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Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:05 am

Mega-Chek Lap Kok-rival, the new Baiyun International Airport: Guangzhou Airport opened with a China Southern 752 departure. Less than 60 miles away from HKG, it poses a great threat to Ckek Lap Kok Int'l. Here's the link. http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-08-05-honkong-airport_x.htm

- UPS has already said it will serve the airport.
- The city of Guangzhou has more than 1/3rd of all China exports originating there. Chek Lap Kok currently serves the roll of flying it out, but now it looks as if Guangzhou will be the primary airport for this cargo operations.

How do you feel about this new airport and the future of Chek Lap Kok as a major cargo hub?
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The777Man
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:42 am

I think it's great that CAN has a new airport because the old one was very old not very passenger friendly.

I think HKG could lose a lot of cargo business. We'll see what happens.

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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:09 am

Well, it's the biggest airport in China, but I wasn't able to locate an official web site. Could someone please provide it  Smile.

How long does it take to go from Hong Kong Island to the new Guangzhou airport approximately. It surely can't beat the 23 minutes on the Airport Express to Chek Lap Kok.
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:13 am

I think the distance by train is about four hours currently but about 30 mins by plane. I don't think anyone is saying that HKG will lose a lot of passengers to CAN; they will probably lose cargo business. Most cargo from HKG actually comes from China and from factories in Guangdong province so it will be closer for them and less expensive to fly their goods out of CAN than HKG.

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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:45 am

But will the Chinese ever be as efficient as their counterpart in Hong Kong.?
Most Chinese airports are far below in terms of productivity when compared to the ex-British colony.
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:10 am

Sadly this is another nail in the coffin of HK, at least as far as the air cargo business is concerned. It takes an extra 1-2 days to freight goods from guandong to HK and then forward to the UK or anywhere else. When things are urgent this is a no-brainer. If you have been to Shanghai's Pudong then you will know that modern Chinese airports are very efficient.
Running costs and a price war on freight will determine the winner - once again given HK costs this is once again a no brainer. Very sad for HK but who would want to fly to Guangzhou for a weekend before a week of business in china? HK will always win with the passengers I think!
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:48 am

i been to the new pudong airport many times. No doubt all the hardward is there but it's the people that counts.
But I do agree that the time saving involved in transporting to HK airport maybe enough to overcome any other cost.
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:36 am

Does anyone know what will happen to Baiyun International Airport?

So the new airport is called New Baiyun International Airport. If the old one is kept, will they keep the name Baiyun International Airport? It'll be confusing to differentiate the two...

Also, what is the airport code for the new airport?

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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:44 pm

The freight in Hong Kong is just going up and up, they are now extending the freighter bays for the 2nd time and the new DHL express center is due to open next week.... Problem is their target volume for 2008 has already been reached!!

As for Guangzhou, there are many things to think about. Will this take some business passengers from Hong Kong.... YES. Will it take some cargo from Hong Kong, well when all the freight carriers that fly here fly there then maybe YES.

China's biggest problem is the education of the millions of people. You visit Guangzhou and find THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people just sitting about smoking doing nothing, I'm sure many of these will find the new airport a good place to hang about. Not to mention all the beggars........

Sorry but as much as I love Hong Kong, China is a different story. They are going to take Years and years before their standards can equal that of Hong Kong an the likes of Europe and the USA. For this reason many people will continue to use Hong Kong as a gateway to China.
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:52 pm

The old Guangzhou airport will be kept as a back-up airport.

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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:24 pm

Visited the old Guangzhou airport a few weeks ago, and I can see why they need a new airport. Dirty, crowded, and confusing to get around. Low rise apartments overlook the taxiway/runway (boy must they get a good view though!!).

Seems like a nice place to spot though, will all those nice shots on A.net.

Here is an overview of the new airport:


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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:34 pm

I would like to seek the thoughts of those familiar with the privatisation of HKIA. Is there a timetable for this, what are the key issues (pro- and/or against privatisation)?

Many thanks.

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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:42 pm

How will the new airport be for photography; I know it's big and glassy, like HKG and ICN, but will they allow it? Great if they do, otherwise I'll fly somewhere else?

(While I think of it, how are PVG and PEK's new terminal for photos? Presumably the Chinese are used to people taking photos of aircraft now?!)
 
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:05 pm

Chineese airports are state of the art projects, no doubt about that!

I went to Shanghai - Pudong Airport (PVG) in March with Finnair from Helsinki and was impressed by the buildings.

However, I was not impressed by the effectivity of the immigration and customs there. It took us 2.5 hours to get from check-in to gate, and the final passport-check was a nightmare alone with massive que that took 1 hour alone (poor old people with weak legs).

Hope they will improve theese things in the future!
 
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:37 pm

Air France 106 was the first international flight into Baiyun on August 6, flying an A330-200:

http://www.airfrance.com/double6/Y1/infogles.nsf/(LookupPublishedWeb)/fr-NLPRL-040806baiyun?OpenDocument

The press release is in French - even though airfrance.com does have an English site, this press release was not available in English!

Including the China Southern flights, Air France has 11 return flights per week to Guangzhou!

 
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:42 pm

Hong Kong is the world's largest logistics centre. Both cargo and passenger volumes are growing, even today. CAN is not in a position and will not threaten HKG as an International hub. This was confirmed by the governor of Guangdong province.

HKG deals with a LOT more passengers. Besides HKG is a much more capable and expensive airport.
 
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:51 pm

I think N754PR hits the nail on the head. The population's general education level really makes a difference. For producing goods it's not really an issue, but for business and trade a skilled workforce is very important.
I've been to Guangzhou last year and it's VERY different from Hong Kong. Lots of beggars, people sitting around doing nothing, it's dirty, ugly... Basically a simple lack of quality, because everything was built so quickly (buildings/infrastructure). So far, what I have noticed, China is still a "quantity-over-quality" country.

It seems to me that Guangzhou and Hong Kong 'serve different markets'. Guangzhou produces, Hong Kong does the business (where a higher education level (like language, economics) is a needed and where the money is made). So as a business 'centre' Guangzhou still has a long way to go. (I think Shanghai is doing much better when it comes to attracting 'business') The sheer size of Guangzhou does justify a large airport (for domestic traffic), although I doubt that it'll be able to compete with a high quality airport like Hong Kong CLK.

Guangzhou airport could potentially have a great opportunity for cargo operations, however they lack skilled freight forwarders and logistic operations in China. I heard from a friend working for a forwarder, that basically only cargo from Hong Kong and Shanghai have properly filled in paperwork. Freight from any other mainland-China origin is dreaded, because it takes a lot of extra work to fill in the blanks/straighten things out. Of course this is something that can be solved by education of the local population, but it takes some time.

PS, on a side note: The old Baiyun airport was a fantastic spotting location!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Now Open: New Baiyun Guangzhou Int'l Airport

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:19 pm

Less than 60 miles away from HKG, it poses a great threat to Ckek Lap Kok Int'l.

I don't think the even old CAN is only 60 miles away from HKG, let alone the new CAN, which is northwest of the old CAN. It's more like 200km. But let's not be fooled by the distance. From Guangzhou to Hong Kong, you have to clear custom/Immigration TWICE, and that's where most of the time is spent.

I don't think it'll pose a "great threat" to HKG. In my opinion, CAN should not be the one HKG needs to worry about, but PVG. And if one day the Taiwanese airlines were permitted to fly to the mainland non-stop, or the other way around, then HKG would be gravely concerned.

China is still a "quantity-over-quality" country.
That, perhaps will not change in a long while. While 'quality" might attract more foreign "elites" that appreciate quality, business is business. If HKG loses its business advantage, HKG will go down with it no matter how high its "quality" may be.

CAN is not in a position and will not threaten HKG as an International hub. This was confirmed by the governor of Guangdong province.
Yeah, like his words are worth something. Like I said, HKG should worry more about PVG, as opposed to CAN.

China's biggest problem is the education of the millions of people. You visit Guangzhou and find THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people just sitting about smoking doing nothing, I'm sure many of these will find the new airport a good place to hang about. Not to mention all the beggars........
Very true but this topic gets a little political thus not discussed further.

Sorry but as much as I love Hong Kong, China is a different story. They are going to take Years and years before their standards can equal that of Hong Kong an the likes of Europe and the USA. For this reason many people will continue to use Hong Kong as a gateway to China.

Let face it, HK is rich and China is poor. But I'm having trouble relate a "gateway" to being rich. It's all about conveniences. If you arrive at CAN/PVG/PEK, you are in; otherwise at HKG, you are still out.

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