New AirTran Service

Flyer732 · Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:30 pm

Several new services for the remainder of this year have been announced today...

Starting November 4,
ATL-FPO goes to two roundtrips per day from ATL.
ATL-MIA goes to 4 roundtrips (usualy fewer in the fall)
BMI-MCO goes from Saturday only to daily.
BWI-RSW from one to two roundtrips.
LGA-PHF going from one to three roundtrips.
MKE-MCO returns to one daily roundtrip.
PIT-MCO going from one to two roundtrips.
ROC-FLL new service 1 roundtrip per day.
ROC-TPA new service. 1 Roundtrip per day.

November 6th,
FNT-FLL saturday only nonstop returns.

November 20th,
ICT-MCO Saturday only 1 roundtrip.
MKE-RSW Saturday only 1 roundtrip.

December 7th,
DFW-FLL one daily roundtrip.
PHL-PBI return of seasonal 1 roundtrip.
PHL-RSW return of seasonal 1 roundtrip.

December 17th,
DAY-TPA new service, one daily roundtrip.
FNT-TPA new service, one daily roundtrip.

January 10th,
DAY-FLL new service, one daily roundtrip.

Thats about all of them for now...lots of point to point, as was expected.

ERJ170 · Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:55 pm

I tell ya, AirTran just has no plans for RDU. Oh well..

quickmover · Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:27 pm

Wow. That's more new service at one time than they have ever announced. Looks like Florida gets the majority of the new flights. Especially TPA.

zrb2 · Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:20 pm

Those non-stoppers to Florida are great news for ROC! Just a few more dots are now connected in the grand scheme of the airline world. The days of ROC area travelers flying out of Buffalo are pretty much over.

DCA-ROCguy · Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:27 pm

Wow....*both* FLL and TPA out of ROC. If FL keeps all current dailies at ROC, that means *nine* dailies by Christmas. They're not up on reservations yet but the press release gives schedules for both. JetBlue won't be happy, because they've said they want to offer ROC-Florida nonstops once the EMB-190's arrive. AirTran's beating them to the punch. These flights are long overdue; Northeastern cities the size of the Upstate markets should easily support more Florida nonstops than just the one daily to MCO (or SFB in SYR's case).

On top of Southwest's BUF-TPA plans, this has been a good week for Upstate. If TMA did as well with their SYR-FLL nonstops last winter as our Syracusians say, that one will probably come back as well.

Jim

Kohflot · Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:43 pm

I hope this finally leads them to do something with the route map on the website. It's already nearly unusable.. adding more lines is going to make it impossible.

Do any of you Citrus employees have an internal communication tool to suggest something along these lines?

[Edited 2004-08-04 16:49:56]

ERJ170 · Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:46 pm

Here here.. I think it should be interactive like HP or WN.

scottysair · Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:54 pm

I can tell you, Ryan and those are very good news for FL and make expansion more new service from FLL-ROC, FNT & DAY. This is the first time for new flight to ROC & DAY. I know NW is already service with Saturday only flight to FNT. This is good example need to make more flight out of FLL. It is make boost up for during with the winter flight.

blhp68 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:19 am

So Dayton and Rochester get N/S to FLL but, apparently MCI can not support that route. It still baffles me that no carrier is willing to pick up MCI to either MIA or FLL. Can anyone explain the logic here?

AirplanePeanut · Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:27 am

Finally, ROC has more Florida Routes! Bye-Bye BUF

AirplanePeanut

Skyway1 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:30 am

The new DAY flights should be supported quite well with people travelling from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Columbus, and Eastern Indiana. Delta is the largest carrier here right now.....many of their pax come up from Cincinnati(cause the fares out of Cincy are excessive). Between FL and DL there are 13 flights a day to ATL. So......I'm sure these new flights will do quite well.

Chris

Nuts

[Edited 2004-08-04 17:33:08]

petazulu · Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:36 am

What is FNT? Nothing comes up on the mousy tooltip.

scottysair · Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:36 am

I can tell you, Blhp68 and NJ is already files out of FLL-MCI before from 2 years ago and went out of the business with Vanguard on their flight to FLL before. It is make good supports on their service to FLL before.

DAYGS · Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:37 am

Absolutely...the DAY flights should do awesome. Especially with Winter coming and no low-fare competition in CVG. CMH has good fares, but the drive is a bit much from both CVG and DAY.

desertjets · Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:43 am

FNT = Flint, Michigan.

Hell if this winter is as bad as the last years... those flights from Upstate NY will be pretty damn full going down to Florida.

blhp68 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:46 am

ScottysAir,

From what I have heard FLL and DEN were NJ's most profitable routes. My only guess is that the yield is bad from MCI, which is why there is no service. So maybe if the economy wasnt so bad then we might see more N/S from MCI to southern Florida.

quickmover · Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:10 am

I believe this is only the beginning of some pretty big expansion. Most of the deliverys right now are replacing rjs and Ryan 320s. I think there is a net addition to the fleet of 5 or 6 jets by year end. Next year they are taking on at least 6 more 717s and 12 or 13 737s with no replacements. You will be seeing alot of these new service announcements next year.

D950 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:16 am

They have had very early discussions with the town of Islip about perhaps 1-2 ISP-DFW flights. Could a 717 do this , or would they need the 73NG??
I was @ ISP today for the SW reminal opening, and there are several gates open as of today.

quickmover · Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:19 am

I think a 717 could do it. They already fly DFW-BWI.

D950 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:23 am

I hope so, I want to get on one, and I usually end up on UAL through DEN or IAD, tha range is the question. I remember B6 told me they chose the E190 over the 717 strictly because of range.

quickmover · Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:26 am

Just checked the timetables and DFW-LGA is 1378 miles, so yes a 717 could make it, but it would be on outer boundry. Looks like 13 nonstops on AA and 3 on DL. If the slots and gates were available, I would think they would make more money at LGA.

MSYtristar · Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:39 am

This isn't earth-shattering news by any means, but FL started its 5th ATL-MSY nonstop a month early. The inagural flight was yesterday. I'd like to see them add a nonstop to BWI eventually as WN only offers one.

quickmover · Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:42 am

There are supposed to be 2 more 737-700s delivered this month. Any word on the delivery dates?

D950 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:42 am

Quickmover, I think that is why they may try ISP, there is a market here, SW does not do Dallas from here without 115 stops.

elwood64151 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:33 am

From what I have heard FLL and DEN were NJ's most profitable routes. My only guess is that the yield is bad from MCI, which is why there is no service. So maybe if the economy wasnt so bad then we might see more N/S from MCI to southern Florida.

Two things:

1) The economy is doing just fine, thank you. 3.2% growth is much better than what we were experiencing at the end of the Clinton Administration, and is some of the best growth we've seen since. I think the worst thing our economy suffers from right now is high fuel prices.

2) Yields to Florida are constantly low. Florida is a tourist destination with tourist fares. Yields from MCI were just fine under NJ. Good enough, in fact, to see 3x daily in the August, 2002 schedule (that never happened).

I think FL could make money on MCI-Florida n/s routes, 2x daily to MCO and FLL. They just see better opportunities elsewhere, just like PHL.

They have had very early discussions with the town of Islip about perhaps 1-2 ISP-DFW flights. Could a 717 do this , or would they need the 73NG??

The distance between Dallas, TX and Islip, NY is 1,409 miles (2,268 km).

I don't think FL has any HGW 717s. Since this is on the extreme limit of the 717's range, I think this would have to be 73Gs...

[Edited 2004-08-04 19:37:52]

rumorboy · Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:06 am

All of Airtrans 717's are the HGW(121,000 pounds)BUT they do not have the larger fuel tanks that the HGW come with. Airtrans 717s fuel capacity is 24,609 pounds vs the 29,000 pounds on the HGW version.

toltommy · Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:07 am

Nothing new at CAK? Too bad... I was hoping for a 3rd CAK-BOS flight.

flyinryan99 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:16 am

I thought the same thing Tommy. I was expecting an outside chance at maybe CAK - DFW twice daily or something. I would think something to the west for FL would do them well.

Ryan

quickmover · Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:07 am

Florida starts to pick up around when these flights start. They are probably trying to take advantage of that. I bet that before year end, when the spring schedules are announced, we will see more DFW flying and more east west flying. Of course, if a carrier goes out of business or pulls a hub somewhere, schedules could change quickly.

fightingdingo · Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:23 am

Maybe Air Tran could come to SLE or HIO.

GroundStop · Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:42 am

"There are supposed to be 2 more 737-700s delivered this month. Any word on the delivery dates?"

Indeed. Ship 302 should be coming on or around 8/16. 303 on or around 9/7 and 304 on or around 9/17. Also, we have a new 717 being delivered today. Ship 742 (N892AT) is scheduled to fly LGB-MCO this afternoon. Ship 743 should be coming in mid-October.

JP

scottysair · Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:54 am

James,

I found it with their flight tracker on FL and it was B717-200 with nonstop flight and why could not make with one-stop with refuel. Here it is:

Airline Airtran Airways
Flight Number 8742
Departure City (Airport) Long Beach, CA (LGB)
Departure Time 08/04/2004 12:44 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Orlando, FL (MCO)
Arrival Time 08/04/2004 08:14 PM
Remaining Flight Time 04:21
Aircraft Type Boeing 717-200
Current Altitude 37,000 feet
Current Groundspeed 252 mph
Flight Status In Flight

Regards

Kohflot · Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:59 am

Is 742 the first new-paint 717?

Edit: Answered my own question.....

[Edited 2004-08-04 22:06:43]

srbmod · Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:00 am

The 717 deliveries are just about always nonstop, as the only people on board are the pilots, and with a full tank and an empty a/c, you have greater range on the a/c. AirTran's been doing these nonstop delivery flights ever since the second 717 delivery back in September 1999.

[Edited 2004-08-04 22:01:28]

quickmover · Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:23 am

Groundstop,

I thought I read somewhere that 2 737s were coming in Aug. or was it Oct.?

thanks

quickmover

aviatortj · Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:16 am

I am surprised at no announcement for new MSP service. I know that FL has been looking at adding flights. MKE-RSW gives me hope that eventually there could be a MSP-RSW.

I fly to Ft. Myers every six months or so. Hopefully FL will be able to take advantage even more once that new terminal opens. Big thumbs up

skibum9 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:14 am

FBOWeb is showing 742, filed as flight 8742, going from LGB to MCO, which is about 2,200 nm. The above note says that FL's are HGW's but have the tanks of the BGW. The BGW only has a range of 1,430 and the HGW has a range of 2,060. So either they put ferry tanks in her or FL's 717s are HGW all the way. Does anyone know which is the case?

njdevilsin03 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:56 am

Out of all the new flights anyone want to take guesses as to which will be 73G'S and which will be 717's?

wedgetail737 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:05 am

Flyer732:

Are you sure FL is planning the ICT-MCO route in November? The press release in Yahoo Biz didn't include that nonstop. It would be wonderful, though. I think they should try ICT-LAS sometime.

lat41 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:51 am

I sure wish they would challenge DL on the PVD ATL route. DL operates 5 daily flights and in Winter mostly 757-200s, even 767-300s at peak times. They charge almost $600 for a business traveler's unrestricted fare vs. $212 @ BOS and the high 2s at both BDL and MHT. Time for an alternative as these flights are almost always jammin' mon!. Not sure where a spot could be had at PVD though.

BR715-A1-30 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:49 am

I see they aren't proposing any service from GPT to Beau Rivage. Doesn't Mirage Resorts think that a GPT-LAS, LAS-GPT would be a good route. It would be FULL of passengers travelling from Casino to Casino. They could use the 737 for that route. Any new GPT news coming?

MAH4546 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:54 am

This is great news for Ft. Lauderdale. The Dayton and Rochester service represent new non-stop service routes (even though American Eagle will be launching Miami-Dayton this winter too). It is about time somebody exploits the huge market between South Florida and New York state (not just City)!

So Dayton and Rochester get N/S to FLL but, apparently MCI can not support that route. It still baffles me that no carrier is willing to pick up MCI to either MIA or FLL. Can anyone explain the logic here?

I can tell you that MIA-MCI is strongly being considered for a launch by AA this winter. It would be a daily MD80.

blhp68 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:40 pm

Thanks for the info Mah, I know you have been calling this route for a while. Hopefully, this one becomes a reality this winter.

FL1TPA · Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:24 pm

It's about time TPA service increased; even if it isn't until Dec. This summer is very lean for TPA. We are at 13 departures daily as of Aug. 01. Just 2 summers ago we were at 23 departures! Hopefully we can call back all our furloughed crew members and maybe add more.

Tim.

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Flyer732 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:02 pm

Wedgetail737,

Those flights I posted were out of our company daily FYI.

Although when I try to load the flight on that date, it doesnt have the route....so who knows.

kbuf737 · Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:47 pm

Boy AirTran really does not like expanding its routes in cities where WN has a strong presence. As discussed yesterday on my WN expanding in BUF post, the BUF-FLL market is still unserved. It is a great opportunity for FL to expand there, however they seem to be content with the 3x to ATL out of BUF. They are well liked in BUF, however if they become a little more aggressive and open up a non stop to FLL it would show that they really want to compete with WN and B6 here.

quickmover · Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:26 pm

Is FL becoming crampt gate wise in MCO and FLL with these new flights?

Skyway1 · Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:10 am

Oh wow.....MIA-DAY on American Eagle....hadn't heard that one yet. Hopefully Worldwide Flight Service will hire some more people here soon. You should have heard the few employees they had working last Sunday during the shutdown....boy it sounded like serious self-destruction and civil war. Nothing like standing in your own ops and hearing the people next door screaming through the wall!!!! Nuts

Chris

collegestud · Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:20 am

Greatd to see more flight service from ROC to FLL and TPA. Buffalo traveller maybe go over to ROC. No more worried. ROC will pick up more traveller.

upsmd11 · Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:06 am

My usual plea to have more SDF service would fit in here with ease. Our service to ATL is DL only and our only LCC is WN. Not too bad here but could always use more I think.

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