medinaj
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A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europe

Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:44 am

I'll be meeting my parents in Europe in a couple of weeks. I will be flying from the US and they will fly from Venezuela on an Air Portugal A310.

I didn't think the A310 had such a long range (what is this, a 11-12 hour flight?). Also, I was wondering what the flight path would be for their flight (CCS-LIS). Does it fly straight across over the ocean towards Africa and then up? or up to northern Canada and then east? What about other routes such as CCS-LHR or CCS-CDG?

Any help is appreciated.

PS: I'm flying an AA 777 (which I'm very excited about, since it's the first time I fly a 777 on a transatlantic flight). What would the flight path be on this flight (MIA-LHR)

Thanks!
 
miaskies
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RE: A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europe

Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:54 am

Don't quote me, but I belive the CCS flight path takes them over the atlantic over the Azores and the Canary Islands into Portugal/Spain. In my opinion it would make no sense to fly all the way up to the U.S., Canada and then turn over Greenland to Europe...it seems to me this would make the flight alot longer. For example, the IB A343/A346 flight from SJU to MAD goes over the Atlantic, Azores, Canary Islands and into Spain. Considering SJU and CCS are not that far from each other, it would seem to me the flight path would be quite similiar.

As far as MIA-LHR, I have flown MIA-CDG on AA B763ER and the flight path goes over Canada into Greenland then over the British coast and into France. It would seem to me that the AA 777 route would be the same as well.

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LVZXV
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RE: A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europe

Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:25 am

CCS-LIS is not far at all. The A310-300's range is about 8,000km (5,000nm), and TP employ the aircraft on the LIS-SSA route as well. From CCS to LIS must be 8 hours at most--the 11-12 hours flights are more like EZE-MAD.
I'd imagine the routing between CCS and LIS is fairly direct. Unlike the North Atlantic routes, little time is saved by a parabollic flight-path between a city just north of the Equator and a city at around latitude 40N.

As for the 777, it's beautiful, powerful beast. Try and sit on the wing if you can to feel the power of those enormous engines.

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medinaj
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RE: A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europe

Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:47 am

Thanks for the replies guys!

What about ETOPS? From looking at my world map (and I know it's not the most accurate way to look at this) it sure seems like there's a lot of water between CCS and the Azores!

MIASkies: I know!! I've flown the AA 777 from MIA to DFW and it is quite cool!! Is the international version configured any differently?? I'm flying back on an AA763 MAD-MIA (flight 69 on 9/15/04) Do you think this will be one of the new 777-style interior 767s?

XV: I have 42J and H. So I guess I'll be towards the back of the plane, but I'll enjoy it anyway!!

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RE: A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europ

Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:54 am

Having done a couple of CCS-Europe flights. You are all right, the flights are very direct, the flights kinda go up to the Canary islands and then to whereever in Europe. The get around Norwestern Afrrica
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timz
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RE: A310 Range South America-Europe

Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:35 am

"What about ETOPS?"

Yeah, looking at http://gc.kls2.com they'd need 180-minute ETOPS to fly direct.

 
Arcano
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RE: A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europe

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:08 am

The route:



CCS and LIS are 6500 kms away, so the flight should take about 6-7 hours. As you can see in the map, Canary Islands have nothing to with this path. I've flown over there in MAD-SCL route, so I don't think they do it also for CCS. As said, ETOPS shown is 180 minutes

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LVZXV
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RE: A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europe

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:18 am

"What about ETOPS?"

There may be a lot of water between Venezuela and the Azores, but at no point along the way is the aircraft even pushing the 180-minute ETOPS limit. A while ago, I suggested that CM could theoretically fly PTY-MAD with the 737-NGs, stopping in the Cabo Verde Islands. The "pond" is not as big as it seems, and bear in mind that north of the Equator, you have numerous archipelagos and plenty of airfields.
I think RO still flies their A313s from Bucharest to JFK, with plenty of reserves.

MIASkies:

The 777 you flew between MIA and DFW was most definitely an international one flying a short, high density route. My first flight on a 777 was on a BA 777-200ER between CDG and LHR, 7 years ago. The plane was fully kitted-out to fly long-haul. No single 777 is permanently assigned to such short routes.

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medinaj
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RE: A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europe

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:34 am

Thanks everybody for their replies!

Hmm, that's interesting. I had no idea that on such a route, a twin engine aircraft would not even push the 180-min ETOPS.

As you can probably tell, I'm no aviation expert, so it's surprising for me to think that CCS-LIS can be a 6-7 hrs flight, when MIA-SEA (a flight I do quite frequently on business) is 6 1/2.

I'll tell you later about AA European service!

Thanks again