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Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:30 am

I thought the rest of the world might be interested in this from this morning's New Zealand business news.

The NZ company Infratil owns 100% of PWK and held its AGM yesterday. This was reported about PWK:

"However the news was not all sweet for shareholders - earnings before interest, depreciation and write offs at Glasgow, Prestwick fell to NZ$2.05m from NZ$4.04m. Freight volumes fell by 21% in the first quarter despite passenger numbers rising by 21%.

Infratil director Lloyd Morrison gave a frank description of Prestwick as looking a 'shambles' and said it needed some 'serious money' spent on retail and other facilities for passengers.

Infratil was 'less than happy' with PWK's performance. "We are working very hard to do something about this."

Freight volumes had fallen by 5% a year since Infratil bought its first stake in 2001. It took 100% this year and 'is now in a position to be decisive'."
 
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:06 pm

I would love to see Prestwick install some jetways, and how about some US service! To close to GLA I know but airlines like ATA could give it a try.
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:52 pm

Last time I was there it looked a dump as well, so just yiour typical run of the mill Ryanairport  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:34 pm

Maybe this New Zealand company will sell the airport to Ryanair and then GKirk's statement will be true.
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:37 pm

GLAGAZ, or they could sell it to BAA and they can turn it into a shopping centre  Wink/being sarcastic  Laugh out loud
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:40 pm

The FedEx 'scandal' a few years ago significantly effected the amount of cargo the airport handled.

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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:59 pm

How long before Ryanair issues a statement saying that it isn't going to pay increased charges to tart up PIK?
 
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:02 pm

PIK is a dump, I visited the airport a few weeks ago.


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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:40 am

Having been into PWK a couple of times, I agree it is kind of seedy there. I feel the amount of traffic generated there may not support a shopping centre atmosphere, but maybe if international flights from the US could be instigated, there is potential.

And what is it with this PWK separate Belfast departures waiting area? Is it set up with metal and bomb sniffing detectors or something?
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:51 am

Gee whiz, an airport whose raison d'etre disappeared when GLA/EDI added transatantic flights, and in a chronically poor corner of Europe to boot. Surprize. Surprize.  Insane
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:12 pm

"and in a chronically poor corner of Europe to boot".

What are you on about?
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:28 pm

The first part of your statement is spot on YYZ, the second part is incorect, ignorant and offensive.

You really ought to travel a little further before posting drivel.

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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:02 pm

"And what is it with this PWK separate Belfast departures waiting area? Is it set up with metal and bomb sniffing detectors or something?"

All airports that operate flights to N.I. have seperate areas for departures. They used to have alot more security, but over the last few years and with the decline in terrorism in N.I. then the some of the extra security measures have been dropped although the security services still "keep an eye" on the routes.

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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:06 pm

Does LHR have a seperate departure area for NI flights ? I don't remember seeing one (but I've never been to NI, only DUB, so I could have missed it).
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:09 pm

"Does LHR have a seperate departure area for NI flights ?"

When I used to work in T1 for Bmi, it was gates 8-12 at the far end of the domestic pier. I think that they have had a shuffle around now though since they did that part of the terminal up, not sure what the new gates are now tho.

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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:13 pm

OIC - I've not been down that end of the BD pier. Did BA have a seperate departure area for BFS flights ? All the Shuttle routes (MAN/EDI/GLA/BFS) I thought used to go from the sort of square gate area at the terminal end of domestic departures, but I remember having to schlepp to the newer domestic/Rep of Ireland airconditioning duct to fly to MAN, so I could be confused (very likely !).
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:23 pm

In T1, gates 74-78 are domestic gates, and gates 82-90 are for ROI flights. Gate 79/80 can be used as either. It is gate 80 when used for ROI and gate 79 when used for domestic.

BA used to operate out of gate 9 to BHD and BD used to operate out of gate 10 to BFS, with Manx using gate 12 for IOM but that flight also had to use the extra "facilities" like the other NI flights as alot of the "nasty people" would travel via the IOM.

Not sure what the current set up is now that BD are the only airline to NI and Manx now go from LGW and the terminal has since been re-developed.

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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:35 pm

If it wasn't for Ryanair the airport would be no more. No other airline has an interest in setting up passenger services from there, they should just knock the airport down and concrete it over.

Glasgow does not have enough of a population to have two airports and Glasgow International should be developed to handle the capacity from Prestwick too.

When you enter the airport it is like going back in time to the 1960's, and barely looks like a penny has been spent on it since then.

The airport likes to boast about it's railway service. But when I travelled there I was sat on the unstaffed station platform for 50mins waiting for a train to Glasgow and then was an all station stopping service which took a further 40mins.
 
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:10 pm

GilesDavies

The only way PIK will be demolished is if Ryanair leave. But now that I'm writing about it, even if FR did go the airport would remain as the cargo aircraft wouldn't be able to land at GLA or EDI due to parking restrictions for aircraft of 747 size. FR are a constant thorn in GLA's side, but in terms of Scottish aviation they are very good as they have opened up Europe to Scotland with crazy prices to nice places (albeit some airports are in the middle of nowhere).

But with GSM expanding rapidly at GLA there is hope that one day the old services will return such as CDG, FRA and BRU.

Maybe PIK is a shambles but it still functions, and as long as it does that neither FR or the pax will be too bothered.
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RE: Prestwick 'a Shambles' Says Owner

Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:22 pm

I would doubt that FR would want to pay for upgrades to be done at PIK (through possibly higher landing charges). So long as planes can land and passengers can get off and on, I think FR would be happy.

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