yanksn4
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Cargo Airlines And Alliances

Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:40 pm

Greetings everyone. I was thinking of something tonight and I wanted to know if you guys had the answer to it. My question is that are divisions of alliance airlines (Lufthansa, Korean Air, Asiana, etc.) included in the alliance that airline is apart of? Do some of their cargo planes wear the alliance sticker and so forth or are is it just the passenger part of that airline included in that alliance? Also, can cargo-only airlines join an alliance or provide any valible services to an alliance? For example: United Parcel Service in Star Alliance or Federal Express in Skyteam. (note I just chose those alliances at random) Sorry if this question seems confusing and thank you for taking the time to read and respond to it.

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Leskova
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RE: Cargo Airlines And Alliances

Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:06 pm

As far as I know, the Star Alliance (and I think the same goes for Oneworld and Skyteam) "only" works with the passenger side of the business, and I seriously doubt that an all-cargo-carrier could join: it would be a bit difficult to explain to their frequent (and not so frequent) fliers where the benefit would be for them... (no, I don't think that's the only reason...  Big grin)

There is cooperation between the cargo carriers, but I think this is only "furthered" by the fact that the airlines talk to each other a in more detail if they're together in the same alliance.

And then there's "WOW" - the cargo alliance: http://www.wowtheworld.com

So I'd say it's safe to assume that cargo airlines knocking on the Star Alliance door will be asked to go "next door" to the WOW headquarter...  Big grin

Hope that answers some of the questions.

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Frank
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keno
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RE: Cargo Airlines And Alliances

Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:24 pm

Well, there is SkyTeam Cargo http://www.skyteamcargo.com/

 
DABZF
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RE: Cargo Airlines And Alliances

Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:50 pm

One thing is for sure... cargo airline would never join pax alliance - why would they? Well, on the other hand, even the freighters have jumpseats or 747F's even some real passenger seats on the upperdeck  Big thumbs up just kidding

StarAlliance, OneWorld, SkyTeam etc... are pure pax alliances - nothing to do with cargo! None of the StarAlliance airlines freighter carries the StarAlliance logo (as far as I'm aware) but the SkyTeam Freighters carry the SkyTeamCargo sticker.

SkyTeamCargo is a cargo alliance between the SkyTeam airlines cargo divisions or companies http://www.skyteamcargo.com/. In skyTeamCargo all airlines have the same product names (adopted from Air France Cargo) for their different products. In already mentioned WOW, the four cargo carries have kept their own product names.

Idea of a cargo alliance is more or less like the idea of pax alliances... to optimize route network within the airlines and offer added value to the customers.

In cargo world you don't have anything like FF programs where you can get your points no matter what alliance airline you fly. Though most of the cargo airlines will offer their best customers special prices etc. as a bonus for commitment - also different kind of partnership programs with customers exists. These "bonuses" can be marketed as an alliance or individual airline - same as in pax alliances.

Many of the cargo airlines also have good partners outside in their alliance, sometimes even from the competing alliance! If there is a deal two cargo carriers can make for example to share one freighter in route where one company alone couldn't fill the flight or experienced cargo carrier to take over complete cargo capacity of an airline who isn't putting much efforts to it's cargo operations e.g. Lufthansa Cargo taking over StarAlliance member US Airways belly capacity for cargo http://www.usairways.com/cargo/about/US_&_LH_pressrelease.htm (sorry couldn't get as a link!?)

I also highly doubt that any of the integrators (FedEx, UPS, DHL, TNT) would ever join an alliance, they don't really need and their "courier business" is much different from "cargo business". Then again, Lufthansa Cargo is extensively using DHL's European network and DHL is using LH flights on several international routes. Also KLM Cargo has some kind of co-operation with TNT.

Hope that helps to your question  Smile
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