6 starts the route you will see them have 5+ flights a day to JFK.
But unlike ATA at EWR, B6 has a much larger cult following in New York City than CO and B6 will clean CO's clock!
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:51 pm

Remember, JFK also has lots of int'l non-stops and directs that no other port in the US has. MS to CAI is one that comes to mind. So, that one flight a day is likely to at least partially serve to connect to and from those int'l flights for those people that don't want to do the cab shuffle to EWR or LGA.
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:54 pm

But unlike ATA at EWR, B6 has a much larger cult following in New York City than CO and B6 will clean CO's clock!
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All that happens with JBLU starting to fly to Houston is that CO reduces fares and makes it pointless for JBLU to be there. It is a hub city on both ends for Continental, and despite the comments above, JBLU will feel that there are a lot easier fish to fry that getting into a battle that they will probably not win.

With it being 2 CO hubs, it is too easy for CO to adjust and bend to make life difficult and pointless for JBLU. Secondly, a huge amount of the IAH traffic is transfer traffic which JBLU cannot offer.
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:09 pm

Loook for us to take some A gates here in the near future, also DL is moving to the C concourse, I saw the blue prints and outlines for the gates.........construction will include the addition of 4 RJ gates off the north side of the C concourse.
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:23 am

So anyone know how CO loads are on the IAH-JFK route? ALso why DL pulled out of IAH-JFK? Any other airlines you see serving IAH-JFK nonstop?
 
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:34 am

SHUpirate1:

In addition to Long Island, JFK also sees a good chuck of southern Connecticut.
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RE: Loads On IAH-JFK

Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:46 am

"Fares on direct service between BUSH and any NYC airport are insanely high."

That's not true. I've flown IAH-LGA and IAH-EWR numerous times, and CO has always offered me a pretty good fair to either airport. I've never paid more than $280 for a roundtrip.

If JetBlue decided to serve Houston, they would probably serve Hobby. Smaller airport, less delays, etc. and they wouldn't be competing with WN because they don't fly to New York.