airliner777
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Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:02 am

Lufthansa Cargo

Flight Number 437 (LH437)
Departure Airport: Chicago (O'Hare), IL
Scheduled Time: 5:35 PM, Aug 02
Actual Time: 6:06 PM, Aug 02

Arrival Airport: DUS
Scheduled Time: 9:15 AM, Aug 03
Actual Time: 9:09 AM, Aug 03 (Est)
Status: In air
Altitude: 37000 feet
Ground Speed: 470 KTS
Equipment: A319

Source: www.flightview.com


Can anyone confirm this?  Nuts
 
Horus
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:07 am

It's there scheduled Privatair A319 flight. The aircraft is configured in Business class only and operate 6x weekly flights on the route. Lufthansa Cargo shows normal passenger flights too, probably for the cargo carried in the belly hold.

Horus

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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:13 am

Is the DaimlerChrysler shuttle between STR and Pontiac-Oakland, Michigan also served by Privatair or is it a Daimler-owned plane not available to non-employees?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:19 am

As Horus wrote in his reply above, it is a flight, operated by Privatair on behalf of Lufthansa. The equipment is indeed an A 319 but it is a LR version in an all Business Class configuration with only 48 seats.

My girlfriend and I flew on the Privatair A 319 from DUS to EWR and from ORD to DUS, it was a unique experience to cross the Atlantic in such a small plane with so few passengers.

Patrick
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:25 am

Patrick,

You both were flow on PrivatAir on their A319 from DUS-EWR? How you did make very good flight from DUS? It is only for the business class on their way. It is very comfortable for their seat.

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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:31 am

Scott,

fortunately both of us are working for an airline, so we could fly on the cheap employee tickets  Big thumbs up.

The regular tickets for this flight are really expensive, I could never afford to be passenger on such a flight without the employee benefits.

Patrick
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:54 am

Is the DaimlerChrysler shuttle between STR and Pontiac-Oakland, Michigan also served by Privatair or is it a Daimler-owned plane not available to non-employees?

The DaimlerChrysler shuttle is a private jet that the company owns. It may be operated by a third party, but it is completely off limits to nonemployees.

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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:10 am

Thanks for the info Gigneil, that's what I suspected.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:06 pm

WHOA! I was about to go crazy here. HAHAHA  Smile

Thank you for the information guys!

Regards,
Adel
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:52 pm

Where the heck does the Lufthansa Cargo comes from??? Mistake in Flightview! There are no cargo carried on this flight!
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Horus
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:19 pm

DABZF, Lufthansa Cargo shows normal passenger flights too, probably for the cargo carried in the belly hold.

Horus


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DABZF
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:27 pm

Horus, There is no cargo carried on this flight at all!
Only luggage in the belly, no cargo!
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:36 pm

DABZF, well if you check their cargo schedule to, for example Cairo, they show their MD-11F freighter flights as well as their normal A340/A330 passenger flights as part of their cargo flights. Besides why couldn't the Privatair A319LR carry cargo? It doesn't have to be big bulky stuff, but small valuable things like jewellery or computer components.

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DABZF
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:15 pm

Yes, I know very well that Lufthansa Cargo schedules include pax flights.
But I also know for a fact that the DUS-ORD-DUS flights do not carry any cargo!

Anyway, it's not a big deal! It's just a mistake/bug in flightview.com - All LH flights seems to show as Lufthansa Cargo!?
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:38 am

I think it's better than flying the Concorde, because its a wider cabin, but it lasts about + or - 7 hours....
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:05 am

How full are the Privatair flights usually?
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:06 am

this issue has been discussed before. LOL
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:17 am

I thought the DaimlerChrysler plane flew between Stuttgart an Detroit. Is it configured like a Privat Air with approximately 48 seats, or more like a business jet with lets say 20 seats? I guess Schrempp flies on it a lot.  Smile
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Sabena332
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:43 am

I think it's better than flying the Concorde, because its a wider cabin, but it lasts about + or - 7 hours....

To be honest, I had prefer to fly on the Concorde because I never had the chance to fly on it  Big grin. To the topic, both flights (DUS-EWR and ORD-DUS) were very comfortable and I enjoyed them, however I prefer to fly such long flights on a bigger plane in Business Class instead in such a business jet, don't ask me why.

How full are the Privatair flights usually?

I don't know how the flights are usually booked, but when my girlfriend and I flew, we had 23 passengers (including us) on the DUS-EWR flight (it was on a Saturday, so less business travelers), and 35 passengers (including us) on the ORD-DUS flight (it was on a Tuesday).

Patrick
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:51 am

Patrick,

It is very few passengers are flying on their PrivatAir from DUS-EWR flight and you will make increased with their passengers into the coach class on LH. What are you think need to make more people want goes on PrivatAir of A319. Is that possible for good example need to make more people on bigger jet.

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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:23 am

can anyone explain to me why these flights operate from DUS rather than MUC / FRA. Whilst I'm sure that MUC / FRA have much higher F / J capacities on regular mainline flights than DUS it is interesting that LH doesn't think it is worth doing Business class only flights. I guess that if they did it would mean that F / J class passengers would desert the mainline flights leaving all those 744 and A346s going out with noone up front. Does LH not operate transatlantic direct from DUS other than these flights?
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:41 am

The whole idea behind the original DUS flight (DUS-EWR) was that LH liked the premium loads they were getting, but not the loads in YC. Therefore, the A342 was canned on the DUS-EWR route, and the 737BJ was put in its place.

United also moved their DUS flight from ORD to IAD and then all together cancelled it, leaving LH the only DUS trans-atlantic flight.

ORD-DUS was a smart move in part to tie in with United's hub there, and there actually is a MUC-EWR flight, operated with the BBJ (the A319LR's have since "taken over" the DUS operations). MUC experiences high loads for LH on mainline flights, both in front and in back, and yet could not justify another widebody flight to EWR which would only be filled with premium customers (hence again the original DUS-EWR effect, now this time with another flight from MUC).

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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:08 pm

Another reason is that Dusseldorf is in the centre of one of the wealthiest business and industrial area of Germany including the so called mittelstand companies. This means these people can avoid Frankfurt, have a quick trip thru DUS airport, and get in the air quicker.

Apparently, though, LH are having trouble persuading some pax that a smaller aircraft is OK to go transatlantic.

Also I doubt there is much freight on that machine, it's gotta be packed with auxiliary fuel tanks.

Interesting to see how the Swiss version fills up when it launches.

Anders
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:19 pm

ANA--

You seem to know good facts about German demographics! Just curious as to Stuttgart and its surrounding region. DL operates the only trans-Atlantic flight from STR and seems to be doing well. What is the passenger mix like, or what is the area like business wise?

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fraT
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:35 pm

The Area around DUS and Cologne is the most populated area in Germany with quite some industry and business. But they also have the highest unemployment rate in the former West Germany.
There is more demand for intercontinental flights in the areas around FRa, MUC and also STR.
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:53 pm

Fly777 - Stuttgart is interesting cos it also has industry in the area - cars, metal manufacturers etc stretching towards Munich but it is 100 miles away from Frankfurt. But if you end up in Atlanta you'd have to interline there, so depending on where you want to go you may be better going via Frankfurt after all. Of course, for NYC, you could leave Stuttgart, drive 100 miles west, instead of north, and get the Privat Air flight.

FraT - Sadly unemployment is high round there, but a lot is in the younger and blue collar end of the market (although not exclusively of course), and they don't travel bizz class anyway. Don't forget all the big boys in the area, like Vodafone, still have plenty of employees who need to catch those bizz class flights.

Anders
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:24 pm

ANA,

Vodafone is a good example. When it used to be Mannesmann there was a lot more travel as they were independent. Now it's a lot less as a lot of things are handled in the headquarter in Britain. So there's probably a lot more travel between DUS and Great Britain (don't know where the headquarter is) but a lot less intercontinental.
Daimler Chrysler is an example for the other way round. After Daimler Benz "merged" with Chrysler, they have a lot of people flying between STR and the US (mainly DTW). Besides their own A/C they also use NW (FRa-DTW) and DL (STR-ATL) a lot.
 
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RE: Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS

Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:28 pm

"can anyone explain to me why these flights operate from DUS rather than MUC / FRA"??

MUC already has a route to the US and there are rumors that FRA is going to have one soon too.

What I heard about the original DUS-route is that it was once wanted by the upper-management of LH. They just gave it a try and it worked out more than fine.

Actually I just realised that airliners solved the FRA-virus!!! (not AB/)R( FRA-Rhein-Main-whatever anymore)  Big thumbs up great job, finally...

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