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Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:19 am

Hello all... Smokin cool

I was just wondering what company policies there are considering that?

It's probably not allowed, right?



Cheers and good night,

jstflyin  Smokin cool

[Edited 2004-07-31 23:37:39]
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:31 am

Not allowed, and, in my experience, doesn't happen. Once hitting tarmac, everything can happen, though.
I've smelt fumes upfront departing from way back in the cabin, but never during actual flight....

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:34 am

I believe that AF might allow it.

Could this topic be an example of abuse of smilies?

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:38 am

Depends on the company policy, most American and European carriers don´t allow it, though once I found a half smoked huge cigar in the Captain´s side bin of one of our US registered freighters . Older planes still have ashtrays installed.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:39 am




I have seen it happen, so I was wondering!

I don't think it is a problem..if both pilots are daccord with it!

With todays superlocked Flight Deck doors no smoke should be able to "break" into the pax section  Big grin ...

cheers jstflyin
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:44 am

Some airlines, such as Vietnam Airlines, allow it.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:56 am

I remember seeing a cockpit picture where the flight deck was filled with thick cigarette smoke. Forgot which airline, though. Maybe someone can dig it up.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:26 am

Not in Oz.

Rex doesn't allow a pilot to smoke in uniform in public. All smoking is prohibited on board all public transport vehicles in Australia.

If I owned Rex, then I would even ban eating in the cockpit. It costs us thousands a year in repairs to the Audio Control Panels which is located directly under the cup holder. Another is the GPS controller. Most common faults with both of these units is from spilled drinks or biscuit crumbs.  Angry

Maybe I would allow bottled water, if they asked me real nicely. Big grin

 
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:29 am

AV policy prohibits smoking for passengers and all crew members anywhere on board any company airplane whether on ground or inflight.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:37 am

Alaska Airlines wont hire someone if they use Tabacco products.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:34 am

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but nicotine consumption while at high altitudes can adversly effect ones performance in the air as compared to at ground level. I don't know if this is true or not, I think I read something about it ground school. It might just be unpressurized aircraft, but even in commercial jets the a/c is usually pressurized to 10000ft.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:51 am

I have talked to a pilot that flew the dornier 328. He said that on long taxis or ground holds he has been known to fire up a smoke. If you leave the burger hole open, the pos pressure will force the smoke right out of the a/c, pretty handy for those long ground times.
 
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Smoking

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:34 pm

"Alaska Airlines wont hire someone if they use Tabacco products."


That's pretty harsh if you ask me. What's their reasoning behind that? Could even be considered descrimination.
 
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:43 pm

I would agree that the AS policy of not hiring tobacco users is discriminatory, but unfortunately the courts do not share my opinion...

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:49 pm

Positive rate, I presume their policy is such because of health insurance costs, can anyone confirm/deny? Or do they just 'pride' themselves because of their puff-free staff? I believe there was a recent topic posted by someone who applied for a job at Alaska airlines and was turned down because of their smoking habits. I certainly won't be working for them, not that I would want to work there anyway...lol
 
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:56 pm

Not sure if there is any company policy regarding that for KE (don't have a FOM at home), but I have entered the cockpit on a couple of occasions to the smell of smoke. Could be from either the maintenance guys or previous flight crew.

Know a couple of F/O's who have complained regarding their Captain smoking on a longhaul too, mostly on cargo flights though.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:13 pm

Smoking in the flight deck was widespread on Singapore Airlines but is now supposedly not allowed although no-one takes much notice including quite a few Management Crew.

I don't mind people lighting up at all and would prefer the First Officer to have a smoke if he needs it rather than suffer from any withdrawls during critical phases of flight.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:20 pm

Smoking is the epitome of weakness and ignorance....there is NO health benefit whatsoever to smoking a cigarette. None.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:26 pm

N243NW,

I think that pic may have been removed from the database because it got the photographer who took it into some kind of trouble in another discussion forum.

I do remember the pic though.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:55 pm

Air India & Turkish pilot does smoke in the cockpit but no idea the company allowed or not.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:37 pm

I was flying on MEA from Milan to Beirut last June and some passengers and F/As took turns smoking in the cockpit since it was a "Non-Smoking Flight"

LOL.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:39 pm

I have seen it happen as well here in the states. And Cargo as well ashing in a cup of water in the flight deck. . . At the time it never crossed my mind due to the fact that they were all in the open in doing it so I assumed it must be allowed.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:57 pm

Another carrier that allows smoking is CargoLion (Methinks it doesn't exist anymore). Anyways, I saw a documentary about the life of a freight pilot and the captain on the DC-8 smoked.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:15 pm

after working some years as Ramp Agent:

No Smoking:
Air France, Finnair, Air Dolomiti, Air Baltic,

Smoking ( if allowed or not - pls ask somebody else )
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:11 pm

AF pilots can drink wine in the cockpit as part of their meal. About as far as you can go.
 
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:50 pm

Here in Northern-Europe many countries have very strict laws considering of smoking. Smokers are used to follow these rules as smoking is so restricted generally in these countries not only in the aircraft. I didn't see the crews of SK/AY smoking or found any cigarettes from the aircraft when I was an aircraft cleaner. Smoking seemed to be very common among the crews of Southern-European airlines and some Central-European major airlines as well.

Even flights were non-smoking, it was common to see the whole crew sitting in the cabin during turnaround and smoking. When passengers boarded the smoke was still very well visible. That was very annoying for us, but even more for passengers.

A couple of times airport authorities noticed that crews where smoking on board and they kicked those out during the turnaround as they were violating airport rules.

In our culture smokers respect non-smokers a lot and therefore they follow the rules very well. It is very big mistake here if you broke those rules... therefore, those crews who smoke on board here don't even understand how arrogant and disrespectful their behaviour is in the eyes of Finnish passengers.

What comes to smoking in the cockpit, I haven't ever found evidences of that but heard stories... If the pilots are smoking on board, usually they will do it in the cabin with F/As during turnaround of the aircraft.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:57 pm

I agree with JBird, my mom smokes, terrible, im stopping she says, but that is beside the point, as I said if you ever have any problems from it I will not raise a finger to help you. Um smoking basically screws you up, airlines pay for pilots training and things, they smoke, get sick, cant pass medical exams and bam are then asked to leave after the airline has spent so much cash on training them. Quite simple actually, unless you are exceptionally fit, in which some casses very moderate smoking has then had minor effects, which in turn would still be ok to pass a medical exam.
 
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:58 pm

I've seen the pilots smoke during flight only on 2 carriers:
- Olympic Airways
- MNG Airlines

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:23 pm

I was allowed for about ten minutes in the cockpit when flying back from Mexico, between Madrid and Paris, flying over the southern part of France, in a DC-10 of Aeromexico. Many clouds outside down below the plane and a big cloud of smoke inside the cockpit, but it was 20 years ago.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:13 pm


Smoking in the cockpit depends on the regulations of the airlines.In Turkey we started to adopt some rules about the smoking in accordance with EU and adopting its rules.Now its not allowed to smoke in public places and closed places.

But ofcourse its not easy for people who earned the nickname "smoking like Turks" to change some habits as quickly as posible.I personally havent even tasted what a cigarette tastes like.I hate smokers around me and it disturbs me very much.But there are people working in my airline who smokes very heavily and can not stand without smoking for 10 -12 hours of working.So what we do is allow them smoke quickly during turnarounds when the aircraft is not refueling.I personally urge the FA's to wash hands after smoking since I don't want to be served with that hands.Also use airfreshener in the cabin.

The smoker captains smoke in the cockpit during turnaround,they don't want to be sighted in the cabin.Smoking in the cockpit during the flight is not allowed anymore.Since smoking is not allowed all tranport vehichles of Turkish registration.

Guys; smoking is a very ugly habbit.It doesnt make you look cool butmakes you less attractive.Your hair and clothes smells bad and you just cant imagine how awful is to kiss a smoking person.My advise as an elder brother (if you accept me as one) please don't even taste it,if you are smoking please quit it while its still early.Life is long and beautiful don't shorten it by smoking.Have fun,Best Regards.WING
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:36 pm

I presume their policy is such because of health insurance costs, can anyone confirm/deny?

At AS, yes it has alot to do with cost cutting savings on heath insurance premiums. This has been discussed before in a different thread.

It is not discrimination nor a harsh rule because AS is not government owned. The way AS does this practice is perfectly legal. AS has never been sued for discrimination for this practice. Pretty standard stuff if you ask me. Its just the way AS is, they have had this policy in effect for a quite a longgggg time. Remember, AS can hire whoever they want, its their company.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:37 pm

I recently flew OU Croatia Airlines SPU-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA and several times during the flight it started smelling of cigarette smoke. It was very annoying, especially given the fact that my 2-year-old son has an allergy problem.

On arrival, just as ordered, the captain showed up next to me on the peoplemover. I asked him whether he had smoked during the flight, which he confirmed. I turned my head away from him, and would not talk to him for the rest of the "ride" - what an arrogant thing to do to smoke for the pleasure of one, to the expense of 140.

Apparently it is allowed, and I was unable to find any EU law prohibiting smoking in cockpits when flying to/from the EU.

I have seen arguments advocating the allowing of smoking, so pilots can get their fix to fly "saver". I say that's utter BS. Do surgeons smoke on the job? Other people in important functions?

I also say out-rule the eating by pilots during flights shorter than 6 hours as well. Boys, concentrate on the flying, and time your eating just like other professionals do on their jobs. Enough of that pilot arrogance.
 
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:41 pm

When Jumpseating on CY last year, the Captain and F/O chain smoked all the way from LCA to AMS. They were joined in the cockpit by the cabin crew at regular intervals. I seem to remember that when CY banned smoking for pax, the crew almost went on strike until they were allowed to smoke in one galley, and the cockpit crews seemed to smoke whenever they felt like it.
Also, on Garuda, I was the only passenger in the upper deck, and asked the purser if I could have a smoke. She smiled and said, "not in your seat, but come to the cockpit and smoke with the captain". Cue 4 flight crew and about 4 F/As stuffed into the cockpit, all puffing away on sempoernas!!!
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:04 am

I've been a jumpseat guest in MX's cockpits three or four times. In one of these occasions, the commander did not allow smoking in 'his' cockpit (which I applauded). The rest, the cockpit was a chattery smoke-filled crowded place for long segments of the flight.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:31 am

Seen it on Alitalia, JAT and Tarom...
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:41 am

I remember a particularly laid-back Alitalia flight from Lisbon to Rome back in 1994. I was seated in the front row of economy, and the first class section was empty. For most of the flight, the cockpit door was wide open and the F/O was sitting in first class, smoking (I guess the captain was not a smoker!). Needless to say, no one batted an eyelash when I wandered up to have a look at the flight deck.  Smile
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:53 am

My friend jumpseated on Iran Air. The Captain chainsmoked all the way to the landing.
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:01 am

(I guess the captain was not a smoker!)

Good point.

Same with Kuwait Airways - depends on the captain. Though legally no one is allowed to smoke anywhere on board. But..

If the captain smokes, he lights up (if the F/O doesnt make a fuss about it). If the F/O smokes, then he joins the captain. If the crew smoke, and the captain doesn't mind them in the cockpit, then they join in there for their regular 'whiff'.

If the captain is no smoker, but the F/O is, then tough break to the F/O and the cabin crew on board. Basically all depends on the captain.

(But.. with all this, I'm told.. the captain better make sure corporate HQ dont find up about this otherwise it'll be his badge getting a good 'whiff').  Big thumbs up
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:06 am

Ditto Olympic Airlines....considering 99.9% of Greece smokes it goes without saying that the majority of crews do as well. I recall seeing a picture of a cockpit of one of their A-340s and both the pilot and copilot had their Marlboro packs "out and available..."
 
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:22 am

Hello all...

I was just wondering what company policies there are considering that?

It's probably not allowed, right?


 
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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:14 am

I was just wondering what company policies there are considering that?

I think, in general, its more of civil avation authorities' policies that airline have adopted that - rather than the airlines' policies themselves (their own initiatives).

IMO, airlines have adopted this rule either under pressure from their respective CAA or have adopted it after the CAA has placed rules/laws our-right to force airlines to comply with international standards.

Some airlines, though, have been quicker and adopted a no-smoking before their CAA took initiative on that. But I think, for the most, it was a CAA policy more than airlines'.

(I believe at one point, IATA too, has encouraged this move)

That's why in different countries, some airlines allow crew to smoke onboard during a 90 min turnaround, whereas other airlines wont allow it and crew will have to smoke inside the airport terminal itself (where permitted). I think it's pretty much what that airline's country CAA states legal/illegal.

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:27 am



Thanks guys for all the nice responses...

Thing is, I have experienced a "smoking Captain" (due to cigarettes) more than twice during 2-3 hour flights while riding the jumpseat. I didn't mind..and the F/O pretended not to "see" it. On my last jumpseat ride, the F/A popped into the flight deck shortly after the Cpt had lid his cigarette, she froze and he said "want one ?" - she then closed the door again ...  Smile Smile Smile , it was funny!

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RE: Can Pilots Have A Smoke In The Cockpit?

Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:39 am

I didn't really see anybody mention the extra costs it adds to maintinance. "North Star Over My Shoulder" by Cpt Bob Buck mentions that TWA banned pilots from smoking in the cockpit back in the 1970s if I recall. He mentioned the tar from the cigarettes causing a higher failure rate in gyroscopic instrumetnts and the reduced visibility through the glass.
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