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Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:11 pm

CALGARY (Dow Jones)--WestJet Airlines Ltd.'s (WJA.T) board has approved the
purchase of six Boeing 737-600 series aircraft, three to be delivered in 2005
and three to be delivered in 2006.
In a press release, the Canadian regional airline said it has also entered
into an agreement with Boeing Co. (BA) to convert the purchase rights with
respect to 12 additional next-generation aircraft to options for delivery in
2006.
It said the purchase of the six 737-600 series aircraft is subject to
approval for financing from the Export-Import Bank of the U.S. in the same
manner as past deliveries.
At the end of 2005, WestJet will have 66 aircraft in its fleet, consisting of
51 next-generation 737 aircraft and 15 737-200 series aircraft.

Good to see more 736 being sold and purchase right conversions. Have these already been announced or any chance that they're UFO on Boeings website as there is a UFO for 3 736 & 12 73G

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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:20 pm

Congratulations West Jet and Boeing and it is great to finally see a North American carrier order the 600, maybe I will finally get to see one in person.
 
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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:24 pm

Can you put winglets on a -600 I wonder?

Also, I wonder if this is the end of speculation on Westjets possible Emb-190 interest.

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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:45 pm

Am I reading this correctly, 737-600's. Wow, when was the last order for one of those placed? They could probably ask SAS for theirs.

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Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:25 pm

Nice to see WS expanding...but I find the -600 to be a less than ideal aircraft for them to order. For smaller markets would it not make more sense for them to follow B6 and order the Embraer 17x/19x or the CRJ 700/900? The operating costs of the -600 and -700 are almost identical so unless Boeing gave them a much better deal than the -700s, I don't see how this makes sense.

The only real substantial cost saving is that if they have a pax configuration of 120 or less, WS can roster 3 f/a instead of 4. But is it really worth it just for that?

And one question regarding the 737-600...Boeing specs show it has the same fuel capacity as the -700 yet has a lesser range. How is this possible?
 
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Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:32 pm

As739x - absolutely right. Why to order them if SAS would be happy to get rid of some???
 
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Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:57 pm

Congratulations West Jet and Boeing and it is great to finally see a North American carrier order the 600, maybe I will finally get to see one in person.
I was quite shocked when I saw -600. Perhaps I will have to fly up to Canada one day for the fun of it.  Wink/being sarcastic

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Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:28 am

I flew SAS' Boeing 737-600 just a few days ago (trip report coming someday), and asked the crew about how SAS like it. Apparently they are quite pleased with them, they have 31-35 of them, using them mostly on services to/from Norwegian destinations.

It is slightly heavy, but my, you should feel the thrust on those CFM56-7s during take-off, cool! They fly really well, and 3 FAs are enough to give up to 123 pax great service without stressing and running down long aisles.

Thumbs up for the 736! I think Westjet will be pleased with them too.
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:43 am

Nice to see WS expanding...but I find the -600 to be a less than ideal aircraft for them to order. For smaller markets would it not make more sense for them to follow B6 and order the Embraer 17x/19x or the CRJ 700/900? The operating costs of the -600 and -700 are almost identical so unless Boeing gave them a much better deal than the -700s, I don't see how this makes sense.

Aside from fleet commonality - allowing the same flight crews, maintenance people and many of the same parts between the -600s, -700s and -800s in WS' fleet by next year - the other benefit is that, with WestJet's seating configuration, the -600 will be a roughly 100-ish seat aircraft - ideal for the smaller markets WS serves. Currently, the -200s fly with a seating config of 125, if I recall; their -700s have increased seat pitch from the -200s, though, and seat 136... despite being a larger airplane.
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:20 am

Does anyone operate all four 737NG variants?
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:21 am

"The only real substantial cost saving is that if they have a pax configuration of 120 or less, WS can roster 3 f/a instead of 4."

To quote WestJet's press release: "The 737-600 series aircraft will have a seating capacity of 118, as compared to the 125 seat capacity of the 200 series aircraft."

That may well have been a consideration at WestJet; an aircraft like the Embraer 190 would also require three flight attendants for fewer seats. My opinion about the 190 vis a vis jetBlue's order is that it is largely aimed at reducing crew costs versus a hypothetical A318 at jetBlue. Pilot salaries on the 190 will be dramatically lower than those on the A320. Lower fuel burn pales in comparison to the labor savings.
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:17 am

Well 2005 should be an interesting year for Westjet with the arrivals of the 737-600 and 737-800.
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:53 am

I question the logic of this. Clearly, WS is moving to an all-NG fleet which, while operationally efficient, will have steep monthly lease rates. The poor sales of the 736 suggest is it not an efficient money maker on its own.

I argue that a mixed fleet of newer & older aircraft is the best mix. I think a better decision would have been to buy a uniform block of used 733 or 735.

Although, it seems the bulk of their fleet will remain with the 73G with the 736/738 playing smaller specialty roles.



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Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:13 am

I agree with Neil. I think costs will be way to much and they will have way to many 737's.
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:21 am

My reacation was also wow, when I read 737-600. When I read the headline I was thinking they might have order more 737-700s. I'ts good to see WestJet buy the 737-600. They know it has a purpose in their fleet and future plans.

Good to see the 737-600 get some attention.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:44 am

They fly really well, and 3 FAs are enough to give up to 123 pax great service without stressing and running down long aisles.

In Canada the current requirement is for one f/a per 40 seats, but there is pressure to raise it up to 50. But unless that happens, it would only make sense to operate the 736 with less than 120 pax.
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:09 am

Neil you beat me to it. I would also question the economics of this order. 100 seats flying around at or around the same cost of the 73G just doesnt add up, especially when the other two players are going to be operating in and around the 87-108 seat range with airplanes that will be/are a fraction of the cost to purchase and operate, even if you factor in the savings in commonality I dont see how 6 -600's will be a good idea economically, even if the fleet will eventually grow. Older 737's I dont think are the answer either, while their purchase/lease costs are lower they are not considered common type ratings in Canada, and they do not have common engines, so if you are going to operate a different type and want in and around 100 seats then you are better off with an RJ product, which would offer lower operating economics when spread accross the 100 seats.

Just my two cents...Looking forward to seeing the little 737's though ehhehe
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:22 am

Older 737's I dont think are the answer either, while their purchase/lease costs are lower they are not considered common type ratings in Canada, and they do not have common engines, so if you are going to operate a different type and want in and around 100 seats then you are better off with an RJ product, which would offer lower operating economics when spread accross the 100 seats.

True, but WS already operates older 737's, so replacing them with newer older 737's (such as the 733/735) does not add complexity. Indeed, the 735 has more commonality with the 73G fleet due to its CFM engines.

Anyway, Canada's 2 large LCC's are taking extremely opposite fleet planning directions: WS all new, SG all used. I think the SG fleet is more appropriate for this low yield market.




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Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:33 am

Interesting move by Westjet, while the 736 has not been a popular member of the 737NG series, it is a very good aircraft for long thin routes and could work very well on canadian transcon services or longer thin routes from the US to Canada (say Las Vegas to Montreal or Orlando to Vancouver).

While the economics of the 736 may not be as good as other members of the 737NG family, the 736 is still a very effecient aircraft.....it has not sold well mainly because most airlines prefer routing passengers via hubs instead of operating long-thin routes. The 736 is a good aircraft, it simply has not found its market. If Westjet uses their new 736s to open long-haul routes within and to Canada which would allow passengers to avoid connections and to bypass Toronto, they could be very successful.
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:48 am

True, but WS already operates older 737's, so replacing them with newer older 737's (such as the 733/735) does not add complexity. Indeed, the 735 has more commonality with the 73G fleet due to its CFM engines

Sure it does, unfortunatly Transport does not recognize commonality like they do at the FAA, The CFM's on the 733/4/5 are not the same as the ones on the 73G's. Parts are not interchangable in most cases, its like Transat using RB211 parts from the L10, on A330 RB211's.

And the classics have very little in common with the other two generations, though conversion courses would be lower then they would be for a newish RJ I dont think it would make a diff because the costs would still be higher in relation to the number of seats being offered, especially to the destinations that they will be using them to.

BUt we are pretty much on the same page Neil, I'd like to hear what some of the WJ's think... I think the MD/FK option is a better way to go for this market too, though there are some benefits to going brand new too...I'd also like to hear what the WJ'ers think about their recent drop in profits, and sharp stock drop off today. Those profit sharing deals are slowly going to turn into loss sharing, and that spells unions IMHO.
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:57 am

A couple of points...

1) I wonder what kind of deal they are getting from the Ex-Im Bank on these aircraft... My guess is that there is both good terms from Boeing and Ex-Im.

From the Ex-Im web site http://www.exim.gov:

"Ex-Im Bank does not compete with private sector lenders but provides export financing products that fill gaps in trade financing. We assume credit and country risks that the private sector is unable or unwilling to accept. We also help to level the playing field for U.S. exporters by matching the financing that other governments provide to their exporters.". I suspect this last line (along with WS's decent finances) has lowered the finance costs of these aircraft.

2) I suspect that the fleet size of 190s would have been too small for WS to manage. A new aircraft would bring in a new spare part inventory, maintenance employee training , different pilot group, simulators, vendor relationships etc., whereas the -600 does not (mostly) have these issues.
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:30 am

I don't believe the 600 has ever had winglets installed, however since it is the same wing as the 700 then I don't see any reason why not. However I doubt they would be worth the investment since the aircraft would likely only fly shorter routes so they wouldn't be as effective.

On the conference call this morning the topic was discussed to some length and one of the main reasons this aircraft will be much more suited, beyond the fleet commonality is that charges such as landing fees in Canada are charged based on aircraft weight. Since the 600 has a much lower max take-off weight than the 700 it does cost quite a bit less to operate, and also since it will only have 118 seats, will only require 3 F/As.

"Clive Beddoe, WestJet's President and CEO, said today, "Today's
order of 600-series Boeing aircraft represents the culmination of a
significant study which determined the most appropriate aircraft to
replace our 200-series aircraft. The mix of aircraft that will be in our
fleet commencing in 2005, including the 600, 700 and 800 Next Generation
models will provide WestJet with the flexibility to meet the needs of a
variety of markets while providing the cost efficiencies of operating
one consistent aircraft model that has common engines, flight decks,
spare parts and training."

The other topic which came up on the call was wheather the airline would be looking at the EMB aircraft any further, and it was revealed that not in the near future, however they have not ruled it out as a future possibilty for smaller airports.

If you wish to hear the conference call...

"A recording of the conference call will be archived on the Internet for
90 days following the call in the Investor Relations section of
www.westjet.com. A recording of the call can also be accessed by calling
1-800-558-5253 (quote reservation number 21202598) until August 10,
2004."
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:36 am

Slawko what sharp drop in price are you reffering to, because the stock closed up 25 cents today @ $13.55 CDN. It did hit a low of $12.50 this morning, however this was before the Q2 results had a chance to soak in. Obviously investors still have confidence in our stock.

Also you have no idea how profit sharing, or our stock purchase plans work obviously, because employees have never been asked to absorb losses. Nor has the company posted a loss, this is still our 30th consecutive quarter of profitability. Unions are far from wanted, they have made many attempts to get into this company and they are not wanted.
 
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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:38 am

I don't believe the 600 has ever had winglets installed, however since it is the same wing as the 700 then I don't see any reason why not.

A 600 with winglets would still need separate certification due to the slightly different airframe/wing parameters vs the baseline 736 (sans winglets) and the wingletted 73G.


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Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:17 am

I don't believe it would require a separate certification, as much as a supplemental type certificate. The aircraft is still a 737-600, just with winglets installed. Anyhow, as of this time WestJet has not specified wheather winglets will be installed or not, but I'd be quite surprised if they were.
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:43 am

SAS is also using the -600s between ARN and LHR. Flew on them a few weeks ago -- nice airplane.
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:26 am

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Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:14 am

Ok I'll bite, What do you mean?
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:15 pm

I know what he means! Congrats Rik!
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:40 pm

Can someone photoshop a Westjet -600 for us (maybe with and without winglets, if I can be greedy ) ?  Big grin
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Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:33 pm

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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:44 pm

Is this order in addition to the 7 aircraft that Westjet has on the current Boeing order page?

Besides that I notice the NZ order nor the other 7E7 orders or the Thai order of 6 T7's has been posted yet......
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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:05 am

This is a new order seperate to the 7 already posted.

Air NZ is having it's shareholder meeting on August 5th for approval to purchase 777 & 7e7. NZ Govt has 82% Equity and id in favour of the purchase so it will be booked once NZ signs with Boeing.

TG still need to finalise contract for 777

Boeing only only posts or identifies orders when their customers have announced them. Of note there is an Unidentified order for 3 B736 listed, who? I don't know.
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:12 am

It woudn't be surprising if WestJet ordered another half-dozen of 736 in 2 or 3 years if the aircraft meet expectation.

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Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:36 pm

Been on vacation, here's my two cents (my apologies if I missed any questions):

As I understand it, we were able to shave 2000 LBS off the max takoff weight of the 737-600 (don't ask me how, I have no idea). Since the max. takeoff weight is going to be lower (which means lower landing fees), the 737-600 is a logical choice. While we will have the -200's around until at least 2007, we will have a common fleet with a true "one-type" (NG) aircraft (-600/-700/-800).

737-600 = 118 seats + LiveTV
737-700 = 136 seats + LiveTV + Winglets
737-800 = 160 or 163 seats (don't remember) + LiveTV + Winglets(?)

As mentioned, the Embraer aircraft are not completely out of the question, but they are not going to be considered the immediate future. Perhaps once all of our -200's are retired they may be considered, but I'm of the opinion markets suited for a 100 seat aircraft are markets which we don't want/need to serve. (remember: "all things to all people" doesn't always work)

I'm glad we chose the 737-600 because with fuel prices as high as they are, an older version - as Neil suggested - won't be as economical as a newer, NG aircraft. Our -700's have been a great improvement in reliability over our old -200's, so I'm all for adding "new" aircraft. If we're going to boast Canada's best OTP airline, we sure as hell better keep it that way.

Slawko, I expected our Q2 profits to be half of what they were last year. Am I disappointed? Sure, but we made money and given all of the negativity surrounding our airline in the past months our announcement comes as good news, not bad. Looking into the future, Q3 should be a good quarter, while not as great as it was last year ($32M profit??) I expect it to be around $25M. Q3 should paint a better picture as to how we are performing as a company. Our winter ops should be strong with capacity being shifted to transborder sun destinations and charter programs, so all of our eggs aren't in one (domestic) basket, so to speak.

As for our share price, I'll take it. We purchase shares on a month-to-month basis (shares are purchased monthly based on the average share price of that month) so it's not like all of my shares are being bought at $20.
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:56 pm

We also have to remember that 737's are well proven in the cold, just ask AS, while the EMB170/190 has not seen the test of 30 below Canadian winters. I think that also, they feel that the 736 will be an improvement over the 732 anyway, so take them at a lower cost than the 73G and keep them on the thinner routes.
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:18 pm

We also have to remember that 737's are well proven in the cold, just ask AS, while the EMB170/190 has not seen the test of 30 below Canadian winters. I think that also, they feel that the 736 will be an improvement over the 732 anyway, so take them at a lower cost than the 73G and keep them on the thinner routes

That is right, we don't know if we will be able to build an igloo big enough to fit an EMB170 for Maint checks.
 
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:27 pm

I wonder what smaller markets they will seve with it perhaps Whitehorse or Yellowknife?
 
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:35 pm

Dash8King --I wonder what smaller markets they will seve with it perhaps Whitehorse or Yellowknife?

I think that'd work, couple or so times weekly anyway. However maybe they'll go for YQB service first, like perhaps YQB-YYZ for instance. Or when they put them into the air for the very first time, try them out on YYC-YEG and YUL-YYZ on a few off-peak hour flights a few times, and so ease them into their overall fleet ops slowly but surely.
 
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:19 pm

Thanks Eh, you and I dont agree all the time, but at least you generally provide a worthwhile post.

ANd witht he -800's I think you guys are putting 164 seats...because according to clive 160 seats is too much for an LCC in Canada.....hehehehehe  Big grin
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Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:54 pm

160 seat may be too much for YYZ-YUL, however it's great for YYZ-YVR and other such long haul, high demand routes, and even greater for charter flights.
 
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:59 am

Westjet said the 738's were ordered in part for charter work. I guess they will be used heavily on sun charters from YYZ/YYC/YVR and some connecting flights in between.

However maybe they'll go for YQB service first, like perhaps YQB-YYZ for instance.

Given that SG just boosted YYZ-YQB capacty by 25% by adding just a single daily F100, I can't see WS going into that market.


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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:27 am

while the EMB170/190 has not seen the test of 30 below Canadian winters.

You may be surprised to learn that they already have. All airliners go through cold weather testing and Embraer sent the E170 up to Canada for cold soaking and operational trials. Furthermore, 30 below is a common temperature at flight altitudes so cold weather is really not an issue for today's airliners. After all, the manufacturers basically just put the "thing" together -- the powerplant and systems all come from the same group of vendors that have thoroughly tested their products even before the aircraft manufacturers touch them.
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:52 am

I think I read that the 738s were ordered to run the YYC-YYZ, YVR-YYZ, YYC-YUL etc, routes. That would then free up the 700s to run the charter flights, since they have better range.
 
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:01 am

The -800's will operate both domestic long-haul and charter flights. There are no "dedicated" aircraft for charter operations. What would probably happen is an -800 would fly transcon (YVR-YYZ-YVR, for example) and then operate a charter flight the next day, and repeat.

I wonder if our -600's would be available for charters? I can't remember if that question was answered during the conference call or not. Clive mentioned that we don't operate any -200's out east. With our -600's, we could potentially launch smaller markets or increase frequency or reduce capacity (or all of the above) out east. They could also operate both east and west, with the western triangle the first to get service.

Regardless of where they go, I'm quite satisfied with how our fleet is going to look come 2006.
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:59 am

Slawko, YYz717, and Voodoo...

I have been involved with an important "information design feature" for Westjet since 1999. Unfortunately, it doesn't generate much profit (hence why I work at a big box home reno retail centre...I HATE orange...LOL)...but every passenger gets to see what I do...if they open their seatback pockets...there is over 100 examples in each plane...

Voodoo...FYI... I was the one who did the photo manipulation in the Modified Aircraft Photos website...

Just thought I would toot my own horn....

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Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:22 am

Feel free to toot that horn. Excellent work Rik.
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WJA73G
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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:20 am

just to clear things up...

737-6CT= Live TV, Winglets
737-7CT= Live TV, Winglets
737-8CT= Live TV, Winglets

They will all be common, They will all have Leather Seats with 32-34" legroom with LiveTV and Winglets...
 
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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:53 am

I think Whitehorse would work in the summer. Ussually in winter we have 1 zip 732 (this winter an AC A319) and 1 Air North 732 from YVR, and in summer Air North keeps the daily 732 service and Air Canada increased to 2 flights daily (this summer was 2 zip 732s), so if AC kept 1 flt a day instead of 2 I think there is plenty of room for Westjet to run a daily 736 from about may to about september. Although I would just as soon see Air Canada keep the 2 flts, as they need the business.


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Goose
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RE: Westjet Buys More Boeing 737

Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:58 pm

I think Whitehorse would work in the summer. Ussually in winter we have 1 zip 732 (this winter an AC A319) and 1 Air North 732 from YVR, and in summer Air North keeps the daily 732 service and Air Canada increased to 2 flights daily (this summer was 2 zip 732s), so if AC kept 1 flt a day instead of 2 I think there is plenty of room for Westjet to run a daily 736 from about may to about september. Although I would just as soon see Air Canada keep the 2 flts, as they need the business.

While a summer run might work, I don't think the Limited Additions (like when WS flew to YBR, etc.) are a continuing part of WestJet's business plan. They simply make more money allocating those resources that would go to Limited Additions to their charter operations, which will likely continue to grow again next season.

They also distance themselves from anybody who may lament the fact that WS only offers service to YZF from May-October and not year 'round. WestJet doesn't really want that sort of "negative" press.

If and when YZF becomes a WestJet destination, it probably will be a permanent addition. I heard that it's been seriously discussed before. It would also make sense as an extension of the 2x-daily (or whatever it is) flights that go from YYC-YEG-YMM or the YYC-YEG-YQU flights.
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